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Lone Striker
5 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

The white Christian nationalists love Trump.  Many of them think he has been appointed by God. 

Watch for America to become even more overtly Christian in the short term with, for example, the Ten Commandments posted in every classroom, creationism being added to the school curriculum, and evolution removed. Some states will be more blatant than others.

 

The fact that Trump's whole life and multiple misdemeanours represent the polar  opposite of God's teachings through Jesus doesn't seem to have registered with them.

 

Amazingly effective campaign strategy to promote the "Trump Bible" - basically a financial scam that enabled him to pocket 300k dollars - while providing the ultimate evidence of the gullibility of  thousands of his supporters.

 

Until recently he was inviting his supporters to "pray with Trump" events (for a substantial fee). 

 

 

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Dirty Deeds
2 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

 

The fact that Trump's whole life and multiple misdemeanours represent the polar  opposite of God's teachings through Jesus doesn't seem to have registered with them.

 

Amazingly effective campaign strategy to promote the "Trump Bible" - basically a financial scam that enabled him to pocket 300k dollars - while providing the ultimate evidence of the gullibility of  thousands of his supporters.

 

Until recently he was inviting his supporters to "pray with Trump" events (for a substantial fee). 

 

 

He's unique in that his actions appear to have no personal consequences.

 

Every extreme group thinks they can use him for their agenda and don't actually blame him when he doesn't deliver.

 

Maybe he is god!

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Lone Striker
8 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said:

He's unique in that his actions appear to have no personal consequences.

 

Every extreme group thinks they can use him for their agenda and don't actually blame him when he doesn't deliver.

 

Maybe he is god!

😃  Does that mean this freaky looking lad  in the middle is Jesus  then ?

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Dirty Deeds
2 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

😃  Does that mean this freaky looking lad  in the middle is Jesus  then ?

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Maybe but that's no virgin on the left.

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3 hours ago, Dirty Deeds said:

They voted for a racist, financially corrupt sexual pest (plus his other well documented flaws) because he represents their values.

 

 

Yes, but that's not what he campaigned as.  Mind you, it would have been an honest description of himself, which would have been good.

 

 

2 hours ago, unknownuser said:

 

He said he'd be a dictator on day 1, that people wouldn't have to vote again, it would be fixed.

 

 

Yes, but he won't.  Other people might do that for him, but he won't, because that involves the two things he hates most and is worst at - thinking stuff and doing things.

 

 

Instead, what he'll actually do is:

 

3 hours ago, Ulysses said:

 

suck up to Putin, play golf, watch TV, tweet like a lunatic and crap himself when he's least expecting it

 

:cheese:  

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Lone Striker
54 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said:

Maybe but that's no virgin on the left.

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Watt-Zeefuik
6 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

What a farce.
Trump would have been convicted of election interference, DoJ report says https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqld79pxeqo

 

Absolutely horrific dithering by Merrick Garland. Once Jack Smith was finally appointed he ran the game well, but it took way, way too long.

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The Real Maroonblood
1 minute ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

Absolutely horrific dithering by Merrick Garland. Once Jack Smith was finally appointed he ran the game well, but it took way, way too long.

I really find the whole thing disgusting.

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Watt-Zeefuik

Hegseth's confirmation hearing is right now, and he's busy explaining to Tammy Duckworth, who lost both her legs flying a Black Hawk helicopter in Iraq, that women shouldn't serve in combat roles.

 

And he's talking over Senators to explain how he has the temperament to be SecDef.

 

What a ****ing disgrace of a person.

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The Real Maroonblood
8 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

Hegseth's confirmation hearing is right now, and he's busy explaining to Tammy Duckworth, who lost both her legs flying a Black Hawk helicopter in Iraq, that women shouldn't serve in combat roles.

 

And he's talking over Senators to explain how he has the temperament to be SecDef.

 

What a ****ing disgrace of a person.

He seems well suited for the Trump administration.

A scrote.

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Jacques de Gatineau
53 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

He seems well suited for the Trump administration.

A scrote.

Looks like an extra from the original Wall Street film.

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Footballfirst
4 hours ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

Hegseth's confirmation hearing is right now, and he's busy explaining to Tammy Duckworth, who lost both her legs flying a Black Hawk helicopter in Iraq, that women shouldn't serve in combat roles.

 

And he's talking over Senators to explain how he has the temperament to be SecDef.

 

What a ****ing disgrace of a person.

A couple of his responses from the hearing.

 

Republican Senator Jim Banks asks if he will reinstate and give back-pay to people who were fired from the military for not adhering to Covid guidance such as getting vaccinated.

Hegseth says they will be reinstated, get an apology, back-pay and rank because they were forced out due to an "experimental vaccine", saying Trump has also said he supports such a move.

