Dunne out for 6 weeks

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

What a sad little post 

 

 

Great post, reality added to the discussion ??.

[Unknown user]

11 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Fair enough so it’s not the best facilities in the medical department, is that not what I’ve said a few times now?

The physio diagnosed it and he was sent to a specialist after being allowed to train and play, that might’ve made it worse. So we have great sports science facilities and SS but not medical employees, any defence of the other injuries I’ve mentioned?

You've said a bunch of stuff, mostly confusing sports science with medical diagnostics tbh. As far as I'm aware we don't even have a medical department, why would we?

 

At the end of the day Man U wouldn't have allowed Mitchell to come back and Burnley wouldn't have loaned us Dunne if there were concerns in the top level professional world about how we go about things.

 

You probably feel like I'm missing the point, but I feel it's you that's missing the point. I'm sure we can both live with that. 

[Pasquale for King]

15 minutes ago, deejtee said:

OMG this again!!

In response to unprofessional to mention being medical I don't agree. Many may choose not to.

As regards "going down south" I see absolutely no problem with that. With unusual injuries (or illnesses) further specialist advice or treatment can be required. Scotland is a small country and using international level medical expertise is an option. If Uche needed that level of expertise to diagnose and treat his injury we should be glad the club arranged it.

It’s all injuries that require being sent down south apparently, don’t really care about where it’s when they send them. 5 weeks after the injury, being allowed to take part in  training and playing is slightly too long for me but I just want this injury nightmare to end.

[i wish jj was my dad]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

I don’t really care if there is someone to blame for these injuries as most are contact injuries, but if there’s any priblmen with the Training/diagnosis /treatment then it has to be sorted out. Do you think it’s just bad luck?

I don't know. I'm not medically qualified and don't know what goes on behind the scenes so I'd rather not stir the shite about stuff I don't know.

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

You've said a bunch of stuff, mostly confusing sports science with medical diagnostics tbh. As far as I'm aware we don't even have a medical department, why would we?

 

At the end of the day Man U wouldn't have allowed Mitchell to come back and Burnley wouldn't have loaned us Dunne if there were concerns in the top level professional world about how we go about things.

 

You probably feel like I'm missing the point, but I feel it's you that's missing the point. I'm sure we can both live with that. 

I’m thinking that the sports scientists and whatever medical employees we have do discuss the players fitness and injury? We are allowed to question them. 

[Pasquale for King]

1 minute ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

I don't know. I'm not medically qualified and don't know what goes on behind the scenes so I'd rather not stir the shite about stuff I don't know.

That’s your choice, I’m looking for an answer and I got into trouble the last time this was debated so I won’t say anymore I’m case I’m grassed up again ?.

[i8hibsh]

54 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

 

What do you think it is then, rather than bad luck?

 

Poor training, terrible management, sub standard medical advice and treatmemt.

Edited December 3, 2018 by i8hibsh

[SUTOL]

Just now, i8hibsh said:

 

Poor training, terrible managemen sub standard medical advice and treatmemt.

 

So Berra got injured in a match and is back ahead of schedule, because of poor training, terrible management, sub standard medical advice and treatment. 

 

Souttar was injured on international duty due to sub standard medical advice at Hearts.

 

Etc, etc.

[i wish jj was my dad]

9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

That’s your choice, I’m looking for an answer and I got into trouble the last time this was debated so I won’t say anymore I’m case I’m grassed up again ?.

You are hardly going to get a definitive answer here so if why stir the shite again.

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’m thinking that the sports scientists and whatever medical employees we have do discuss the players fitness and injury? We are allowed to question them. 

As I said in, I believe, my first reply to you, no one can possibly give you an answer that will satisfy, but knock yourself out. My answers have been aimed at other posters reading this thread as much as you, they can make their own minds up. 

 

So aye, question away, I don't blame you for scratching the itches in your life, I do it myself. I'll leave you to it though. 

[heartsfc_fan]

Just bad luck.

Thank heavens Berra is back to fill this loss of Dunne.

 

We might never see a partnership of Berra and Dunne this season

 

[Pasquale for King]

28 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

You are hardly going to get a definitive answer here so if why stir the shite again.

Is this not a forum for discussion ? I was only answering questions that were asked, not that I have to justify myself to you.

[davemclaren]

3 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

The conveyor belt of injuries

Right. 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’m thinking that the sports scientists and whatever medical employees we have do discuss the players fitness and injury? We are allowed to question them. 

 

You can question them from a position of knowledge. What medical training do you have that makes you think you can discuss injuries and treatment in an informed way with a medical professional? Dr Google doesn’t count.

 

Or by “question them” do you mean ask them questions like at a fans q&a or something? That would be a bit ridiculous. Some employees like managers and players should expect to answer to fans cia the media or club events. Other employees should answer to their bosses and not have to publicly explain their decisions.

