Jeremy Corbyn

[Cade]

Labour adopts the full IHRA definition.

 

Newspapers gonna be like: 

 

[maroonlegions]

BBC covering this , not.

 

 Michael Crick from Channel 4 News was there. We’ll see tonight at 7 if he includes this in his report. He seemed more interested in filming the far right demonstrators calling Chris Williamson a fascist from the other side of the protest.

 

A group of Orthodox Jews have now joined the pro-Corbyn side of the ongoing IHRA demonstration outside Labour HQ.

 

Far right media and individuals deliberately  manipulating Anti Zionist to mean the same as  Anti- Semitism. 

 

Its been a desperate  Tory far/right smear campaign and also by the right of the Labour party (red tories),against a man they are shitting it from.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2018 by maroonlegions

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

You'd have to be mental to think Corbyn could run the country. Wholly unfit for it.

[Boris]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

You'd have to be mental to think Corbyn could run the country. Wholly unfit for it.

That's as maybe, but the current lot, and their heirs in waiting, are proving they are not up to it.

 

Thing is, we may be hitting a point where our socio-political-economic comfort zone is fading and perhaps a radical political, and by default economic, recalibration is in the offing. It happens every so often, usually every few hundred years in this country's experience, but maybe we are on that cusp?

[Scnorthedinburgh]

4 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

BBC covering this , not.

 

 Michael Crick from Channel 4 News was there. We’ll see tonight at 7 if he includes this in his report. He seemed more interested in filming the far right demonstrators calling Chris Williamson a fascist from the other side of the protest.

 

A group of Orthodox Jews have now joined the pro-Corbyn side of the ongoing IHRA demonstration outside Labour HQ.

 

Far right media and individuals deliberately  manipulating Anti Zionist to mean the same as  Anti- Semitism. 

 

Its been a desperate  Tory far/right smear campaign and also by the right of the Labour party (red tories),against a man they are shitting it from.

 

 

 

 

 

No it's Labour taking so long punching itself in the face over wording, that they lost the ground.

As your picture shows some Jewish people not living in Israel don't agree with the treatment of the Palestinians.

It's a sane point of view.

But when more and more of the Labour leadership couldn't separate a nation from a religion what did you expect from the press.

[Cade]

14 minutes ago, Scnorthedinburgh said:

 

But when more and more of the Labour leadership couldn't separate a nation from a religion what did you expect from the press.

It's the other way around.

Right wing zionists are attempting to conflate any criticism of the apartheid regime in Israel with antisemitism.

[jake]

5 hours ago, Cade said:

Labour adopts the full IHRA definition.

 

Newspapers gonna be like: 

 

Do you accept it?

[jake]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

It's the other way around.

Right wing zionists are attempting to conflate any criticism of the apartheid regime in Israel with antisemitism.

Apartheid?

Right wing Zionists.

 

Houston we have a brainwashed

[Scnorthedinburgh]

2 minutes ago, Cade said:

It's the other way around.

Right wing zionists are attempting to conflate any criticism of the apartheid regime in Israel with antisemitism.

No

Instead of saying what Israel is doing wrong it's using the z word a j word.

If you don't agree with them in Palestine just say it.

Very few people would be upset at you saying the country has issues it needs to fix.

[NANOJAMBO]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

It's the other way around.

Right wing zionists are attempting to conflate any criticism of the apartheid regime in Israel with antisemitism.

This. 

 

Hence the reason why they were savvy enough to get this included in the many definitions of anti semitism. 

 

They were also savvy enough to make sure that any  comparison of Israeli policy with Nazi Germany is also "recognised" as anti semitism. 

 

IMO that is why Labour have taken so long to accept the above , because it removes legitimate criticism of Israeli policy from public debate. 

[Geoff the Mince]

7 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

This. 

 

Hence the reason why they were savvy enough to get this included in the many definitions of anti semitism. 

 

They were also savvy enough to make sure that any  comparison of Israeli policy with Nazi Germany is also "recognised" as anti semitism. 

 

IMO that is why Labour have taken so long to accept the above , because it removes legitimate criticism of Israeli policy from public debate. 

Do you think it's acceptable to compare Israel to Nazi Germany ? 