 

Hegseth has referenced his Christian faith a number of times, and when addressing questions about his personal conduct he says he is not a perfect person but has been "saved by the grace of God, by Jesus and Jenny" - the latter being a reference to his wife.

He says redemption is real.

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1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

A couple of his responses from the hearing.

 

Republican Senator Jim Banks asks if he will reinstate and give back-pay to people who were fired from the military for not adhering to Covid guidance such as getting vaccinated.

Hegseth says they will be reinstated, get an apology, back-pay and rank because they were forced out due to an "experimental vaccine", saying Trump has also said he supports such a move.

 

Hegseth has referenced his Christian faith a number of times, and when addressing questions about his personal conduct he says he is not a perfect person but has been "saved by the grace of God, by Jesus and Jenny" - the latter being a reference to his wife.

He says redemption is real.

 

I like that. "Jesus and Jenny Christ! Dundee have taken the lead 😡"

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There's just no awareness in this thread.

You can rip me to **** but the reason it's swung to the right imo is you lot accept shit from what laughingly is called the left.

I hold this thread in utter contempt.

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Jacques de Gatineau
1 minute ago, Ked said:

There's just no awareness in this thread.

You can rip me to **** but the reason it's swung to the right imo is you lot accept shit from what laughingly is called the left.

I hold this thread in utter contempt.

I don't agree with everything you say, but you're spot on here, Ked.

 

People make space for politicians like Trump because they disrespect those who may have different worldviews. The resentment starts small, but it snowballs into what we have now.

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Watt-Zeefuik
1 minute ago, Ally said:

I don't agree with everything you say, but you're spot on here, Ked.

 

People make space for politicians like Trump because they disrespect those who may have different worldviews. The resentment starts small, but it snowballs into what we have now.

 

What exactly has been posted since Ked's last missive of sneering disapproval do you find particularly out of touch or unaware?

 

The mocking of the Trump Bible?

The discussion of Smith's report?

The Hegseth confirmation hearings?

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3 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

What exactly has been posted since Ked's last missive of sneering disapproval do you find particularly out of touch or unaware?

 

The mocking of the Trump Bible?

The discussion of Smith's report?

The Hegseth confirmation hearings?

There was a time I had time for you.

But there is little deep thoughts beyond a "Young ones " political outlook that you post on this thread.

 

You think I support trump because I call out the lazy shit on here.

 

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Jacques de Gatineau
4 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

What exactly has been posted since Ked's last missive of sneering disapproval do you find particularly out of touch or unaware?

 

The mocking of the Trump Bible?

The discussion of Smith's report?

The Hegseth confirmation hearings?

I'm referring to the bigger picture, my friend.

 

While the Democrats tilt away at windmills, the Republicans blow them up, whether they are there or not. I respect that you're involved in it, so are likely to have a different view. But there are 70+ million Kedlike voices in the States that felt Trump was the better option, and I think it's too easy to say they are all thick racists.

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8 minutes ago, Ally said:

I don't agree with everything you say, but you're spot on here, Ked.

 

People make space for politicians like Trump because they disrespect those who may have different worldviews. The resentment starts small, but it snowballs into what we have now.

I've had my views altered from good posters on here.

Won't name them as they don't like me.

But I refuse to buy into the current **** up.

We have now arguments and folk despising each other on here about absolutely **** all politically .

We have so called socially conscious sticking up for basically what we would regard as racist Tories.

 

**** with that and you're a thick racist.

Dare call out anything no matter how reprehensible and it t goes against them.

Well .....

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2 minutes ago, Ally said:

I'm referring to the bigger picture, my friend.

 

While the Democrats tilt away at windmills, the Republicans blow them up, whether they are there or not. I respect that you're involved in it, so are likely to have a different view. But there are 70+ million Kedlike voices in the States that felt Trump was the better option, and I think it's too easy to say they are all thick racists.

He thinks he sees it .

But excuses murder hegemony as long as it has the right label

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Jacques de Gatineau
3 minutes ago, Ked said:

I've had my views altered from good posters on here.

 

That's the key. Keep an open mind and accept that other folk see things differently. The contempt shown by the likes of WZ for those who don't adhere to their perspective doesn't help. Of course, it works both ways, but you can't claim the moral high ground if you spend too much time digging.

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JamboRaider
18 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

What exactly has been posted since Ked's last missive of sneering disapproval do you find particularly out of touch or unaware?

 

The mocking of the Trump Bible?

The discussion of Smith's report?

The Hegseth confirmation hearings?

Coach K does not approve.

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JamboRaider
12 minutes ago, Ally said:

That's the key. Keep an open mind and accept that other folk see things differently. The contempt shown by the likes of WZ for those who don't adhere to their perspective doesn't help. Of course, it works both ways, but you can't claim the moral high ground if you spend too much time digging.