[i wish jj was my dad]

7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Is this not a forum for discussion ? I was only answering questions that were asked, not that I have to justify myself to you.

Smithee has answered better than I can.

 

FWIW, it's a contact sport. Players get injured. We've been unlucky I think. Not so much with the numbers injured this season. It's who our casualties are that has hurt us.

 

I don't see how the club can be blamed for that but I am sure there is a way to blame Levein somehow.

[i8hibsh]

3 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Smithee has answered better than I can.

 

FWIW, it's a contact sport. Players get injured. We've been unlucky I think. Not so much with the numbers injured this season. It's who our casualties are that has hurt us.

 

I don't see how the club can be blamed for that but I am sure there is a way to blame Levein somehow.

 

 

Even if Levein is not to blame for our poor training etc he is certainly at fault for the way he is now pissing with the cock he has.

 

Just say Naismith and Uche had never signed for us does that mean that the past 7 weeks of results are acceptable? Does it justify that no Hearts player has scored a goal in 10 hours of football and we are aggregate 1 - 15 in our past 7 games?

 

It is a huge set back but he is dining out on it. Excuses after excuses. Even the refs are to blame for zero points every week. He is a very poor manager. I love him and always will but he is just not a winner.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2018 by i8hibsh

[Thomaso]

17 hours ago, davemclaren said:

Lucky to have three excellent central defenders. Unfortunately not fit at the same time. 

 

Berra is getting rested tomorrow so none of them are fit!!!

[davemclaren]

20 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

 

Berra is getting rested tomorrow so none of them are fit!!!

Yikes ?

[Everitt]

Dunne is gone back to burnley. His loan spell is over with us! Immense while it lasted 

[Seymour M Hersh]

13 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Poor training, terrible management, sub standard medical advice and treatmemt.

 

I know one ex-player who will call everything you have just written utter shite. But what would he know?

[Pasquale for King]

8 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

You can question them from a position of knowledge. What medical training do you have that makes you think you can discuss injuries and treatment in an informed way with a medical professional? Dr Google doesn’t count.

 

Or by “question them” do you mean ask them questions like at a fans q&a or something? That would be a bit ridiculous. Some employees like managers and players should expect to answer to fans cia the media or club events. Other employees should answer to their bosses and not have to publicly explain their decisions.

I can and will question them on this forum and anywhere else I please and you or they won’t stop me. I wasn’t saying I was going to track them down, I may well ask a question at the shareholders AGM though. Please don’t think that medical professionals are some sort of gods who don’t regularly make mistakes that can’t be questioned, pick up a newspaper you will find one. How do you know what knowledge or advice ive bern given on this subject? 

[Pasquale for King]

5 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Smithee has answered better than I can.

 

FWIW, it's a contact sport. Players get injured. We've been unlucky I think. Not so much with the numbers injured this season. It's who our casualties are that has hurt us.

 

I don't see how the club can be blamed for that but I am sure there is a way to blame Levein somehow.

We’ve had a run of injuries since he took over the football department. Let’s look at one instance ;- Mitchell was injured on a dodgy pitch at Dingwall, played against Rangers, played against St Johnstone and walked off the pitch frustrated and injured leaving us with ten men, CL said he should be fine for the next game, for some reason Man Utd called him back and he was immediately operated on. Now either CL was going to play him with a leg injury that needed operated on or the medical staff misdiagnosed his injury, neither is great.

CL is responsible for all parts of the football department, are we not allowed to criticise him? It’s not just about that though it’s to try and see if there’s an underlying reason as to why we keep getting a more than average amount of injuries that have hampered our efforts on the pitch. 

[Thomaso]

Back on topic - if Dunne does not return from Burnley it will be a sad end to his time at Hearts. The lad has been magnificent for us.

[scott herbertson]

1 minute ago, Thomaso said:

Back on topic - if Dunne does not return from Burnley it will be a sad end to his time at Hearts. The lad has been magnificent for us.

 

 

Yeah - been terrific and a shame if he can't play when Souttar comes back as it would give us great options for cover/ switching to 5 at the back etc

[Thomaso]

1 minute ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

Yeah - been terrific and a shame if he can't play when Souttar comes back as it would give us great options for cover/ switching to 5 at the back etc

 

Back 3 of Berra, Dunne and Souttar would have been fantastic.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Our luck with injuries has been truly shocking. Feels a bit like the season is over already tbh.

[Mikey1874]

3 hours ago, Thomaso said:

 

Back 3 of Berra, Dunne and Souttar would have been fantastic.

 

Maybe still see that next year

 

 

[Mikey1874]

Ankle ligaments 

 

 

[ramrod]

This can't just be down to bad luck 

 

[SUTOL]

22 minutes ago, ramrod said:

This can't just be down to bad luck 

 

 

I'd agree if they were all similar injuries that happened in training. But they are all different and happened in different situations, Souttar wasn't even playing for Hearts. 

