Seymour M Hersh Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Boris said: Managed to read it via a database at work. Some operation Mayer had going on! Unbelievable wasn't it. And an ex president as a pall bearer. Jesus really did weep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 23 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Hollywood is a cesspit of debauchery and depravity and has been this way since Louis B Mayer and probably before him. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2017/10/10/monster-mgm-louis-b-mayer-terrorised-hollywoods-women-long-harvey/ Yes he was a nasty abusive piece of shit. Apparently was particularly abusive ( not sexual ) to a young Judy Garland saying she was ugly untalented etc. It affected her levels of self confidence and self esteem and we all know what happened to her in later life. Many other males in Hollywood similar to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: I seriously hope you’re not suggesting the way she is dressed is relevant. Make of it what you want old chap but I'll reiterate my previous comment that Hollywood is a cesspit of debauchery and depravity. All of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Make of it what you want old chap but I'll reiterate my previous comment that Hollywood is a cesspit of debauchery and depravity. All of it. I've been holding off commenting on your choice of photo but since you've commented I think I will. If you do an image search for Rose McGowan on Google this image or similar appears in about the 5th or 6th row of results, then as you scroll down you don't see it again for a long time. Almost as if your choice had an agenda. Quite what the agenda is I'm not sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tazio said: I've been holding off commenting on your choice of photo but since you've commented I think I will. If you do an image search for Rose McGowan on Google this image or similar appears in about the 5th or 6th row of results, then as you scroll down you don't see it again for a long time. Almost as if your choice had an agenda. Quite what the agenda is I'm not sure... Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviskan Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Aye...she must have deserved it dressed like that huh? I mean, she’s clearly easy if she wears stuff like that, so was probably asking for it. Literally, pathetic... Edited October 13, 2017 by Deviskan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Unbelievable wasn't it. And an ex president as a pall bearer. Jesus really did weep! Plus ca change... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gordons Gloves Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Make of it what you want old chap but I'll reiterate my previous comment that Hollywood is a cesspit of debauchery and depravity. All of it. Maybe you're right - maybe Hollywood is a cesspit of debauchery and depravity. Maybe that's a good reason to find a picture of an actress who is alleging she has been raped and make sure the picture you find is one that shows her wearing revealing clothing. Maybe she's also wearing that because as a result of her experiences she has trouble with self esteem or trouble with understanding who she is and feels that it's expected of her to play to the stereotype. Lots of maybes but i'll go with my assumption that you're victim shaming and as a result are as out of order as anyone else that says "she deserved it" Edited October 13, 2017 by Craig Gordons Gloves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said: Maybe you're right - maybe Hollywood is a cesspit of debauchery and depravity. Maybe that's a good reason to find a picture of an actress who is alleging she has been raped and make sure the picture you find is one that shows her wearing revealing clothing. Maybe she's also wearing that because as a result of her experiences she has trouble with self esteem or trouble with understanding who she is and feels that it's expected of her to play to the stereotype. Lots of maybes but i'll go with my assumption that you're victim shaming and as a result are as out of order as anyone else that says "she deserved it" I think you're probably right, CGG. And what's more shameful than Seymour's original posting of that photo is his/her refusal to even attempt to justify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, BarneyBattles said: Hope you don’t get called up for jury duty. Ever. Been there, done that got the T-shirt, twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said: Maybe you're right - maybe Hollywood is a cesspit of debauchery and depravity. Maybe that's a good reason to find a picture of an actress who is alleging she has been raped and make sure the picture you find is one that shows her wearing revealing clothing. Maybe she's also wearing that because as a result of her experiences she has trouble with self esteem or trouble with understanding who she is and feels that it's expected of her to play to the stereotype. Lots of maybes but i'll go with my assumption that you're victim shaming and as a result are as out of order as anyone else that says "she deserved it" You're making many assumptions there and all are wrong. HW is a cretinous slug clearly and has behaved beyond repulsively and will hopefully get what he deserves (although I have my doubts as there seems to be little or no evidence to back up the claims and Mcgowan telling the Amazon boss she is the evidence probably won't get a conviction in court). At no time have I even slightly inferred or suggested that she deserved anything by the way. I'm merely reminding people of what a midden Hollywood is and how on one hand men and women shamelessly flaunt themselves sexually for the cameras and then cry foul when it suits them. Oh and I think that picture pre dates any alleged rape as it was the late 90's iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: Judge pickles. The main man?? I look rather fetching in a black cap (hang em high!!