Snedescu Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It looked like Arfield was suggesting to Michael Smith, just as he got to the tunnel, that the ball was at waist height. Surely he wasn’t that stupid to be saying that in relation to this incident. He knew exactly what was doing and the only surprises were Bobby was not hurt and Madden actually made one right decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 7 hours ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Can't remember... either @Fozzyonthefence or someone else on one of the threads about Madden - the cheating Hun prick. I certainly didn’t say it should have been a yellow and didn’t see anyone else say that either but might have missed it? I was asking you if Madden was such a cheat why didn’t he just give a yellow? It looked bad from back row of Gorgie but, having seen it on tv too, it looked 10 times worse on tv - I think Madden might have got briefly demoted if he had given a yellow. But for a bit of balance, if Madden is a cheat, rather than incompetent, why didn’t he send off Clare when he had every chance to do that? Surely a rabid, cheating hun would have jumped at the chance to send off Clare? Looks more like he is just a shite ref but the SFA open themselves to conspiracy theories by appointing refs from the West to officiate Rantic games. That doesn’t sit right with me either and we need to look at the way refs are recruited, fast tracked, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corryjambo Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I played for many years in goal for a variety of clubs at different levels and genuinely believe that goalkeepers today are over protected, however had any player jumped/slid into a challenge like that on me I can assure you retribution from my team mates would have been instant and to hell with the consequences. He may not be "that kind of player" but that at the very least is the challenge of a coward and could well have resulted in a serious injury for our keeper. I was once caught accidentally by our centre half with his knee as I came out to collect the ball, I was knocked out cold and spent 2 days in hospital under observation. The speed of that collision was a lot less than the speed Arfield came into that challenge. I shudder to think of the damage he might have caused if he had connected with his knees to the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdannyb Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 hours ago, busby1985 said: He started his slide when bobby only had one hand on the ball. Instantly puts his hands up when he clatters him. He never purposely meant to hurt him. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kingdannyb said: Agreed. He was just really really stupid Maybe not fit to play for a club like Rangers Edited December 3, 2018 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He can be a bit silly, like Morelos. Lay off lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sarah O said: He can be a bit silly, like Morelos. Lay off lads. Real silly sausage, that one. Bit of a card, so he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, kingdannyb said: Agreed. He’s still running for about three strides and not sliding yet whilst Bobby has two hands on the ball! Is there different footage of this going about?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 hours ago, busby1985 said: Am not arguing it wasn’t a stupid challenge, he even knows it was a bad challenge. My point is he never went out to hurt him, it looks really bad, of course it does but I can assure you he never tried to purposely hurt him. If he gets more than a game ban then he deserves it. He’s not that type of boy. Have you spoken to him since the incident or are you just guessing he never went out to hurt him ? He would definitely know Zamal had the ball under control well before contact . Looked to me like he was trying to prove he was a proper Gers man to the Zombies behind the goal . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 If he met the ball the same time as Bobby it’d still be reckless. The fact he takes 4 or 5 strides AFTER Bobby has the ball under control makes it a horrific challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He will be getting an earful next time I see him at Murieston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He was coming at pace but could've (and should've) jumped to the side and landed in that net to avoid Bobby. Reckless and it looks worse watching it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, heartsfc_fan said: He was coming at pace but could've (and should've) jumped to the side and landed in that net to avoid Bobby. Reckless and it looks worse watching it back. I other news all the Scottish TV News is about managers having a go at referees. I warrant that if any Hearts player had behaved like Arfield the news would all about the Hearts animal and a long line of ex professionals calling for a 10 game ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck berrys hairline Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Should we expect anything less from the Celtic supporting prick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorinoJambo Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Miko got ten games for sliding on his arse into a linesman. By that token Arfield should be sine