 

 

[ramrod]

19 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

I'd agree if they were all similar injuries that happened in training. But they are all different and happened in different situations, Souttar wasn't even playing for Hearts. 

 

 

Maybe it's conditioning or the type of training methods , who knows . 

I just can't have this all being down to bad luck , just my opinion obv but there's far to many and usually there is a reason . 

[Mikey1874]

8 minutes ago, ramrod said:

Maybe it's conditioning or the type of training methods , who knows . 

I just can't have this all being down to bad luck , just my opinion obv but there's far to many and usually there is a reason . 

 

All been different though there maybe is a similarity 

 

1. Berra snapped hamstring stretching to stop Griffiths scoring 

 

2. Uche fully committed to a lost cause in tackling the goalkeeper leading to a goal

 

3. Souttar tore his hip lining. Not sure if linked to previous problems but he played on while in some discomfort 

 

4. Naismith maybe something like this with knee was coming at his stage in career and following previous injuries 

 

5. Dunne injured by a team mate in training 

 

The similarity if there is one is in total commitment from Hearts players. Which presumably we want?

Not playing it safe? 

[ramrod]

8 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

All been different though there maybe is a similarity 

 

1. Berra snapped hamstring stretching to stop Griffiths scoring 

 

2. Uche fully committed to a lost cause in tackling the goalkeeper leading to a goal

 

3. Souttar tore his hip lining. Not sure if linked to previous problems but he played on while in some discomfort 

 

4. Naismith maybe something like this with knee was coming at his stage in career and following previous injuries 

 

5. Dunne injured by a team mate in training 

 

The similarity if there is one is in total commitment from Hearts players. Which presumably we want?

Not playing it safe? 

Yeah there is no really logic to me thinking it is anything other than bad luck from over commitment  , but it seems like it just can't be down to bad luck , lol 

 

[Unknown user]

6 hours ago, Thomaso said:

 

Back 3 of Berra, Dunne and Souttar would have been fantastic.

 

I make a point of asking "can I see that player in a league winning team?"

 

Three big Yes's right there - imagine if we could keep Dunne!

[deejtee]

8 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

I can and will question them on this forum and anywhere else I please and you or they won’t stop me. I wasn’t saying I was going to track them down, I may well ask a question at the shareholders AGM though. Please don’t think that medical professionals are some sort of gods who don’t regularly make mistakes that can’t be questioned, pick up a newspaper you will find one. How do you know what knowledge or advice ive bern given on this subject? 

You are quite tiresome. Medical professionals don't "regularly make mistakes", they make occasional mistakes and the procedures are in place to try to learn from them. What is true and relevant is that there are cases that are unusual or complex and few tests are 100% sensitive and specific. Hope the knowledge you have been given allows you to understand this but a little knowledge is, as they say, a dangerous thing. You are also free to raise queries on this or other places just try to make them less repetitive and show that you have actually taken on board what people have replied to you. 

As this is a thread about Dunne's injury which appears to have happened in training it would be nice to hear news on his injury and how the club intend to cope with it. Good luck at the AGM with your odd crusade.

[SUTOL]

1 hour ago, deejtee said:

 

As this is a thread about Dunne's injury which appears to have happened in training it would be nice to hear news on his injury and how the club intend to cope with it. 

 

He's back at Burnley, as is usual, for them to assess the injury.

 

On the subject of extending his loan, It's up to Sean Dyche to decide what he wants to do, and he won't be doing that, or at least telling Hearts what his decision is till January.

 

Naismith hoped/expected to be back for Aberdeen game. 

[Morgan]

7 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

He's back at Burnley, as is usual, for them to assess the injury.

 

On the subject of extending his loan, It's up to Sean Dyche to decide what he wants to do, and he won't be doing that, or at least telling Hearts what his decision is till January.

 

Naismith hoped/expected to be back for Aberdeen game.

Good end to the year then, wins versus Aberdeen, Hamilton and then.... the vermin.

 

How good would that be?

[deejtee]

32 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

He's back at Burnley, as is usual, for them to assess the injury.

 

On the subject of extending his loan, It's up to Sean Dyche to decide what he wants to do, and he won't be doing that, or at least telling Hearts what his decision is till January.

 

Naismith hoped/expected to be back for Aberdeen game. 

Ta

[SUTOL]

27 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Good end to the year then, wins versus Aberdeen, Hamilton and then.... the vermin.

 

How good would that be?

 

 

[Morgan]

Just now, SUTOL said:

 

 

With our wee man back, SUTOL, it’s a very realistic, and extremely mouth watering, possibility.