[Boris]

1 hour ago, Geoff the Mince said:

Do you think it's acceptable to compare Israel to Nazi Germany ? 

 

If there is a case for the comparison, then why not?

[Boris]

11 hours ago, Boris said:

That's as maybe, but the current lot, and their heirs in waiting, are proving they are not up to it.

 

Thing is, we may be hitting a point where our socio-political-economic comfort zone is fading and perhaps a radical political, and by default economic, recalibration is in the offing. It happens every so often, usually every few hundred years in this country's experience, but maybe we are on that cusp?

 

Interesting...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/05/thinktank-calls-for-major-overhaul-of-britains-economy 

Edited September 5, 2018 by Boris

[Geoff the Mince]

23 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

If there is a case for the comparison, then why not?

Is Israel commiting genocide?  

[Boris]

10 minutes ago, Geoff the Mince said:

Is Israel commiting genocide?  

 

I don't know.  They seem to be a bit trigger happy with the Palestinians.  Some may say that is the thin end of the genocidal wedge.

 

Some have said that the Israeli nation-state law has parallels to the Nuremberg Laws of the Nazi regime, so perhaps that is where the comparison comes from?

 

 

Edited September 5, 2018 by Boris

[Boris]

9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Well it’s headline grabbing it’s not even close to being a proposal for a major overhaul of the economy. In fact most those sort of things are floated to various degrees by various parties.

 

Alterations to minimum wage/zero hours contracts, devolution of economic powers and introduction of a wealth tax covers all that stuff.

 

On what I have read on it.... some stuff yeah, some stuff meh and some stuff neh. However, it ain’t a major overhaul or sign the economy is about to move direction. 

 

It’s about as indicative of anything as say a document produced by IEA saying privatise NHS,  deregulate and scrap minimum wage. 

 

You are right, any think tank proposal is merely floating ideas.  I'm not en sure a major overhaul is necessary, rather a recalibration.

 

However (and this goes for whichever think tank) it shows that there are new ideas about which is no bad thing as I think things in general (politics/economics etc) seem to have really stagnated.  At one end you have populism in the guise of Trump, at the other you have populism in the form of Corbyn.

 

Something has to give, but it has to have substance, unlike Bill Clinton and Blair's "third way" which turned out a bit Empperors new clothes (imo).

[systemx]

Someone help me out please.Have the Tories,Liberals and SNP signed up to IHRA definition?

[Seymour M Hersh]

13 hours ago, jake said:

Do you accept it?

 

He'll definitely accept the extra clause (and it's not Santa).

 

Corbyn accused of trying to 'sully' anti-Semitism definition by allowing Israel's creation to be described as 'racist'

[maroonlegions]

On 04/09/2018 at 11:28, XB52 said:

Got to in one. The world stood up against apartheid in South Africa, although the tories had to be dragged kicking and screaming into that stand. The religious right here and, more importantly, in the USA have so much power that this will never be the case for the Israeli state

Agree.

 

'On 4 September, the NEC met to finalise its code of conduct on antisemitism. To coincide with this, Jewish groups, individuals and Labour members organised a protest outside Labour’s London HQ in solidarity with Palestine. 

 

This is because some examples curtail criticism of the Israeli government’s occupation of Palestine. Now nearly 400 protesters gathered in solidarity with Palestine. But also  members of the UK’s most extremist far-right groups gathered to counter-protest.  And look who were spotted in that group.
 

 

The line-up is like a vile Who’s who? of the far right. Many present are also “working supporters” of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson). On this protest, many draped themselves in Israeli flags. One noted far right fasscit  was  Paul Besser. Besser  who is a well known as an anti-Palestinian activist. He was also Britain First’s “intelligence officer”. Besser has previously promoted far-right ideology with known “anti-Palestinian extremist” Sharon Klaff, who was also present outside the Labour HQ.' 

 

 

[Section Q]

21 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

BBC covering this , not.

 

 Michael Crick from Channel 4 News was there. We’ll see tonight at 7 if he includes this in his report. He seemed more interested in filming the far right demonstrators calling Chris Williamson a fascist from the other side of the protest.

 

A group of Orthodox Jews have now joined the pro-Corbyn side of the ongoing IHRA demonstration outside Labour HQ.