die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 57 minutes ago, Homme said: He will be getting an earful next time I see him at Murieston. Get a video message apology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: He’s still running for about three strides and not sliding yet whilst Bobby has two hands on the ball! Is there different footage of this going about?? Behind goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Might have missed it, but no one gonna mention the fact Morelos was offside in the run up to the incident. From the first shot, he’s offside but it’s missed. Another shocking call by the refereeing team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Behind goal The behind the goals video appears to start from when Zlamal adjusts his hands. Zlamal ran towards the ball and stopped it on the line and slid his body behind it, whilst holding it on the line with two hands. At this stage Arfield is still sprinting towards him, Zlamal then adjusts his hand position (that video starts) and a second after that Arfield begins his slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighenry Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Shocking challenge, he knew what he was doing.. Scary thing is I believe he’d have been given just a yellow had rangers been behind in the match! Edited December 3, 2018 by Bighenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: The behind the goals video appears to start from when Zlamal adjusts his hands. Zlamal ran towards the ball and stopped it on the line and slid his body behind it, whilst holding it on the line with two hands. At this stage Arfield is still sprinting towards him, Zlamal then adjusts his hand position (that video starts) and a second after that Arfield begins his slide. Better view from behind the goals in this video. Turn the sound down though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 27 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Behind goal If he'd arrived a split second after Bobby got his hand to the ball it would still be reckless and a red card, you can't just launch yourself in the direction of a grounded player's head! As it actually was, he was still on his feet and outside the box at this point - it's pretty shocking. He'll surely pick up an extra ban for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Madden brought out red card straight away Wondered how I didn't see the card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Watched this again on Sky Sports ref watch this morning. They all had a chuckle about it being the most obvious red card of the weekend and, collectively, asked what Arfield was thinking about. And yet there are some in the media up here arguing that a yellow may have sufficed. Even Madden couldn’t shirk that one. He might have excused Morellis for just being silly, if it had been him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Papa said: You can bet that if it was a Hearts player that done this then there would be a witch hunt in the media this morning. 100 % Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, ramrod said: Have you spoken to him since the incident or are you just guessing he never went out to hurt him ? He would definitely know Zamal had the ball under control well before contact . Looked to me like he was trying to prove he was a proper Gers man to the Zombies behind the goal . I spoke with him yesterday. He didn’t realise the keeper was as in control of the ball till after seeing the replay. He thought it wasn’t under control and felt he could score. No malice in it, shook hands after it. Split second to make the decision and wanted to score, out his hands up immediately to say “I’ve f**ked it”. He’s no that type of boy. I understand why folk are annoyed at it and if he gets further punishment then fair play. Just not having he is some sort of monster looking to injure or kill another player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, busby1985 said: I spoke with him yesterday. He didn’t realise the keeper was as in control of the ball till after seeing the replay. He thought it wasn’t under control and felt he could score. No malice in it, shook hands after it. Split second to make the decision and wanted to score, out his hands up immediately to say “I’ve f**ked it”. He’s no that type of boy. I understand why folk are annoyed at it and if he gets further punishment then fair play. Just not having he is some sort of monster looking to injure or kill another player. Whether he thought the ball was under control or not, he launched himself in the direction of a grounded player's head. I've not accused him of malicious intent, but it was very very dangerous and very reckless. He deserves a ban above the red card for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: There was an incident like that in a game once v Rangers. The Celtic goalkeeper John Thomson died after a knee to the head. It was very reckless. Precisely what I thought at the time. This one was definitely the attacker's fault though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, Smithee said: Whether he thought the ball was under control or not, he launched himself in the direction of a grounded player's head. I've not accused him of malicious intent, but it was very very dangerous and very reckless. He deserves a ban above the red card for it. I wouldn’t argue if he got a further ban. Split second decision and he felt he could score, not “am gonna do him” like some have made out. It was a shocker, no arguments here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, busby1985 said: I wouldn’t argue if he got a further ban. Split second decision and he felt he could score, not “am gonna do him” like some have made out. It was a shocker, no arguments here. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, busby1985 said: I spoke with him yesterday. He didn’t realise the keeper was as in control of the ball till after seeing the replay. He thought it wasn’t under control and felt he could score. No malice in it, shook hands after it. Split second to make the decision and wanted to score, out his hands up immediately to say “I’ve f**ked it”. He’s no that type of boy. I understand why folk are annoyed at it and if he gets further punishment then fair play. Just not having he is some sort of monster looking to injure or kill another player. No agenda from me against the boy but "split second decision" -sorry no - he was outside the 6 yard box when Bobby clearly had possession he then took 3 more steps and then launched himself at his head. Bobby's arms were at full stretch and had no way to protect himself. Only Arfield will know what his intentions were but the evidence is damning, and fortunate he did not break his neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Arfield is a lucky boy His career would have been over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolio Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 51 minutes ago, busby1985 said: I spoke with him yesterday. He didn’t realise the keeper was as in control of the ball till after seeing the replay. He thought it wasn’t under control and felt he could score. No malice in it, shook hands after it. Split second to make the decision and wanted to score, out his hands up immediately to say “I’ve f**ked it”. He’s no that type of boy. I understand why folk are annoyed at it and if he gets further punishment then fair play. Just not having he is some sort of monster looking to injure or kill another player. Your 'football friend''s done you like a kipper Snowflake cause, on several levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 42 minutes ago, Coolio said: Your 'football friend''s done you like a kipper Snowflake cause, on several levels ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, merrymac said: No agenda from me against the boy but "split second decision" -sorry no - he was outside the 6 yard box when Bobby clearly had possession he then took 3 more steps and then launched himself at his head. Bobby's arms were at full stretch and had no way to protect himself. Only Arfield will know what his intentions were but the evidence is damning, and fortunate he did not break his neck. We will never know how it looked to Scotty at the time. I believe he never meant to hurt bobby and believe he was punished correctly with the red. If it’s looked at and they think it deserves more then I won’t complain. Just not having the he tried to kill him, hurt him, endear himself to the huns blah blah blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, busby1985 said: We will never know how it looked to Scotty at the time. I believe he never meant to hurt bobby and believe he was punished correctly with the red. If it’s looked at and they think it deserves more then I won’t complain. Just not having the he tried to kill him, hurt him, endear himself to the huns blah blah blah. That bit I could entirely believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, busby1985 said: We will never know how it looked to Scotty at the time. I believe he never meant to hurt bobby and believe he was punished correctly with the red. If it’s looked at and they think it deserves more then I won’t complain. Just not having the he tried to kill him, hurt him, endear himself to the huns blah blah blah. “Scotty” ****ing “Scotty”? Did you suck “Scotty’s” dick before the game?? Is he some sort of mate of yours? He slid into a guys head with his ****ing knees. The hardest part of this legs. If I kneed a guy in the head I’d expect locked up. Edited December 3, 2018 by Jammy T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jammy T said: “Scotty” ****ing “Scotty”? Did you suck “Scotty’s” dick before the game?? Is he some sort of mate of yours? He slid into a guys head with his ****ing knees. The hardest part of this legs. If I kneed a guy in the head I’d expect locked up. I will ask Scott Arfield if I can suck his cock tomorrow and report back mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, busby1985 said: I will ask Scott Arfield if I can suck his cock tomorrow and report back mate. Don't think you need to ask TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Ibrahim Tall said: Dont talk shite, I’ve knew Scott since he was a kid. He isn’t a ‘thug’ at all, it was a stupid tackle and definite red but he isn’t the type to deliberately hurt someone. Yer mate's a Rangers ****, he acted like a Rangers **** because he thought he's get away with being a Rangers ****. The 2nd, longer view clip shows how long he had to pull out the challenge. Ample time, more than enough to not go through as he did. Stop defending the Rangers ****. He's also ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, busby1985 said: I spoke with him yesterday. He didn’t realise the keeper was