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Having been an eyewitness to two rapes, I can attest that no one deserves that, or in both cases the violence that accompanied the forced sexual act. The one woman who lived in Edinburgh will if she is alive be in her middle to late seventies, I would imagine her memory of the incident is as clear as mine. Unfair and tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 He’s a long way to go before Hollywood give him the standing ovation they gave Polanski at the Oscars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 And then we have the ****ers that work with Polanski and Woody Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: And then we have the ****ers that work with Polanski and Woody Allen Said the exact same last night. How many of the people who are coming out now and speaking about Weinstein have been happy to make films with Polanski and Allen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ivan Drago said: Said the exact same last night. How many of the people who are coming out now and speaking about Weinstein have been happy to make films with Polanski and Allen? They can’t say they knew nothing about Polanski, since he was already convicted, with what was a horrificand disgusting crime. Ewan McGregor even done an interview where he said how much of a nice guy he was. Edited October 14, 2017 by Paolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 11 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I'm merely reminding people of what a midden Hollywood is and how on one hand men and women shamelessly flaunt themselves sexually for the cameras and then cry foul when it suits them. I'm fairly certain that rape never suits them, and that flaunting themselves for cameras has no bearing on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 11 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I'm merely reminding people of what a midden Hollywood is and how on one hand men and women shamelessly flaunt themselves sexually for the cameras and then cry foul when it suits them. God, I must have been transferred back to the Dark Ages overnight. We have to break this link between how people dress and whether they deserve to be raped or sexually molested as a result. There should be no correlation whatsoever. Seriously, your archaic views would go down well with the Taliban. Also, "cry foul when it suits them" shows a complete lack of empathy for why someone who has been sexually attacked may psychologically not want to let everyone know about it, especially in an environment of bullying, intimidation and potential ostracisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 hours ago, redjambo said: God, I must have been transferred back to the Dark Ages overnight. We have to break this link between how people dress and whether they deserve to be raped or sexually molested as a result. There should be no correlation whatsoever. Seriously, your archaic views would go down well with the Taliban. Also, "cry foul when it suits them" shows a complete lack of empathy for why someone who has been sexually attacked may psychologically not want to let everyone know about it, especially in an environment of bullying, intimidation and potential ostracisation. I have, once again, not suggested she deserved to be raped, allegedly, because of what she was wearing (who knows or cares what she was wearing when the alleged incident took place) it's the double standards and hypocrisy of Hollywood's liberal luvvies. By saying nothing at the time of the alleged assault/rapes/harassment, for whatever reason and in the case of Jolie it was purely down to her career, their silence condemned other young women to exactly the same fate. That's what I find a very difficult circle to square. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I have, once again, not suggested she deserved to be raped, allegedly, because of what she was wearing (who knows or cares what she was wearing when the alleged incident took place) it's the double standards and hypocrisy of Hollywood's liberal luvvies. By saying nothing at the time of the alleged assault/rapes/harassment, for whatever reason and in the case of Jolie it was purely down to her career, their silence condemned other young women to exactly the same fate. That's what I find a very difficult circle to square. I think you let yourself in for it by posting the picture but I agree with the above and I too am not blaming anyone in any way for being assaulted. . It is certainly a different world (after no-one would turn up to the company annual awards ceremony in that dress). As I said you can understand silence in the circumstances like the ones quoted where the victim faces destitution for herself and the kids, but for risking not getting a good part in a movie? If a circle of people in a company know that a senior employee is sexually abusing junior members of staff do they make or complaint or keep shtum to protect their career or annual bonus? (I recognise at least some of the victims did complain but most did not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: I think you let yourself in for it by posting the picture but I agree with the above and I too am not blaming anyone in any way for being assaulted. . It is certainly a different world (after no-one would turn up to the company annual awards ceremony in that dress). As I said you can understand silence in the circumstances like the ones quoted where the victim faces destitution for herself and the kids, but for risking not getting a good part in a movie? If a circle of people in a company know that a senior employee is sexually abusing junior members of staff do they make or complaint or keep shtum to protect their career or annual bonus? (I recognise at least some of the victims did complain but most did not). Perhaps FA but it was the easy choice to highlight, imo, the rank hypocrisy of Hollywood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ivan Drago Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Perhaps FA but it was the easy choice to highlight, imo, the rank hypocrisy of Hollywood. What hypocrisy does that picture highlight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Frank said: Imagine the reaction to a similar montage with trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Ivan Drago said: What hypocrisy does that picture highlight? Without denying that she was in no way to be blamed for being allegedly raped it maybe suggests that she might have some reason to be considered as a sex object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Imagine the reaction to a similar montage with trump. No need to imagine These photo sessions don't mean anything. If you're a national candidate, you show up at these $1000/plate fundraisers and part of the deal is that everyone gets a picture with you. If you want to criticizes Clinton for standing next to an accused serial harasser, criticize her for standing next to Bill for years. That's legitimate. Edited October 14, 2017 by Ugly American Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Ugly American said: No need to imagine These photo sessions don't mean anything. If you're a national candidate, you show up at these $1000/plate fundraisers and part of the deal is that everyone gets a picture with you. If you want to criticizes Clinton for standing next to an accused serial harasser, criticize her for standing next to Bill for years. That's legitimate. Has to be said trump seems a little more distanced from the sex prredators Edited October 14, 2017 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, Ugly American said: No need to imagine These photo sessions don't mean anything. If you're a national candidate, you show up at these $1000/plate fundraisers and part of the deal is that everyone gets a picture with you. If you want to criticizes Clinton for standing next to an accused serial harasser, criticize her for standing next to Bill for years. That's legitimate. You are quite correct in what you say, however, there is the small matter of this below which I am sure is all made up shite. Non the less, she has said she will give it all to charity. The Clinton foundation? So, how much money has Weinstein donated or raised for Clinton over the years? According to a tally of political donations maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics, Weinstein directly donated $21,400 to Clinton between 1999 and 2016. Weinstein also donated $33,590.45 to the Hillary Clinton Victory Fund, according to Federal Election Commission filings, and $15,000 to HillPAC, Clinton’s earlier political action committee, according to the Center for Responsive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Francis Albert said: Without denying that she was in no way to be blamed for being allegedly raped it maybe suggests that she might have some reason to be considered as a sex object. Still not getting it. What do you mean by sex object? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Asking for it, she was. Well done to the "lads" who claim that. And we even have one of our resident extreme rightists trying to use Weinstein's behaviour to promote their agenda. Just another Saturday afternoon/evening in the Shed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Asking for it, she was. Well done to the "lads" who claim that. And we even have one of our resident extreme rightists trying to use Weinstein's behaviour to promote their agenda. Just another Saturday afternoon/evening in the Shed. No "lads" have claimed that. If you want to accuse anyone of that then you should name them. If any "extreme rightist" has used Weinstein's behaviour to promote their agenda you should name them and explain what you think their agenda is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 26 minutes ago, Ivan Drago said: Still not getting it. What do you mean by sex object? OK at the risk of being accused of being some sort of Neanderthal someone who parades before the cameras at a public event with her tits and arse on display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: OK at the risk of being accused of being some sort of Neanderthal someone who parades before the cameras at a public event with her tits and arse on display. So I ask again, what relevance does that that have here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ivan Drago said: So I ask again, what relevance does that that have here? 4 minutes ago, Ivan Drago said: So I ask again, what relevance does that that have here? The relevance has simply to do with the question i answered. Absolutely nothing to do with anything to do witjh any excuse for sexually abusing anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: The relevance has simply to do with the question i answered. Absolutely nothing to do with anything to do witjh any excuse for sexually abusing anyone. So it’s really not relevant to the thread. My original question was what hypocrisy it highlighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ivan Drago said: So it’s really not relevant to the thread. My original question was what hypocrisy it highlighted. 7 minutes ago, Ivan Drago said: So it’s really not relevant to the thread. My original question was what hypocrisy it highlighted. It is revelant to the post i replied to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Francis Albert said: Has to be said trump seems a little more distanced from the sex prredators Please tell me you're not serious and are just having a bit of a laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Now expelled by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41623637 I hope that they will follow this up by setting up a panel to look at other similar abuses in the motion picture industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Francis Albert said: Has to be said trump seems a little more distanced from the sex prredators Couldn't get any closer, allegedly being one like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Ugly American said: Please tell me you're not serious and are just having a bit of a laugh. Not content with tripping over his own shoelaces with his efforts to cheerlead for Donald Trump on the "Donald Trump" thread, FA is now trying to conquer the rest of the Shed. He's neither serious nor having a bit of a laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Couldn't get any closer, allegedly being one like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Meanwhile James Corden has decided it was wise to open the evening at a charity event in the states with Harvey Weinstein jokes. Fair it to say it didn't go down very well with the audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 IF one good thing comes of these events then James Cordon being put on the scrap heap would be delightful. utter ***** of a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 I noticed that Corden is on the George Michael biog on Monday. **** knows how he’s wormed his way onto that. “No-mark speaks about George Michael.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 18 hours ago, Francis Albert said: Has to be said trump seems a little more distanced from the sex prredators You've got to remember, at best, he is a self-confessed sex predator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Grappelli Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 34 minutes ago, Sexton Hardcastle said: IF one good thing comes of these events then James Cordon being put on the scrap heap would be delightful. utter ***** of a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1961 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Stevie Wonder can see how corrupt Hollywood is with its sexual deviance and most of us know what goes on...but those that run the gaff are almost bullet proof sadly and have been from the off Remember Brando suggested Hollywood was run by a Jewish Mafia oh oh It wasnt long before he was put in his place and he then apologised Admire the bravery of those who have spoke out recently but imagine we even got near the truth of what has gone on there ..that would be something else and not nice at all Edited October 15, 2017 by jambo1961 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 On 10/12/2017 at 09:18, Nookie Bear said: I didn't pick up how this actually came to light but it's interesting how many actresses (powerful ones at that) have now stepped forward to claim they were victims. I just cannot get my head around why so many people seem unwilling or unable to speak up until it is too late, by which time more and more people suffer. Their career. I'd imagine there has been a culture of acquiescence in Holywood for years. For actresses starting out they've probably had to put up with all sorts of stuff to get going or just go back to wherever they've come from and not pursue acting. Pretty much every accuser Weinstein has can be seen smiling next to him on the red carpet in a photograph. It tells you everything you need to know about guys like him in positions of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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