Well said.

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Watt-Zeefuik
2 minutes ago, Ked said:

There was a time I had time for you.

But there is little deep thoughts beyond a "Young ones " political outlook that you post on this thread.

 

You think I support trump because I call out the lazy shit on here.

 

 

Mate I used to think you were worth having a conversation with. And for a while it felt like we could have a decent back and forth. But in this thread for the past year you've had nothing to say except to shit on other posters and say we're all missing "the big picture" without having a damn thing to say past that. I tried engaging you on this. You respond by shoving shit in my mouth and telling me I think things I plainly don't.  I frankly don't give a shit whether you personally support Trump or not, quite frankly, as you don't have a vote and this is just jibber jabber on here. But I would far rather you supported Trump and made some decent arguments about why, and actually responded to good faith engagement, than your constant stream of context-free insults and derision and nothing else on here.

 

You don't call out the lazy shit. You don't call out anything specifically. You just complain and insult. Actually calling me out on something I actually posted, referencing the actual text of what I wrote, would be a dramatic improvement that I would welcome.

 

17 minutes ago, Ally said:

I'm referring to the bigger picture, my friend.

 

While the Democrats tilt away at windmills, the Republicans blow them up, whether they are there or not. I respect that you're involved in it, so are likely to have a different view. But there are 70+ million Kedlike voices in the States that felt Trump was the better option, and I think it's too easy to say they are all thick racists.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "involved in it" other than that I live here and the President's decisions affect me and mine directly and personally. Yeah, I canvassed for Harris because the alternative was horrifying.

 

I will say again that as someone who knows actual Trump voters personally I'll take my own ideas on what they think and why they voted for him over Ked's vague insinuations. And for the thousandth time, I don't think they're all "thick racists." For one thing, the worst of the racists are often highly educated and can speak eloquently, and some of them have vault-fulls of disposable cash.

 

In actual engagement with Trump voters post-election, it's plain that a lot of them blame Biden for inflation and think Trump will make it better, and for them that's more important than all the horrible things he's promised to do to vulnerable people (or they think all that's just banter). I think they're thrice catastrophically wrong but for better or worse we're about to find out, at least on the economy and his promised brutality.

 

In terms of what I would like to see Democrats do differently, I have a list so long it'll bore you to tears. (For one, I wish more of them had shown the spine Duckworth did up against Hegseth today, so we can start there.) In terms of what Democrats need to do differently to win in 2026? Very likely absolutely nothing. Trump's "huge" win left him with the smallest Congressional majority of a newly elected President in history and Democrats did surprisingly well down-ballot. The economy is far more likely to get worse not better, and inflation may come roaring back if Trump does his tariffs or his mass deportations. Democrats could very likely roll out the same tired shit that the Congressional party has been doing for years and flip 80 seats in the House and 10 Senate seats.

 

Now, you may think I'm wrong, but see? We can actually talk about this in a detailed and nuanced way! We could mention specifics! We could talk about what the Democrats did and are doing wrong in real life. We could do that instead of pretending everyone who dislikes Trump is some kind of Democratic simp.

 

**** the big picture. The big picture is boring and it's just people talking out their asses and confirming their priors anyway.

 

21 minutes ago, JamboRaider said:

Coach K does not approve.

 

Not sure why you felt the need to bring Ferret Face into this but if it's just an excuse to let me mention his final two losses as humiliating rebuttals to his narcissistic staged farewell tour, then I'm not going to pass it up . . .

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Watt-Zeefuik
32 minutes ago, Ally said:

That's the key. Keep an open mind and accept that other folk see things differently. The contempt shown by the likes of WZ for those who don't adhere to their perspective doesn't help. Of course, it works both ways, but you can't claim the moral high ground if you spend too much time digging.

 

At last check, the contempt I've shown this week has been for Elon Musk, Steve Bannon, Merrick Garland, and Pete Hegseth. If you'd like to tell me which one I'm incorrect to be contemptuous of, I'm happy to listen. Given that one of those is Biden's Attorney General, I'd be interested to know why you think I'm unaware that "it works both ways."

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Jacques de Gatineau
2 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

Mate I used to think you were worth having a conversation with. And for a while it felt like we could have a decent back and forth. But in this thread for the past year you've had nothing to say except to shit on other posters and say we're all missing "the big picture" without having a damn thing to say past that. I tried engaging you on this. You respond by shoving shit in my mouth and telling me I think things I plainly don't.  I frankly don't give a shit whether you personally support Trump or not, quite frankly, as you don't have a vote and this is just jibber jabber on here. But I would far rather you supported Trump and made some decent arguments about why, and actually responded to good faith engagement, than your constant stream of context-free insults and derision and nothing else on here.