as in control of the ball till after seeing the replay. He thought it wasn’t under control and felt he could score. No malice in it, shook hands after it. Split second to make the decision and wanted to score, out his hands up immediately to say “I’ve f**ked it”. He’s no that type of boy. I understand why folk are annoyed at it and if he gets further punishment then fair play. Just not having he is some sort of monster looking to injure or kill another player. Edited December 4, 2018 by Bridge of Djoum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 8 hours ago, busby1985 said: I spoke with him yesterday. He didn’t realise the keeper was as in control of the ball till after seeing the replay. He thought it wasn’t under control and felt he could score. No malice in it, shook hands after it. Split second to make the decision and wanted to score, out his hands up immediately to say “I’ve f**ked it”. He’s no that type of boy. I understand why folk are annoyed at it and if he gets further punishment then fair play. Just not having he is some sort of monster looking to injure or kill another player. Utter nonsense and i'd hope you're a bit more intelligent than you're making out here to be honest. Split second? As the still at the start of the video above shows, he's still on his feet and still outside the 6 yard box when our keeper has the ball under control. He was NEVER getting that ball fairly and had AMPLE time to pull out of that 'challenge'. As for the putting his hands up immediately - you're saying that was his admission that he'd 'fkd it' - not how I saw it at all - didn't even try to check the keeper is ok after it - the hand gestures I saw were more the kinda thing you do to protest innocence than they were about any kinda apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Erik said: Utter nonsense and i'd hope you're a bit more intelligent than you're making out here to be honest. Split second? As the still at the start of the video above shows, he's still on his feet and still outside the 6 yard box when our keeper has the ball under control. He was NEVER getting that ball fairly and had AMPLE time to pull out of that 'challenge'. As for the putting his hands up immediately - you're saying that was his admission that he'd 'fkd it' - not how I saw it at all - didn't even try to check the keeper is ok after it - the hand gestures I saw were more the kinda thing you do to protest innocence than they were about any kinda apology. Okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, busby1985 said: Okay. At School we used to call those a "flying tackle" quite different from a "sliding tackle" A "flying tackle" was only ever done by one type of guy- usually the hard man thug who wanted you to know he was the big man, and was invariably an utter **** off the field too. The "flying tackle" was executed with full knowledge it was going to do damage- they were NEVER accidental or even out of control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Scot Arfield is a twat. Anyone that disagrees with that is either a Hun or a twat or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 12 hours ago, Captain Sausage said: Might have missed it, but no one gonna mention the fact Morelos was offside in the run up to the incident. From the first shot, he’s offside but it’s missed. Another shocking call by the refereeing team. I did notice that when watching the highlights and was surprised Sportscene never mentioned the offside. They seem to love any controversy in the show rather than highlighting any decent football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanbauld Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Not uncommon for Rangers players to intentionally try to cripple an opposition player, has everyone forgotten the championship game and Millers career ending tackle on Kevin McHattie and in the same game an attempt on Callum Paterson by I think Kris Boyd not to mention the persistent fouling by the majority of the present Rangers team, can only think it is a trait encouraged by their management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Let's just hope no-one does a Neil Simpson on the cowardly, hun, thug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punks No Deid Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, alanbauld said: Not uncommon for Rangers players to intentionally try to cripple an opposition player, has everyone forgotten the championship game and Millers career ending tackle on Kevin McHattie and in the same game an attempt on Callum Paterson by I think Kris Boyd not to mention the persistent fouling by the majority of the present Rangers team, can only think it is a trait encouraged by their management. Was Big Brad that Boyd tried to maim, their full back Smith got a straight red for a shocker on Callum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 20 hours ago, EH16 said: The commentator said it was the BT ref that said it was a yellow, (ie: ex ref that gives his opinion on decisions) they had him stationed at Hampden for the cup final, It is Not an actual SFA ref from Hampden. Cheers for that mate, didn't realise that, still beggars belief his comments however, and I guarantee you that had the exact same challenge been made on McGregor, that he wouldn't have said the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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