 

 

 

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, deejtee said:

You are quite tiresome. Medical professionals don't "regularly make mistakes", they make occasional mistakes and the procedures are in place to try to learn from them. What is true and relevant is that there are cases that are unusual or complex and few tests are 100% sensitive and specific. Hope the knowledge you have been given allows you to understand this but a little knowledge is, as they say, a dangerous thing. You are also free to raise queries on this or other places just try to make them less repetitive and show that you have actually taken on board what people have replied to you. 

As this is a thread about Dunne's injury which appears to have happened in training it would be nice to hear news on his injury and how the club intend to cope with it. Good luck at the AGM with your odd crusade.

You didn’t have to reply. Dunes out for six weeks with an ankle injury and hopefully he will be back after the winter break.

[FarmerTweedy]

20 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

I know one ex-player who will call everything you have just written utter shite. But what would he know?

There's tons of people who will call what i8 wrote utter shite, mainly because it was utter shite, just like 99.9999% of what he posts any time we're not winning every game.

[FarmerTweedy]

14 hours ago, ramrod said:

This can't just be down to bad luck 

 

Why not?

 

The big problem in my opinion isn't that we've had far more injuries than should be expected, it's that almost all of them are happening to our top players. I don't think anything would seem particularly out of the ordinary if we'd lost a couple of key players plus two or three fringe players but it just seems so much worse because it's our best players that we're losing. 

[The Treasurer]

On ‎04‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 09:43, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Even if Levein is not to blame for our poor training etc he is certainly at fault for the way he is now pissing with the cock he has.

 

Just say Naismith and Uche had never signed for us does that mean that the past 7 weeks of results are acceptable? Does it justify that no Hearts player has scored a goal in 10 hours of football and we are aggregate 1 - 15 in our past 7 games?

 

It is a huge set back but he is dining out on it. Excuses after excuses. Even the refs are to blame for zero points every week. He is a very poor manager. I love him and always will but he is just not a winner.

 

 

But they did sign for Hearts. Thanks in no small part to Levein identifying them and then persuading them to come to the club.

He didn't seem such a poor manager before we lost 4 key players to injury.

[graygo]

Another player who just gets our club and falls in love wth it, hopefully he is back to help us into europe and to lift the cup.

 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3607778/jimmy-dunne-hearts-return-misses-club-teammates/

[EastSideJambo]

Just read his comments. Jimmy comes over as a really good guy. He's obviously really enjoyed his time here 

 

I'm critical of a few things about our football department. What can't be overlooked though is both Dunne and Mitchell have come up here from arguably the biggest league in domestic football and spoke very highly of the coaching staff and the set up at Hearts. That speaks volumes it must be said. Mitchell so much so that he came back for a second spell. Dunne appears keen to do likewise 

 

Scottish football gets a load of stick, much of it from people down south. There needs to be more money in the game up here or we risk falling further behind the major leagues in Europe. It says a huge amount for a club the scale of Hearts in an economic environment such as we have in Scottish football, that we've created an environment where young EPL players speak in such terms 

[kila]

1 hour ago, graygo said:

Another player who just gets our club and falls in love wth it, hopefully he is back to help us into europe and to lift the cup.

 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3607778/jimmy-dunne-hearts-return-misses-club-teammates/

 

The text from the S*n article:

 

 

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Jimmy Dunne hoping for Hearts return as he admits he misses the club and his team-mates

CROCKED defender Jimmy Dunne insists he is desperate to continue his love affair with Hearts.

The on-loan Burnley youngster has returned to his parent club after being ruled out for up to six weeks with an ankle ligament injury.

That would take him past the end of his loan spell at Tynecastle.

But Craig Levein has already enquired about an extension — and Dunne revealed he wants to come back.

The 21-year-old said: “I must admit I’m missing the club. I’m missing the lads, I’m missing the coaches and the staff.

“There is always the possibility I could come back but it’s not something I can think about until my ankle is better.

“It’s a place I’ve loved and if I was to play there again I’d be delighted.

“I didn’t expect to feel as connected to the club as I did.

“I felt connected with the fans and became really close with the lads.

“It happened really quickly and I just kind of fell in love with the club, and now I really feel a part of it.

“I felt like a Hearts player the whole time and I think I’m twice the player that I was before I came up north.

“I honestly couldn’t have developed quicker anywhere else.”
 

[Rudolf]

1 hour ago, graygo said:

Another player who just gets our club and falls in love wth it, hopefully he is back to help us into europe and to lift the cup.

 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3607778/jimmy-dunne-hearts-return-misses-club-teammates/

But why would he want to come back when our trading regime, physios, sports scientists and management are sub standard?

[TyphoonJambo]

44 minutes ago, Rudolf said:

But why would he want to come back when our trading regime, physios, sports scientists and management are sub standard?

Have you been to Burnley? Absolute Shit hole.

[Rudolf]

37 minutes ago, TypoonJambo said:

Have you been to Burnley? Absolute Shit hole.

Beats a training regime that could end his career if you believe some of the trumpets on here though.