U.S. Politics megathread (merged)

[JFK-1]

 

[JFK-1]

Never watched Trump live before but doing so right now. All I have ever watched of him were clips. It's difficult. Meandering as usual.

There is no clear line of thought aside from the press are the enemy. Everything is the greatest ever. Nobody in the world has been dealing with the pandemic better than him. Greatest economy and jobs numbers in "the history of the world"

 

The soldier bashing is all lies.

Must have said China scores of times. China virus, China plague, China is robbing us. I'm Stopping them. If Biden is elected China will own the US. Only I can save you. China China China.

[JFK-1]

The Democrats are dirty. He wont go that low. 🤣

[JFK-1]

There's going to be a vaccine maybe in October. If it were Obama you wouldn't have a vaccine for 3 years. It was predicted he would say a vaccine will be here soon.

But now I need to amend that. Soon after that claim a reporter asked about having a vaccine before the election to which he responded with I didn't say that. 🤣

[Dagger Is Back]

10 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

There was a program on not that long ago that explained what it costs over there for even the most basic stuff we completely take for granted. Even daft stuff like delivering a baby it was an extra few hundred dollars for them to let you hold the baby after the birth. Absolutely mental and makes you realise how we shouldn’t ever take the NHS for granted. 
It’s something special. 

Amen

[redjambo]

18 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

Never watched Trump live before but doing so right now. All I have ever watched of him were clips. It's difficult. Meandering as usual.

There is no clear line of thought aside from the press are the enemy. Everything is the greatest ever. Nobody in the world has been dealing with the pandemic better than him. Greatest economy and jobs numbers in "the history of the world"

 

The soldier bashing is all lies.

Must have said China scores of times. China virus, China plague, China is robbing us. I'm Stopping them. If Biden is elected China will own the US. Only I can save you. China China China.

 

Neither had I (except for one of the 2016 debates with Clinton) until a few months ago. I happened to watch Trump live at the news conference when he talked about shining light into people's bodies and injecting disinfectant. It was honestly one of the most entertaining pieces of media I have ever watched. Just a chain of "Did Trump actually just fecking say that?!"'s after another.

 

 

[JFK-1]

 

[JFK-1]

 

[JFK-1]

Notice the twisting of facts here. He's accusing Biden and Harris of being anti vaxers and undermining science. Both things he is actually guilty of.
 

Quote

At least a decade before Trump was elected president, with responsibilities that would include nominating experts to lead the nation’s health centers, the hotelier and commercial developer was holding forth with great confidence about medical topics.

When an interviewer would note that physicians disagreed with the dim view he took of vaccines, Mr. Trump remained ever ebullient, impervious and dismissive of scientific authority.

FULL ARTICLE

While what Biden and Harris said is they don't trust anything Trump spews about a safe vaccine being just weeks away. They don't mistrust vaccines as he is trying to paint it. They mistrust him. And frankly who doesn't?
 

 

[EH11_2NL]

I will never, NEVER understand how 80 MILLION people can vote for this utter imbecile. His vocabulary, diction and sentence construction are that of an 11 or 12 year old trying to impress the heedie! I don't know why I get so angry with this clown. I don't even live in America so it doesn't affect me but ****, he gets me riled!

[JFK-1]

20 minutes ago, EH11_2NL said:

I will never, NEVER understand how 80 MILLION people can vote for this utter imbecile. His vocabulary, diction and sentence construction are that of an 11 or 12 year old trying to impress the heedie! I don't know why I get so angry with this clown. I don't even live in America so it doesn't affect me but ****, he gets me riled!

 

The thing is it does effect you. If this nation begins falling apart or is maneuvered into an ever more authoritarian system it will have global repercussions. The potential scenarios are just too vast and too complex to describe.

I expect many people in Britain thought the same when Hitler was being raised to power. Basically, so what it doesn't effect me. Let's just have a laugh at the crazy rambling of the goose stepping Charlie Chaplin lookalike.

And i'm beginning to feel that no matter how the election pans out it's going to have troubling consequences.

If he's re-elected it's going to be disastrous for the nation and will have global repercussions which will effect everybody around the world. If he loses I think we're all aware that wont be plain sailing either.

He will deny it. Rigged election. There's likely to be mass disorder from the cult nuts supporting him which he will incite and in this country that means gun wackos coming out of the wood work.

 

Then even if they manage to get him out of that office and Biden into it the craziness still wont completely stop. An outgoing president typically eases himself into a type of retirement. Doesn't comment much on politics anymore which is why you rarely hear anything from Obama or Bush.