 

You don't call out the lazy shit. You don't call out anything specifically. You just complain and insult. Actually calling me out on something I actually posted, referencing the actual text of what I wrote, would be a dramatic improvement that I would welcome.

 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "involved in it" other than that I live here and the President's decisions affect me and mine directly and personally. Yeah, I canvassed for Harris because the alternative was horrifying.

 

I will say again that as someone who knows actual Trump voters personally I'll take my own ideas on what they think and why they voted for him over Ked's vague insinuations. And for the thousandth time, I don't think they're all "thick racists." For one thing, the worst of the racists are often highly educated and can speak eloquently, and some of them have vault-fulls of disposable cash.

 

In actual engagement with Trump voters post-election, it's plain that a lot of them blame Biden for inflation and think Trump will make it better, and for them that's more important than all the horrible things he's promised to do to vulnerable people (or they think all that's just banter). I think they're thrice catastrophically wrong but for better or worse we're about to find out, at least on the economy and his promised brutality.

 

In terms of what I would like to see Democrats do differently, I have a list so long it'll bore you to tears. (For one, I wish more of them had shown the spine Duckworth did up against Hegseth today, so we can start there.) In terms of what Democrats need to do differently to win in 2026? Very likely absolutely nothing. Trump's "huge" win left him with the smallest Congressional majority of a newly elected President in history and Democrats did surprisingly well down-ballot. The economy is far more likely to get worse not better, and inflation may come roaring back if Trump does his tariffs or his mass deportations. Democrats could very likely roll out the same tired shit that the Congressional party has been doing for years and flip 80 seats in the House and 10 Senate seats.

 

Now, you may think I'm wrong, but see? We can actually talk about this in a detailed and nuanced way! We could mention specifics! We could talk about what the Democrats did and are doing wrong in real life. We could do that instead of pretending everyone who dislikes Trump is some kind of Democratic simp.

 

**** the big picture. The big picture is boring and it's just people talking out their asses and confirming their priors anyway.

 

 

Not sure why you felt the need to bring Ferret Face into this but if it's just an excuse to let me mention his final two losses as humiliating rebuttals to his narcissistic staged farewell tour, then I'm not going to pass it up . . .

Apologies, thought you were more involved with the Democrats than that.

 

Ironically, the dozen or so Trump voters I've spoken to since the election are all foreign-born Americans, mostly Filipinas. They seem confident DT will do some good and are happy to not only pull up the drawbridge but also come down hard on illegals already in country. Every demographic has their own goals, I guess.

 

I agree that Trump will likely lose, and lose hard in the mid-term elections unless he has some kind of spectacular series of 'wins'. The reality is that a lot of what occurs is beyond his control anyway, just as it was beyond Biden's. 

 

For all DT's many faults, however, the 2024/5 version of the Republican Party seems to be pulling in the same direction (MAGAwards, for good or bad), while the Democrats still need to define what they are, rather than what they aren't. Or at least that's the way it comes across to this interested outside observer.

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Jacques de Gatineau
3 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

At last check, the contempt I've shown this week has been for Elon Musk, Steve Bannon, Merrick Garland, and Pete Hegseth. If you'd like to tell me which one I'm incorrect to be contemptuous of, I'm happy to listen. Given that one of those is Biden's Attorney General, I'd be interested to know why you think I'm unaware that "it works both ways."

You can show contempt for whomever you so wish. Just don't be surprised when it comes back at you.

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Watt-Zeefuik
3 minutes ago, Ally said:

Apologies, thought you were more involved with the Democrats than that.

 

Ironically, the dozen or so Trump voters I've spoken to since the election are all foreign-born Americans, mostly Filipinas. They seem confident DT will do some good and are happy to not only pull up the drawbridge but also come down hard on illegals already in country. Every demographic has their own goals, I guess.

 

I agree that Trump will likely lose, and lose hard in the mid-term elections unless he has some kind of spectacular series of 'wins'. The reality is that a lot of what occurs is beyond his control anyway, just as it was beyond Biden's. 

 

For all DT's many faults, however, the 2024/5 version of the Republican Party seems to be pulling in the same direction (MAGAwards, for good or bad), while the Democrats still need to define what they are, rather than what they aren't. Or at least that's the way it comes across to this interested outside observer.

 

Predicting the GOP to do badly in 2026 is basically predicting the sun to come up in the morning. The President's party almost always loses seats. If they only lose a few, it's a good year. The thing is that the top of the ticket aside, the GOP didn't have a particularly good 2024. Senate pick-ups in Ohio and Pennsylvania were the only real things of note. The Democrats did pretty well everywhere else, particularly for having a losing Presidential candidate.