 

Far right media and individuals deliberately  manipulating Anti Zionist to mean the same as  Anti- Semitism. 

 

Its been a desperate  Tory far/right smear campaign and also by the right of the Labour party (red tories),against a man they are shitting it from.

 

 

 

 

 

Hobos by the look of them....!

[XB52]

6 hours ago, Geoff the Mince said:

Is Israel commiting genocide?  

Yes, next question

[Geoff the Mince]

13 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Yes, next question

Are Russians committing genocide on Ukranians  ? 

[maroonlegions]

Corbyn indeed. Smears are working well.

 

 

 

Westminster voting intention:

 

Labour Gains a Four-Point Lead Over the Conservatives as UKIP Picks Up Support;

 

State of the parties (UK) ;

Conservative 37% (-1), Labour 41% (+1), Lib Dem 6% (-4), SNP 3% (NC), UKIP 7% (+4), Green 2% (NC), AP 4% (-2)

 

 

Link: https://www.survation.com/labour-gains-four-point-lead-over…

 

 

?

[maroonlegions]

On 04/09/2018 at 11:28, XB52 said:

Got to in one. The world stood up against apartheid in South Africa, although the tories had to be dragged kicking and screaming into that stand. The religious right here and, more importantly, in the USA have so much power that this will never be the case for the Israeli state

 

 

They were indeed dragged kicking and screaming , in fact they were calling Mandela a terrorist , as was Thatcher, all you need to know about these horrible reptiles who try and pass it off that we are all in it together and that they give a feck.

 

 

 

 

 

[maroonlegions]

[maroonlegions]

Margaret Hodge, not knowing her arse from her elbow it seems.

 

The hypocrisy of Hodge!  The red Tories within the Labour party are so desperate for this smear to stick on Corbyn that some are just now takling out of their sun dont shines.

 

 

[maroonlegions]

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, its the fault of the single mum on benefits and those in work using food banks that caused the need for austerity .

 

?

 

[Geoff the Mince]

The  weird Palestine flag waving left have taken over the Asylum .

[Governor Tarkin]

19 hours ago, Cade said:

It's the other way around.

Right wing zionists are attempting to conflate any criticism of the apartheid regime in Israel with antisemitism.

 

[ri Alban]

9 hours ago, Geoff the Mince said:

Is Israel commiting genocide?  

Yes. They're trying to wipe out the Palestinian people. 

[Governor Tarkin]

10 hours ago, Geoff the Mince said:

Do you think it's acceptable to compare Israel to Nazi Germany ? 

 

One called itself the master race, the other are god's chosen people. 

 

What does that make the rest of us?

 

I'll let you draw the parallels.

Edited September 5, 2018 by Governor Tarkin

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

 

 

They were indeed dragged kicking and screaming , in fact they were calling Mandela a terrorist , as was Thatcher, all you need to know about these horrible reptiles who try and pass it off that we are all in it together and that they give a feck.

 

 

 

 

 

[Geoff the Mince]

12 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Yes. They're trying to wipe out the Palestinian people. 

Even the over 1 million who live and work in Israel ? 

[ri Alban]

Just now, Geoff the Mince said:

Even the over 1 million who live and work in Israel ? 

They'll be next, as soon as Gaza and the west Bank become Israel. A disgrace what GB did given these zionists Palestine.  They had no right or claim to the holy land.  Turns ma stomach. 

[Governor Tarkin]

26 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

A disgrace what GB did given these zionists Palestine. 

 

You REALLY hate GB don't you. 

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

You REALLY hate GB don't you. 

No, just Wm. 

[Governor Tarkin]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

No, just Wm. 

 

I'd wager that the majority of GB holds WM in a similar contempt to the one that you do.

[jake]

5 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

One called itself the master race, the other are god's chosen people. 

 

What does that make the rest of us?

 

I'll let you draw the parallels.

Most religions refer to their followers as being above non believers.

That does in no way compare jews with a group of people hell bent on exterminating not only jews but those deemed inferior.

 

So inviting someone to draw parallels is way of the mark.

[jake]

4 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

You REALLY hate GB don't you. 

No he just hates English people.

Fell hook line and sinker for that wonderful Scotsman Mel Gibson.

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

3 minutes ago, jake said:

Most religions refer to their followers as being above non believers.