But do you think this nut would do that?  This is a narcissistic sociopath egotistical mental case who will not follow that same path all his predecessors did.

He will continue the demented twitter rambling and may even crank it up to increasingly toxic levels. Poisoning everything he touches from the sidelines while inciting ever more craziness among the cult.

I have been thinking about it a lot in recent weeks and come to the conclusion that even if he loses I don't know how this nut is going to be stopped. Maybe the only way to stop him is getting him into jail.

[Sharpie]

26 minutes ago, EH11_2NL said:

I will never, NEVER understand how 80 MILLION people can vote for this utter imbecile. His vocabulary, diction and sentence construction are that of an 11 or 12 year old trying to impress the heedie! I don't know why I get so angry with this clown. I don't even live in America so it doesn't affect me but ****, he gets me riled!

 

The majority of us on here don't live or vote in the States, but he sure as hell can have a major impact on our lives through his stupidity. 

[Sharpie]

27 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

The thing is it does effect you. If this nation begins falling apart or is maneuvered into an ever more authoritarian system it will have global repercussions. The potential scenarios are just too vast and too complex to describe.

I expect many people in Britain thought the same when Hitler was being raised to power. Basically, so what it doesn't effect me. Let's just have a laugh at the crazy rambling of the goose stepping Charlie Chaplin lookalike.

And i'm beginning to feel that no matter how the election pans out it's going to have troubling consequences.

If he's re-elected it's going to be disastrous for the nation and will have global repercussions which will effect everybody around the world. If he loses I think we're all aware that wont be plain sailing either.

He will deny it. Rigged election. There's likely to be mass disorder from the cult nuts supporting him which he will incite and in this country that means gun wackos coming out of the wood work.

 

Then even if they manage to get him out of that office and Biden into it the craziness still wont completely stop. An outgoing president typically eases himself into a type of retirement. Doesn't comment much on politics anymore which is why you rarely hear anything from Obama or Bush.

But do you think this nut would do that?  This is a narcissistic sociopath egotistical mental case who will not follow that same path all his predecessors did.

He will continue the demented twitter rambling and may even crank it up to increasingly toxic levels. Poisoning everything he touches from the sidelines while inciting ever more craziness among the cult.

I have been thinking about it a lot in recent weeks and come to the conclusion that even if he loses I don't know how this nut is going to be stopped. Maybe the only way to stop him is getting him into jail.

 

He will not accept loss, he will use every trick legal or not to say the election was rigged and he cannot be removed because of that. His loyal support will make BLM look like a peaceful gathering of  like minded people.

 

The man is corrupt and it seems so are some of the people around him, his recently appointed Post Master General, is under investigation for election contributions donations. It seems that in the last election he had reached the maximum that one can donate. He got over this by having employees make donations in their name. He then gave them a bonus that equalled the exact amount they had donated, so it cost them nothing. This is an offence. The worst people are the enablers. I am a bit disappointed in General Kelly ,Trumps former chief of staff, he apparently was in the group when Trump made his comments about the dead in a French cemetery that he did not want to visit because his hair may get messed up. Kelly a strong soldier and apparently honorable man has said nothing about Trumps disgusting if true Suckers and Losers comments. This is not going to end in a peaceful election night broadcasts about the results and projected winner with polite congratulations from winner to loser this is going to be carnage.   

On a slightly different subject I watched Hannity for a bit with Levin.  Hannity had a Trump like make up job on his face, same color as Trumps, I suppose to show his outdoorsman tan. Just like his phoney tan leader the backs of his hands were pure white. For many years golfing in Osoyoos in 90 to 100 degree hot sunny temperatures I had a natural really dark tan on my face, hands and legs, Basically wherever I went these other limbs were right in the sun just like my face, nothing that was exposed to the sun was white.

[JFK-1]

Biden, who Trump claims can't string a sentence together, at last speaks on the crazy conspiracy theories whirling around Trump and the Republicans.

"It's bizarre. What in God's name are we doing? Look at how this makes us look around the world"
 

 

[DETTY29]

If there is one single non life long voting Republican, evangelistic religious nut job, pro NRA nut job that votes for Trump or outside of voter America likes him and would vote for him if they could, are a combination of horrible human being and, or thick as pig shit.

 

Actually, that is not right.  If you want the Russians, Chinese, extreme right or extreme left dictator led countries to become stronger leading to more killing inside or outside if national borders, of course you would. 