 

People are talking about the election like the party got wiped out. Yes, losing to Trump is horrifying and embarrassing in equal measure, and Biden has to take the lion's share of blame for that. But beyond that, it's all about damage control until 2026.

 

5 minutes ago, Ally said:

You can show contempt for whomever you so wish. Just don't be surprised when it comes back at you.

 

I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm nominated for a cabinet position. In the meantime, please stop pretending I don't regularly criticize Democrats on this thread. It kind of pisses me off.

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JamboRaider
19 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

Mate I used to think you were worth having a conversation with. And for a while it felt like we could have a decent back and forth. But in this thread for the past year you've had nothing to say except to shit on other posters and say we're all missing "the big picture" without having a damn thing to say past that. I tried engaging you on this. You respond by shoving shit in my mouth and telling me I think things I plainly don't.  I frankly don't give a shit whether you personally support Trump or not, quite frankly, as you don't have a vote and this is just jibber jabber on here. But I would far rather you supported Trump and made some decent arguments about why, and actually responded to good faith engagement, than your constant stream of context-free insults and derision and nothing else on here.

 

You don't call out the lazy shit. You don't call out anything specifically. You just complain and insult. Actually calling me out on something I actually posted, referencing the actual text of what I wrote, would be a dramatic improvement that I would welcome.

 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "involved in it" other than that I live here and the President's decisions affect me and mine directly and personally. Yeah, I canvassed for Harris because the alternative was horrifying.

 

I will say again that as someone who knows actual Trump voters personally I'll take my own ideas on what they think and why they voted for him over Ked's vague insinuations. And for the thousandth time, I don't think they're all "thick racists." For one thing, the worst of the racists are often highly educated and can speak eloquently, and some of them have vault-fulls of disposable cash.

 

In actual engagement with Trump voters post-election, it's plain that a lot of them blame Biden for inflation and think Trump will make it better, and for them that's more important than all the horrible things he's promised to do to vulnerable people (or they think all that's just banter). I think they're thrice catastrophically wrong but for better or worse we're about to find out, at least on the economy and his promised brutality.

 

In terms of what I would like to see Democrats do differently, I have a list so long it'll bore you to tears. (For one, I wish more of them had shown the spine Duckworth did up against Hegseth today, so we can start there.) In terms of what Democrats need to do differently to win in 2026? Very likely absolutely nothing. Trump's "huge" win left him with the smallest Congressional majority of a newly elected President in history and Democrats did surprisingly well down-ballot. The economy is far more likely to get worse not better, and inflation may come roaring back if Trump does his tariffs or his mass deportations. Democrats could very likely roll out the same tired shit that the Congressional party has been doing for years and flip 80 seats in the House and 10 Senate seats.

 

Now, you may think I'm wrong, but see? We can actually talk about this in a detailed and nuanced way! We could mention specifics! We could talk about what the Democrats did and are doing wrong in real life. We could do that instead of pretending everyone who dislikes Trump is some kind of Democratic simp.

 

**** the big picture. The big picture is boring and it's just people talking out their asses and confirming their priors anyway.

 

 

Not sure why you felt the need to bring Ferret Face into this but if it's just an excuse to let me mention his final two losses as humiliating rebuttals to his narcissistic staged farewell tour, then I'm not going to pass it up . . .

Sensing mega (or is it maga) anger from you. Time for you to sit back, relax, have a cold one and even puff on a stogie.

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Watt-Zeefuik
Just now, JamboRaider said:

Sensing mega (or is it maga) anger from you. Time for you to sit back, relax, have a cold one and even puff on a stogie.

 

No, Sad Mike only fills me with joy.

 

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26 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

Democrats could very likely roll out the same tired shit that the Congressional party has been doing for years and flip 80 seats in the House and 10 Senate seats.

 

 

Really?  80 and 10?  Or do you mean 40 and 5, IYSWIM?

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Jacques de Gatineau
5 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

Predicting the GOP to do badly in 2026 is basically predicting the sun to come up in the morning. I'm in Scotland and it's January. This isn't necessarily a given :) 

 

The President's party almost always loses seats. If they only lose a few, it's a good year. The thing is that the top of the ticket aside, the GOP didn't have a particularly good 2024. Senate pick-ups in Ohio and Pennsylvania were the only real things of note. The Democrats did pretty well everywhere else, particularly for having a losing Presidential candidate. You're right, but Trump could easily get off on the right foot and make some moves. Things are set up for him to claim victories in Gaza and Ukraine if he plays his cards right (and he'll claim he has anyway). He has more to worry about with Musk than the Democrats, IMO. If he can't keep him inside the tent pissing out, then he's in trouble. I predict one of them will kick the bucket by '28.

 

People are talking about the election like the party got wiped out. Yes, losing to Trump is horrifying and embarrassing in equal measure, and Biden has to take the lion's share of blame for that. But beyond that, it's all about damage control until 2026.

