davemclaren Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Gambling firms agree 'whistle-to-whistle' television sport advertising ban http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/46453954 good news imo. Gambling is far too easy these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 I agree with the sentiment but where do you draw the line? No booze adverts? No soft drink adverts? No take away ads? No high end products that may not be affordable for people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) While rejecting Gambling firms as sponsors we still accept advertising which is shown during games at Tynecastle on the electronic. Edited December 6, 2018 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Not sure that it will stop people gambling to be honest. I have a gambling addiction that has had serious implications on my life and family but tv adverts never influenced me. My lack of willpower and addictive personality did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Dino Velvet said: Not sure that it will stop people gambling to be honest. I have a gambling addiction that has had serious implications on my life and family but tv adverts never influenced me. My lack of willpower and addictive personality did that. I agree but when I watch live football the number of ingame adverts extolling the fun of betting on virtually everything is incredible and must encourage people to spend ( otherwise they wouldn’t show them ). Luckily I hate the thought of likely losing more than the i like the thought of an unlikely win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 32 minutes ago, Dino Velvet said: Not sure that it will stop people gambling to be honest. I have a gambling addiction that has had serious implications on my life and family but tv adverts never influenced me. My lack of willpower and addictive personality did that. It might cut down on it a wee bit though. There's nothing worse than the half time whistle going, and immediately you're straight into "IN PLAY WIF RAY" odds on next goalscorer, correct score, etc. Especially after a few beers, you're more likely to think it looks good, especially if your bets are already stuffed after the first half. Then you get to see the same with Ladbrokes, William Hill and every other company going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 With the majority of teams (especially in the EPL) having betting companies as their shirt sponsor, they will still get plenty of exposure "whistle to whistle" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 hours ago, The Treasurer said: With the majority of teams (especially in the EPL) having betting companies as their shirt sponsor, they will still get plenty of exposure "whistle to whistle" And all the adverts all round the grounds perhaps even more now to compensate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I was quite disappointed to hear Scott Wilson before the game say something about checking the prices on ladbrokes for the match before today’s game. perhaps he was asked to do so? But not something I think the club should be advertising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlv2004 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: I was quite disappointed to hear Scott Wilson before the game say something about checking the prices on ladbrokes for the match before today’s game. perhaps he was asked to do so? But not something I think the club should be advertising No it's not. I assume because Hills sponsor the competition he had no choice though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, Jlv2004 said: No it's not. I assume because Hills sponsor the competition he had no choice though. If that was it then fair enough although I’m sure he mentioned ladbrokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlv2004 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 06/12/2018 at 12:10, davemclaren said: I agree but when I watch live football the number of ingame adverts extolling the fun of betting on virtually everything is incredible and must encourage people to spend ( otherwise they wouldn’t show them ). Luckily I hate the thought of likely losing more than the i like the thought of an unlikely win. Sometimes it's the only adverts there are. This could have implications long term for the size of the TV deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlv2004 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: If that was it then fair enough although I’m sure he mentioned ladbrokes I didn't hear it to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: If that was it then fair enough although I’m sure he mentioned ladbrokes Could it be Scott just being a bit mischievous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, Jlv2004 said: No it's not. I assume because Hills sponsor the competition he had no choice though. Correct Will be part of the sponsorship contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I don't agree with encouraging betting. The one thing is some of the companies' social media output is brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, RobNox said: Could it be Scott just being a bit mischievous? I guess so even so, just don’t think it was the right thing to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM1874 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I very much doubt Scott would be having some sort of mischievous banter with that pre match announcement in fact I can guarantee it. It’s fairly certain that it would have been in there on request from the tournament sponsors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsbacker Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) On 06/12/2018 at 11:56, Mikey1874 said: While rejecting Gambling firms as sponsors we still accept advertising which is shown during games at Tynecastle on the electronic. I think this will be banned in due course but it would be good to see the club taking a stand first and stopping gambling advertising within the stadium in line with the aims of being a family club. I like an accumulator at the weekend and the odd first goalscorer bet at the game but barrage of advertising across all platforms is too much so I’m glad action is being taken. Edited January 20, 2019 by watsbacker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renault Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: I was quite disappointed to hear Scott Wilson before the game say something about checking the prices on ladbrokes for the match before today’s game. perhaps he was asked to do so? But not something I think the club should be advertising Unfortunately advertising plays an enormous part of the corporate world. Were you upset when Hibs were sponsored by Crabbies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I'll miss hearing, "World-wide Betting Kampney," battering my lugholes, not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjack Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, watsbacker said: I think this will be banned in due course but it would be good to see the club taking a stand first and stopping gambling advertising within the stadium in line with the aims of being a family club. Totally agree that all gambling ads should be banned from the ground. If hearts were to do this at tynie, how would this affect teams who have bookies as their shirt sponsors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 No adverts in-between but you could have a final of the William Hill Scottish Cup played by Celtic (DafaBet) v Rangers (32RED). Not going to make the slightest bit of difference. Gambling is advertised extensively on every single high street in Britain and is massively encouraged by lad culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: I was quite disappointed to hear Scott Wilson before the game say something about checking the prices on ladbrokes for the match before today’s game. perhaps he was asked to do so? But not something I think the club should be advertising 4 hours ago, Jlv2004 said: No it's not. I assume because Hills sponsor the competition he had no choice though. 4 hours ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: If that was it then fair enough although I’m sure he mentioned ladbrokes 3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Correct Will be part of the sponsorship contract It was definitely Ladbrokes that he mentioned so nothing to do with the sponsors (William Hill). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, superjack said: Totally agree that all gambling ads should be banned from the ground. If hearts were to do this at tynie, how would this affect teams who have bookies as their shirt sponsors? Can't stop away teams showing whatever a advertising they want on their shirts as long as its been approved by the league. Even if Hearts wanted to stop accepting gambling advertising they will be required to have advertising for the sponsors of the League, cup and league cup, all of which are currently sponsored by betting companies. Then there is the small matter of making money from betting kiosks within the ground, which is a much clearer facilitation of gambling than adverts. At the moment I think it would be pretty pointless for any individual club to refuse to accept gambling advertisement. Anything would have to be done on a league wide basis to be meaningful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 9 hours ago, graygo said: It was definitely Ladbrokes that he mentioned so nothing to do with the sponsors (William Hill). If so then questions need to be asked as to why he said this then... does Scott still sometimes read / post on here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On the rare occasion that I have watched Hearts TV highlights the commentators were continually prattling on about their bets. The Cowdenbeath 10-0 game being an example. Jimmy Sandison seemed disappointed as he had Hearts to win 2-0. It was a bit irritating they seemed to be more interested in their bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 06/12/2018 at 11:52, Taffin said: I agree with the sentiment but where do you draw the line? No booze adverts? No soft drink adverts? No take away ads? No high end products that may not be affordable for people? It's the nanny state mate. Just think next it will be don't go to work just to avoid the possibility of Stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Saint Jambo said: Can't stop away teams showing whatever a advertising they want on their shirts as long as its been approved by the league. Even if Hearts wanted to stop accepting gambling advertising they will be required to have advertising for the sponsors of the League, cup and league cup, all of which are currently sponsored by betting companies. Then there is the small matter of making money from betting kiosks within the ground, which is a much clearer facilitation of gambling than adverts. At the moment I think it would be pretty pointless for any individual club to refuse to accept gambling advertisement. Anything would have to be done on a league wide basis to be meaningful. the only times i have seen tams not have a betting company on their shirt is in the CL or EL when the hime team is in a country that does not allow it. I remember real madrid playing without a sponsor in a match because of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Marvin said: It's the nanny state mate. Just think next it will be don't go to work just to avoid the possibility of Stress. It's not really a laughing matter to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzabic Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I bet an astronomical amount and I can say it's never been cause I seen a 50/1 bet at half time on a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, cruzabic said: I bet an astronomical amount and I can say it's never been cause I seen a 50/1 bet at half time on a game. yeh but young people / teenagers etc might Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 42 minutes ago, Marvin said: It's the nanny state mate. Just think next it will be don't go to work just to avoid the possibility of Stress. Not really. We have always had gambling laws. They just need updated from time to time to cater for changing needs. The internet and gambling can be a potent mix. Some people just can't help themselves and need protected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzabic Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: yeh but young people / teenagers etc might Ive been gambling since I was in my teens (and not too old yet). Just think a big thing had been made of it when I don't think it will