[JFK-1]

I was thinking Mexico might change their mind about the wall. Not only pay for it but build it too.

[DETTY29]

34 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

I was thinking Mexico might change their mind about the wall. Not only pay for it but build it too.

Not sure if you will get on BBC America but a (comedy) documentary series started on BBC1 last night 'She Perkins:  Along the US - .Mexico Border'

 

5Live gave it a must see rating.  I did enjoy it.

[JackLadd]

Trump on Navalny poisoning three weeks after the event: "We'll take a look at it" said Donnie. A total puppet in plain view.   

[trotter]

22 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

There was a program on not that long ago that explained what it costs over there for even the most basic stuff we completely take for granted. Even daft stuff like delivering a baby it was an extra few hundred dollars for them to let you hold the baby after the birth. Absolutely mental and makes you realise how we shouldn’t ever take the NHS for granted. 
It’s something special

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I have needed hospital treatment here, and the care you get is fantastic, in fact its probably some of the best Healthcare in the world, but there is something quite odd when you are lying in bed with an IV in your arm and a 'financial settlement assistant' comes to your bedside almost as immediately as the admitting doctor leaves to go through your insurance details and get your credit card details for your deductible hospital fee. 

 

This is genuinely a true story btw.

 

[jack D and coke]

8 minutes ago, trotter said:

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I have needed hospital treatment here, and the care you get is fantastic, in fact its probably some of the best Healthcare in the world, but there is something quite odd when you are lying in bed with an IV in your arm and a 'financial settlement assistant' comes to your bedside almost as immediately as the admitting doctor leaves to go through your insurance details and get your credit card details for your deductible hospital fee. 

 

This is genuinely a true story btw.

 

Don’t doubt that for a second mate. 
America drops lower in my estimations every day. 

[Maple Leaf]

I agree with the dire predictions of what will happen if Trump loses in November.  There will be political turmoil and civil unrest that will leave the rest of the world gobsmacked.

 

I also agree that Trump will not go quietly into the night once he is removed from office.  He will remain very active in politics, setting the stage for the 2024 presidential election when the Republican nominee will be .... Ivanka!!!

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 hours ago, trotter said:

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I have needed hospital treatment here, and the care you get is fantastic, in fact its probably some of the best Healthcare in the world, but there is something quite odd when you are lying in bed with an IV in your arm and a 'financial settlement assistant' comes to your bedside almost as immediately as the admitting doctor leaves to go through your insurance details and get your credit card details for your deductible hospital fee. 

 

This is genuinely a true story btw.

 

That’s brutal.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

5 hours ago, trotter said:

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I have needed hospital treatment here, and the care you get is fantastic, in fact its probably some of the best Healthcare in the world, but there is something quite odd when you are lying in bed with an IV in your arm and a 'financial settlement assistant' comes to your bedside almost as immediately as the admitting doctor leaves to go through your insurance details and get your credit card details for your deductible hospital fee. 

 

This is genuinely a true story btw.

 

 

If I'm reading this right. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171116092706.htm

The cost of treatment for an uninsured person following a Heart Attack in the USA is over $53,000 (in 2012), that's just the initial treatment and hospital stay, that doesn't include your long term care or medications.

 

Meanwhile in Scotland it cost me nothing, not a penny, even my aftercare & all medications are free.

 

Thank feck for the NHS, I dread to think what we would do without it, I know I couldn't afford the costs in the US.

Edited September 8, 2020 by Jambo-Jimbo

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

If I'm reading this right. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171116092706.htm

The cost of treatment for an uninsured person following a Heart Attack in the USA is over $53,000 (in 2012), that's just the initial treatment and hospital stay, that doesn't include your long term care or medications.

 

Meanwhile in Scotland it cost me nothing, not a penny, even my aftercare & all medications are free.

 

Thank feck for the NHS, I dread to think what we would do without it, I know I couldn't afford the costs in the US.

The difference is astounding.

[Sharpie]

9 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

If I'm reading this right. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171116092706.htm

The cost of treatment for an uninsured person following a Heart Attack in the USA is over $53,000 (in 2012), that's just the initial treatment and hospital stay, that doesn't include your long term care or medications.

 

Meanwhile in Scotland it cost me nothing, not a penny, even my aftercare & all medications are free.

 

Thank feck for the NHS, I dread to think what we would do without it, I know I couldn't afford the costs in the US.