 

 

I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm nominated for a cabinet position. In the meantime, please stop pretending I don't regularly criticize Democrats on this thread. It kind of pisses me off. It's not so much the party and its representatives, it's also those who share certain views. There's a lot of holier-than-thou kind of posting which perhaps doesn't register when it chimes with your own stance. I consider myself fairly central-ish in poltics (AKA a rabid lefty in American measurements!) and tend just to see hypocrisy and wilful ignorance on both sides, sadly.

 

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Watt-Zeefuik
Just now, Ulysses said:

 

Really?  80 and 10?  Or do you mean 40 and 5, IYSWIM?

 

It's the outer edge of what I think possible. But the GOP flipped 63 in 2010. I don't think that scale of a flip the other way is out of the question if it's an unending shitshow for the next 2 years, as I think is at least a very real possibility.

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JamboRaider
9 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

No, Sad Mike only fills me with joy.

 

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Must be a Tarheel, pretending to be a Blue Devil.

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Watt-Zeefuik
1 minute ago, Ally said:
It's not so much the party and its representatives, it's also those who share certain views. There's a lot of holier-than-thou kind of posting which perhaps doesn't register when it chimes with your own stance. I consider myself fairly central-ish in poltics (AKA a rabid lefty in American measurements!) and tend just to see hypocrisy and wilful ignorance on both sides, sadly.

 

And you don't get that from Ked's "I hold this thread in utter contempt?" It's somehow impolite to criticize a man whose own mother has condemned him in the last 10 years as a liar, an opportunist, a drunk, and a womanizer when he's set to be in charge of the world's most powerful military?

 

But you're okay with this:

 

1 hour ago, Ked said:

He thinks he sees it .

But excuses murder hegemony as long as it has the right label

 

See, this is not only a damned lie and also lazy, but it reeks of contempt and "holier than thou" attitude to me (particularly since he never backs anything up). This is what you're praising as "spot on," @Ally?

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1 minute ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

It's the outer edge of what I think possible. But the GOP flipped 63 in 2010. I don't think that scale of a flip the other way is out of the question if it's an unending shitshow for the next 2 years, as I think is at least a very real possibility.

 

Gotcha.  I think it's well and truly at the very outer edge, but I see what you mean.

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Watt-Zeefuik
2 minutes ago, JamboRaider said:

Must be a Tarheel, pretending to be a Blue Devil.

 

One thing I have never, ever in my life done is pretended to be a Blue Devil. (I am married to one, but that's aside.)

 

I presume you looked at my location and made an assumption? Oh, I see you're in Edinburgh, well let me tell you, Pat Stanton does not approve of your posting!

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32 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

Mate I used to think you were worth having a conversation with. And for a while it felt like we could have a decent back and forth. But in this thread for the past year you've had nothing to say except to shit on other posters and say we're all missing "the big picture" without having a damn thing to say past that. I tried engaging you on this. You respond by shoving shit in my mouth and telling me I think things I plainly don't.  I frankly don't give a shit whether you personally support Trump or not, quite frankly, as you don't have a vote and this is just jibber jabber on here. But I would far rather you supported Trump and made some decent arguments about why, and actually responded to good faith engagement, than your constant stream of context-free insults and derision and nothing else on here.

 

You don't call out the lazy shit. You don't call out anything specifically. You just complain and insult. Actually calling me out on something I actually posted, referencing the actual text of what I wrote, would be a dramatic improvement that I would welcome.

 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "involved in it" other than that I live here and the President's decisions affect me and mine directly and personally. Yeah, I canvassed for Harris because the alternative was horrifying.

 

I will say again that as someone who knows actual Trump voters personally I'll take my own ideas on what they think and why they voted for him over Ked's vague insinuations. And for the thousandth time, I don't think they're all "thick racists." For one thing, the worst of the racists are often highly educated and can speak eloquently, and some of them have vault-fulls of disposable cash.

 

In actual engagement with Trump voters post-election, it's plain that a lot of them blame Biden for inflation and think Trump will make it better, and for them that's more important than all the horrible things he's promised to do to vulnerable people (or they think all that's just banter). I think they're thrice catastrophically wrong but for better or worse we're about to find out, at least on the economy and his promised brutality.

 

In terms of what I would like to see Democrats do differently, I have a list so long it'll bore you to tears. (For one, I wish more of them had shown the spine Duckworth did up against Hegseth today, so we can start there.) In terms of what Democrats need to do differently to win in 2026? Very likely absolutely nothing. Trump's "huge" win left him with the smallest Congressional majority of a newly elected President in history and Democrats did surprisingly well down-ballot. The economy is far more likely to get worse not better, and inflation may come roaring back if Trump does his tariffs or his mass deportations. Democrats could very likely roll out the same tired shit that the Congressional party has been doing for years and flip 80 seats in the House and 10 Senate seats.