That does in no way compare jews with a group of people hell bent on exterminating not only jews but those deemed inferior.

 

So inviting someone to draw parallels is way of the mark.

 

It really isn't, jake.

 

 

[maroonlegions]

[maroonlegions]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Boab]

On 05/09/2018 at 16:57, maroonlegions said:

Margaret Hodge, not knowing her arse from her elbow it seems.

 

The hypocrisy of Hodge!  The red Tories within the Labour party are so desperate for this smear to stick on Corbyn that some are just now takling out of their sun dont shines.

 

 

Have a wee read of Hodge's tax affairs.

This **** shouldn't be criticising anyone !

[ri Alban]

Tbf, JC isn't half as bad as that weasel Vince Cable.  Who I used to think was OK. 

Edited September 6, 2018 by ri Alban

[Victorian]

Tony Blair mumping about how it may be impossible to "take back" the Labour Party from "the left".     The current party not having enough appeal to win an ouright majority.

 

No Tony... the Labour Party belongs with the left.     The Labour Party is what it's ever growing membership wants it to be.      If you want a party of 'moderates' to occupy the centre then start a new one.     You have no rights over the Labour Party.       It's called philosophy shaping a party.    Not what parasites like you want.     To shape philosophy around electability.

 

*****.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

54 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Tony Blair mumping about how it may be impossible to "take back" the Labour Party from "the left".     The current party not having enough appeal to win an ouright majority.

 

No Tony... the Labour Party belongs with the left.     The Labour Party is what it's ever growing membership wants it to be.      If you want a party of 'moderates' to occupy the centre then start a new one.     You have no rights over the Labour Party.       It's called philosophy shaping a party.    Not what parasites like you want.     To shape philosophy around electability.

 

*****.

 

Trouble is, Corbyn is such a that I can see people who would generally want Blair to jump off a cliff actually welcoming him back.

[Jambo Jim]

36 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

 

Trouble is, Corbyn is such a that I can see people who would generally want Blair to jump off a cliff actually welcoming him back.

A Left Wing Labour Party, something Blair would not understand. He and the Tory element within the Labour Party that has and is still trying to make it the lesser of two Tory evils can piss off. The sooner he jumps off a big F......g cliff the better. The working class that still believe the Tory propaganda pumped out through the press and the BBC and vote accordingly are really getting all they deserve, and post Brexit, if it happens, it will get a lot worse.

[Boab]

4 hours ago, Victorian said:

Tony Blair mumping about how it may be impossible to "take back" the Labour Party from "the left".     The current party not having enough appeal to win an ouright majority.

 

No Tony... the Labour Party belongs with the left.     The Labour Party is what it's ever growing membership wants it to be.      If you want a party of 'moderates' to occupy the centre then start a new one.     You have no rights over the Labour Party.       It's called philosophy shaping a party.    Not what parasites like you want.     To shape philosophy around electability.

 

*****.

 

This is what this whole thing is about. The anti-semitism smear is running out of steam so the conspirators call on this **** to go at it from a different angle.

Must think people are clueless. **** off, Blair and start up a new SDP.....see where that gets you !

[The Brow]

9 hours ago, Boab said:

 

This is what this whole thing is about. The anti-semitism smear is running out of steam so the conspirators call on this **** to go at it from a different angle.

Must think people are clueless. **** off, Blair and start up a new SDP.....see where that gets you !

It would probably get him elected again, looking at the mess the Tories and Labour are currently making. 

 

Labour should be miles ahead, but they're not. If a proper centralist party was to come in. appeal to the middle man and come across as a genuine alternative to the two shithouse parties we have, then I think they would do well.

 

Its all pie in the sky though as it isnt going to happen, much like Labour winning the next election. 

 

 

[Victorian]

People don't want a Labour Party that does and says whatever ot takes to get elected.     They want a Labour Party to form and adopt policy from the bottom-up.     Only a group of parasitical,  power hungry,  political elitists want another version of a gravy train.       

 

If the Labour Party is so toxic for the so-called moderates then they should start a new party.     It might well be successful by taking vote share from every other party.      Blair and the rump of his hangers-on should have the courage of their convictions... whatever those might be on any given day.     Take the Hodge lunatic with you.