 

I had my wife in a hospice for nearly three weeks, it was considered an extra and cost me all of $360.00. In the last two weeks she was basically on medication, I believe Morphine ,which was paid for by our Health System. Prior to her hospital stay she was on medication which was free but the Pharmacist told me each prescription was worth $700. I just can't believe after the stress I went through how bad it would have been if like the States the full costs had been applied. God Bless Canada, you made a difficult time manageable. I would be remiss if I didn't also mention the fine people of JKB in that appreciation.

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

The difference is astounding.

 

The difference in the cost of medicines themselves in the States and elsewhere is also astounding.

 

A snake antivenom example (the costs are towards the end of the article): https://science.sciencemag.org/content/343/6166/16

 

[Maple Leaf]

12 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Meanwhile in Scotland it cost me nothing, not a penny, even my aftercare & all medications are free.

 

Thank feck for the NHS, I dread to think what we would do without it, I know I couldn't afford the costs in the US.

 

At the risk of sounding pedantic, your health care is not free.  It comes out of general taxation, which is the same in Canada and different from the USA.

 

There is a very strong lobby in America to keep things they way they are, as insurance companies make enormous profits. 

[Tazio]

10 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

At the risk of sounding pedantic, your health care is not free.  It comes out of general taxation, which is the same in Canada and different from the USA.

 

There is a very strong lobby in America to keep things they way they are, as insurance companies make enormous profits. 

Of course nothing is free but the difference is it isn’t a “conscious” cost on a day to day basis. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

14 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

The difference in the cost of medicines themselves in the States and elsewhere is also astounding.

 

A snake antivenom example (the costs are towards the end of the article): https://science.sciencemag.org/content/343/6166/16

 

That’s an eye opener.

[Justin Z]

On 07/09/2020 at 02:07, Carl Fredrickson said:

 

I have never got my head round how the US political system works but read this thread every day trying to grasp things. Things look darker than a long, ,long time and I cant see how the US can recover from what has been going on. 

 

The US in general from what I have read have almost been in denial about Covid and wouldnt do a proper lockdown due to the economy.  

 

I hope you and yours keep safe. 

 

Cheers. We're all doing our best by staying in as much as humanly possible.

[J.T.F.Robertson]

 

*A NHS style system will never happen down there. Would be labeled commie/socialist-inspired before you could utter, "rampant, out of control capitalism".

 

*stating the obvious.

 

[Justin Z]

On 07/09/2020 at 02:39, alfajambo said:

The leftists have gambled their chips on a race war.

 

 

 

Meanwhile, back in reality:

 

About 93% of racial justice protests in the US have been peaceful, a new report finds

 

“Prior to the [federal] deployment, over 83% of demonstrations in Oregon were non-violent. Post-deployment, the percentage of violent demonstrations has risen from under 17% to over 42%, suggesting that the federal response has only aggravated unrest.”

 

Leaked Documents Show Police Knew Far-Right Extremists Were the Real Threat at Protests, Not “Antifa”

 

The cache of law enforcement materials was recently hacked and posted online under the title “BlueLeaks,” providing an unprecedented look at the communications between state, local, and federal law enforcement in the face of the nationwide protests. In an analysis of nearly 300 documents that reference “antifa,” The Intercept found repeated instances of antifa and left-wing protesting activities cast in cartoonishly grim terms alongside more substantive reports of lethal right-wing violence and threats that have received scant mention from top Trump administration officials.

 

“Throughout the documents you see counterterrorism agencies using extremism so broadly as to mean virtually anything that encompasses dissent,” Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU’s National Security Project, told The Intercept. “There are instances in which people engaging in white supremacist violence get the benefit of the doubt as potential lone offenders, while people of color and those who dissent against government injustice are smeared as threats with guilt by association.”

 

On 07/09/2020 at 04:46, luckydug said:

I've always believed America has rwo Conservative parties. 

That's why so many don't bother voting.

 

 

[JFK-1]

3 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

At the risk of sounding pedantic, your health care is not free.  It comes out of general taxation, which is the same in Canada and different from the USA.

 

There is a very strong lobby in America to keep things they way they are, as insurance companies make enormous profits. 

 

I think the major point is that it's free at point of access. No one is ever going to be denied medical care because they have no money.

If you're lying half dead on a road an ambulance will take you to hospital with no checking to see if you have insurance cover and no debate over which hospital will take your insurance. The nearest hospital will do.

You're never going to be in a situation where you may have a long term illness and they say look you have hit your lifetime cap. Now off you go and die someplace out of sight.

And all that just scrapes the surface. They will decline tests that could alert you to major illness because your insurance doesn't cover it. Countless numbers of them who would have been treated back to health in Britain are dying.