 

Now, you may think I'm wrong, but see? We can actually talk about this in a detailed and nuanced way! We could mention specifics! We could talk about what the Democrats did and are doing wrong in real life. We could do that instead of pretending everyone who dislikes Trump is some kind of Democratic simp.

 

**** the big picture. The big picture is boring and it's just people talking out their asses and confirming their priors anyway.

 

 

Not sure why you felt the need to bring Ferret Face into this but if it's just an excuse to let me mention his final two losses as humiliating rebuttals to his narcissistic staged farewell tour, then I'm not going to pass it up . . .

That's because there is imo nothing to argue about worth of note.

Imo the whole trump russian shit was no less worse than the Clinton biden shit.

I am ****ed off with it and although I suppose I err in conservative mindless it's just a fact of me getting older.

There is paper thin policy between any political party anywhere in the west that holds anything different to the east.

That kind of comment would see me labelled as a commie half a century ago.

Once upon a time I was a socialist and an active trade union man.

I'm not joking.

And I always held to account the left politicians more because of that.

You may think that you are left you are not imo.

And when I read this thread all I see is immature student type politics that don't take the side that's a good argument but football scarf politics.

 

The poppy pants comment FFS .

Like it or ****in not folk are healthy pissed off with the narrative of thick white working class.

Etc etc etv

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1 hour ago, Ally said:

I'm referring to the bigger picture, my friend.

 

While the Democrats tilt away at windmills, the Republicans blow them up, whether they are there or not. I respect that you're involved in it, so are likely to have a different view. But there are 70+ million Kedlike voices in the States that felt Trump was the better option, and I think it's too easy to say they are all thick racists.

 

The Republicans agree that you should take over Government ignoring election results. Those moaning maybe agree with that. 

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1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The Republicans agree that you should take over Government ignoring election results. Those moaning maybe agree with that. 

Laughable shite

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37 minutes ago, Ally said:

You can show contempt for whomever you so wish. 

 

 

In fairness, he was asking for your analysis rather than your approval.  

 

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The democrats FFS

 

A personal wealth that has been swollen by some of the warmongering **** wits that think Trumps X factor politics make a difference.

 

Ignore the hegemony of the last .

.

 

I can't be bothered.

Will stick to drunk racist comment .

Suits everyone better

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The poorest nations the most desperate people's .

Which have suffered most under which regimes , administrations etc.

 

Democrats

Destabilised the middle east more than any other party.

Which resulted under the Clinton reign in open slavery

The destruction of a regime that was brutal against Islamic fundamentals but tolerant and accepting of minorities.

But somehow the clown trump will **** peace.

 

This thread is full of blind rage based on culture politics and nothing more than a pat on the back echo shite.

And it's actually excusing a political stance that's not only right wing but supportive of US hegemony.

Which by the way is something that's preferable to it's enemies 

But you ***** think yer the ****in bee knees eh the working class vanguard.

 

 

That's why I post against yeez.

Anyway before I get not allowed to view for expressing my angry as **** views next ght ****in night

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All I read on this thread is dividing shite that most folk are happy to leave behind.

Well the people I have daily 📞 ntact with.

Posters like gunder and the unknown who are never ever able to formulate their own opinion.

They merely rely on division and argue for an argument that's piffle.

 

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42 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

It's the outer edge of what I think possible. But the GOP flipped 63 in 2010. I don't think that scale of a flip the other way is out of the question if it's an unending shitshow for the next 2 years, as I think is at least a very real possibility.

 

Sorry to keep on at this, but right now if I had to take a bet on the 2026 midterms, and assuming it's a broadly similar Trump clownshow to his 2016-2018 circus, I'd bet on the Democrats winning 227-229 in the House, which means flipping 12-14 seats.  If you look at the Senate seats that will be contested, it's hard to envisage the Democrats flipping more than one of them, maybe two, which would leave the GOP in control of the Senate.  Obviously that could change if Trump actually sets fire to the economy, but given his track record he probably won't.

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15 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Sorry to keep on at this, but right now if I had to take a bet on the 2026 midterms, and assuming it's a broadly similar Trump clownshow to his 2016-2018 circus, I'd bet on the Democrats winning 227-229 in the House, which means flipping 12-14 seats.  If you look at the Senate seats that will be contested, it's hard to envisage the Democrats flipping more than one of them, maybe two, which would leave the GOP in control of the Senate.  Obviously that could change if Trump actually sets fire to the economy, but given his track record he probably won't.

You had a feeling that Harris would win 

No?

A feeling that is as far away from general thought and akin to the arrogant and ignorant views you and watt profess.