change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) The Treasury raises large amounts of revenue from gambling and I cant see it being banned any time soon. Fourteen billion if you check this link:- https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/31/uk-gambling-industry-takes-14bn-year-punters I think they get 20% of revenues from one armed bandits in bookies and over 10 % of sports betting. That's why the resisted and delayed the reduction in maximum stakes on one armed bandits in Bookies which is a major cause of gambling addiction. They also get about 30% of lottery earnings that should go directly to good causes. And they can also influence who gets what so that public spending can be reduced. I'm a punter by the way and love a horse bet Edited January 21, 2019 by jambos are go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 06/12/2018 at 11:48, davemclaren said: Gambling firms agree 'whistle-to-whistle' television sport advertising ban http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/46453954 good news imo. Gambling is far too easy these days. It's a start but I personally would ban all advertising in keeping with tobacco. As for their crass "when the fun stops, stop" attempt at getting people to moderate their gambling. **** right off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: It's a start but I personally would ban all advertising in keeping with tobacco. As for their crass "when the fun stops, stop" attempt at getting people to moderate their gambling. **** right off. ban gambling tobacco and alcohol advertising - would be the best thing to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: ban gambling tobacco and alcohol advertising - would be the best thing to do! Yeah, I could go with a ban on alcohol advertising as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: It's a start but I personally would ban all advertising in keeping with tobacco. As for their crass "when the fun stops, stop" attempt at getting people to moderate their gambling. **** right off. The advertising is also effectively aimed at children, normalising betting with sport for future custom. Mainly it's due to competition. Great profits to be made. Good career choice setting up an online betting company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: The Treasury raises large amounts of revenue from gambling and I cant see it being banned any time soon. Fourteen billion if you check this link:- https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/31/uk-gambling-industry-takes-14bn-year-punters I think they get 20% of revenues from one armed bandits in bookies and over 10 % of sports betting. That's why the resisted and delayed the reduction in maximum stakes on one armed bandits in Bookies which is a major cause of gambling addiction. They also get about 30% of lottery earnings that should go directly to good causes. And they can also influence who gets what so that public spending can be reduced. I'm a punter by the way and love a horse bet Who wants gambling banned ? There has to be sensible laws in place to protect the vulnerable and their families. That is a far cry from banning gambling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: It's not really a laughing matter to be honest Just being facetious sorry to anyone whom I offended. Of course gambling sites need to do more for people who show worrying gambling patterns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, Marvin said: Just being facetious sorry to anyone whom I offended. Of course gambling sites need to do more for people who show worrying gambling patterns. apology accepted - fair enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, jambos are go! said: The Treasury raises large amounts of revenue from gambling and I cant see it being banned any time soon. Fourteen billion if you check this link:- https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/31/uk-gambling-industry-takes-14bn-year-punters I think they get 20% of revenues from one armed bandits in bookies and over 10 % of sports betting. That's why the resisted and delayed the reduction in maximum stakes on one armed bandits in Bookies which is a major cause of gambling addiction. They also get about 30% of lottery earnings that should go directly to good causes. And they can also influence who gets what so that public spending can be reduced. I'm a punter by the way and love a horse bet Absolutely. The treasury still makes a lot of money from cigarettes as well though that must have reduced over the years with the harsher laws around their sale. Banning wouldn’t work, just encourages criminals to get involved, but the internet has changed the game significantly for gambling and our legislators need to react to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Recently watched the documentary about Keith Gillespie (ex ManU and Newcastle) and his gambling, went from not knowing how to fill in a bookies slip to losing £62,000 in one weekend,p made over £7m in his career but declared bankrupt due to gambling! Said that one of the key escalation points was when a booking let him phone bets in rather than be recognised/spotted in the bookies, it just made it easier and made it less real as he wasn't handing cash over. Hate to think how bad things would have been for him now with mobile betting apps etc, at least when you were phoning up a bookie you had to know what you wanted to place a bet on, now you can browse first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 7 hours ago, luckydug said: Who wants gambling banned ? There has to be sensible laws in place to protect the vulnerable and their families. That is a far cry from banning gambling. Fair point. Maybe I should have said the Treasury would not like to see it diminished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 15 hours ago, davemclaren said: Absolutely. The treasury still makes a lot of money from cigarettes as well though that must have reduced over the years with the harsher laws around their sale. Banning wouldn’t work, just encourages criminals to get involved, but the internet has changed the game significantly for gambling and our legislators need to react to that. Not banning gambling just banning advertising gambling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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