What they have isn't healthcare at all in the British sense. What they have is like calling McDonalds foodcare. 

[JFK-1]

THIRD WORLD HEALTH CARE - KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE EDITION

 

There's a brief ad before the video starts.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/cbbn22/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-third-world-health-care---knoxville--tennessee-edition

 

[JFK-1]

 

[Sharpie]

16 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

 That was a litany of soooo Trump.

[JFK-1]

21 minutes ago, Sharpie said:

 That was a litany of soooo Trump.

 

Pretty much standard Trump. Littered with outright batshit craziness. And of course the standard nobody knows more than me about (insert subject) or nobody has more respect than me for (insert subject).
 

 

[kila]

Trump is looking a little thinner and more frail, even his makeup can't conceal it.

 

Tick tock.

 

[trotter]

15 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

The difference in the cost of medicines themselves in the States and elsewhere is also astounding.

 

A snake antivenom example (the costs are towards the end of the article): https://science.sciencemag.org/content/343/6166/16

 

Your typical ambulance ride is billed circa $500 - $1000/mile. I've seen the invoices from friends having been in a situation to need one showing it...

 

A helicopter LifeFlight will run you about $50k just to get you to the hospital...

[Bigsmak]

2 hours ago, trotter said:

Your typical ambulance ride is billed circa $500 - $1000/mile. I've seen the invoices from friends having been in a situation to need one showing it...

 

A helicopter LifeFlight will run you about $50k just to get you to the hospital...

 

 

But aren't the prices all just inflated so that the doctors / hospitals / Pharmaceutical and insurance companies keep making more and more money?  

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care-costs-so-much-more-in-the-us.html#:~:text=The U.S. is famous for,on health care in 2016.&text=According to the researchers at,out%2C drugs are more expensive.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/080615/6-reasons-healthcare-so-expensive-us.asp

[Cade]

I know people in the US that have opted for amputation coz it's cheaper than repairing a limb.

Crippled for life because you couldn't afford a procedure that would have restored full function.

It's medieval.

 

A wee trip or fall and a broken limb is all it takes to bankrupt you.

[JFK-1]

3 hours ago, trotter said:

Your typical ambulance ride is billed circa $500 - $1000/mile. I've seen the invoices from friends having been in a situation to need one showing it...

 

A helicopter LifeFlight will run you about $50k just to get you to the hospital...

 

I know a young guy from Oklahoma, maybe around 23 or so. When he was 10 he had an accident falling from a tree and adults who witnessed it called an ambulance. His parents got a $5,000 bill.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I know a young guy from Oklahoma, maybe around 23 or so. When he was 10 he had an accident falling from a tree and adults who witnessed it called an ambulance. His parents got a $5,000 bill.

Friend's mum, from California, was in hospital a few years ago for an op. Her belongings were stored, ready for her leaving, however they found 4 paracetamol/Tylenol in her handbag and tried to charge her a few thousand per pill, for unauthorised medication. Forget the exact amount, but she had a major problem trying to sort it out, thinking got waived in the end. Keeping in mind, a box of tose pills cost about 50p here, from a supermarket.

[Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, JFK-1 said:

 

I know a young guy from Oklahoma, maybe around 23 or so. When he was 10 he had an accident falling from a tree and adults who witnessed it called an ambulance. His parents got a $5,000 bill.

Worst Limerick ever.

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Worst Limerick ever.

🤣 That's what I said to myself. 

[JackLadd]

I see the clown was back on vote twice and Mexico will pay last night. Plus he's got his lackey Barr defending him in a rape defamation case from the 90's. It's banana republic stuff. 

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Worst Limerick ever.

 

Well played! 

 

[westbow]

4 hours ago, Bigsmak said:

 

 

But aren't the prices all just inflated so that the doctors / hospitals / Pharmaceutical and insurance companies keep making more and more money?  

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care-costs-so-much-more-in-the-us.html#:~:text=The U.S. is famous for,on health care in 2016.&text=According to the researchers at,out%2C drugs are more expensive.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/080615/6-reasons-healthcare-so-expensive-us.asp

I see the NYTimes are saying Hundreds of thousands of Americans have received unexpected bills for coronavirus tests. Supposed to be free.

[Cade]

Far-right Norwegian MP nominates Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

 

[Maple Leaf]

7 minutes ago, Cade said:

Far-right Norwegian MP nominates Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize

 

 

A descendant of Quisling, perhaps?