You say you as do.all that your views align with what you and others describe as left wing .

But you And others burst yet ain baws argue for Tory values in regards to policy.

I have always liked your posts but you have turned into a radge like hjd gundy unknown  idiots  

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1 hour ago, Ked said:

That's because there is imo nothing to argue about worth of note.

Imo the whole trump russian shit was no less worse than the Clinton biden shit.

 

The Russian/Ukraine stuff is now easily the 7th or 8th most egregious thing that Trump has done, at best. Inciting a riot at the Capitol because he lost the election is at the top. Trying to strong-arm election officials into changing his vote tally is second.

 

When it actually went to court, Trump was convicted. The source for the Biden/Ukraine story is now in prison for false testimony. Despite my fear of his successor I'm quite happy to see Biden go. But he is a middling President, as opposed to an actively destructive one.

 

I am ****ed off with it and although I suppose I err in conservative mindless it's just a fact of me getting older.

There is paper thin policy between any political party anywhere in the west that holds anything different to the east.

 

What I can't seem to get across on this thread is that I am frustrated as hell at the Democrats. But I'm terrified of the MAGA Republicans. Once again, you say there's no difference. Harris didn't campaign on hurting people I care about. Trump did. That's where the difference is for me.

 

That kind of comment would see me labelled as a commie half a century ago.

Once upon a time I was a socialist and an active trade union man.

I'm not joking.

And I always held to account the left politicians more because of that.

You may think that you are left you are not imo.

 

I don't claim to be left. I'm closer to left than anything else but the whole left/right/center thing is silly to me. I'm somewhere between an institutionalist and a communitarian with influences from old anarchist theory. **** knows what that makes me on some scale.

 

And when I read this thread all I see is immature student type politics that don't take the side that's a good argument but football scarf politics.

 

The poppy pants comment FFS .

 

It wasn't me but it was a tongue-in-cheek response to the President-Elect of the United States referring to the Governor of California as "Newscum." But that's okay, and a silly comment on a Scottish football forum isn't?

 

Like it or ****in not folk are healthy pissed off with the narrative of thick white working class.

Etc etc etv

 

1 hour ago, Ked said:

You had a feeling that Harris would win 

No?

A feeling that is as far away from general thought and akin to the arrogant and ignorant views you and watt profess.

You say you as do.all that your views align with what you and others describe as left wing .

But you And others burst yet ain baws argue for Tory values in regards to policy.

I have always liked your posts but you have turned into a radge like hjd gundy unknown  idiots  

 

See, this is being dickish to your fellow Jambos for no good reason. Uly and I both said we thought the election would be close and that there was a very reasonable chance Trump would win, but that we thought Harris would edge it. Uly pushed me to make a prediction with three weeks left and I basically said "I don't ****ing know."  It was a very close election ultimately that Trump won. But because of this you're calling us "arrogant and ignorant." Just **** off with that, okay? You're just making shit up to stir shit up. Stop it.

 

That's it. Have your views. But don't invent stuff out of whole cloth and then abuse people with it because you don't like what folk are saying on this thread.

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1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

 

Sorry to keep on at this, but right now if I had to take a bet on the 2026 midterms, and assuming it's a broadly similar Trump clownshow to his 2016-2018 circus, I'd bet on the Democrats winning 227-229 in the House, which means flipping 12-14 seats.  If you look at the Senate seats that will be contested, it's hard to envisage the Democrats flipping more than one of them, maybe two, which would leave the GOP in control of the Senate.  Obviously that could change if Trump actually sets fire to the economy, but given his track record he probably won't.

 

Only rank incompetence kept Susan Collins in her seat in Maine, and I doubt she runs again. I expect that one to flip. In NC, if Roy Cooper runs I think he wins. Those are the two obvious ones.

 

Beyond that it's a hard haul based on recent results, but it just depends on voter anger. I think there could be some major shifts a la 2006.

 

It depends on how hard the shit hits the fan. The thing to remember in 2018 is that a lot of people didn't like Trump but the economy was still humming along and had been for 8-9 years steady. Right now the economy isn't bad but only recently recovered and I still think it's pretty fragile. Several good whacks with unrestrained terrible policy and I'm very worried it's going to crumple in a major way. Probably not 2008-big but still a major recession. Beyond that, the GOP has no party platform anymore (literally) other than "whatever Trump wants." If his standing falls among the economy-centric voters, the party could crumble.

 

Or he could **** around for 2 years saying crazy stuff but not doing that much, the economy could get back on its feet, and the Democrats just win 230 or so and a few Senate seats out of normal midterm swing. That's not an unreasonable guess too. I am very done with trying to accurately predict what Trump is going to actually do. I can project based on what he says he's going to do. He'll do 25% of what he says he's going to do, but who knows which 25%

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