More Tory lies

[aussieh]

What happened to your manifesto pledge of no more Tax hikes. NI hike for the self employed to align with PAYE employees without the same benefits. Are they gonnae give me holiday pay etc...???

 

LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shrekeo]

Seek help.

[deesidejambo]

What happened to your manifesto pledge of no more Tax hikes. NI hike for the self employed to align with PAYE employees without the same benefits. Are they gonnae give me holiday pay etc...???

 

LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you voted Tory? That's a turnup!

[davemclaren]

What happened to your manifesto pledge of no more Tax hikes. NI hike for the self employed to align with PAYE employees without the same benefits. Are they gonnae give me holiday pay etc...???

 

LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair, holiday pay is paid by the employer out of their incomd and not by the state. Speak to yours.

[Alwayssunnyingorgie]

To be fair, holiday pay is paid by the employer out of their incomd and not by the state. Speak to yours.

Think your missing the point.

[davemclaren]

Think your missing the point.

So what is the point?

[Psychedelicropcircle]

Talks of cleaning air quality and sticks a 800 eight hundred % tariff on solar energy.

 

 

MORE TORY LIES.

[jamie1874]

Don't worry if you are self employed I am sure you don't 'earn' above ?10k-?11k a year anyway, so saving paying income tax....

[TheOak88]

Let's be honest how many self employed people declare all their earnings? How many do a bit of cash in hand work?.

 

Then they have the cheeck to moan about NI.

[Dawnrazor]

Let's be honest how many self employed people declare all their earnings? How many do a bit of cash in hand work?.

Then they have the cheeck to moan about NI.

good point, never thought of that!

[deesidejambo]

Let's be honest how many self employed people declare all their earnings? How many do a bit of cash in hand work?.

 

Then they have the cheeck to moan about NI.

I'm self employed. Yes it absolutely happens, I do it with any tips I get and my mate is a self-employed Gardner with much of his payments cash in hand, grass-cutting in particular.

 

Also self-employed peeps can write amazing stuff against Income Tax. It's not surprising that they mysteriously only earn ?11000 per year in the tax return that is!

[luckydug]

If there's one thing the Tories are good at its telling porkies.

That and kicking the poor .

This latest ploy of raising NI contributions for SE probably means they have run out of unemployed and sick people to mug . Bet they don't have the guts to go through with it. Instead they will look for another soft target .

They are a vile collection of human beings

the party of the greedy and selfish.

[Alwayssunnyingorgie]

So what is the point?

Reading the OP again it's pretty clear.

[Psychedelicropcircle]

Let's be honest how many self employed people declare all their earnings? How many do a bit of cash in hand work?.

 

Then they have the cheeck to moan about NI.

Ita these type of bitchy posts that no doubt give it the" al gee yi cash pal save me oan vat "

 

Eh oaks?

[deesidejambo]

If there's one thing the Tories are good at its telling porkies.

That and kicking the poor .

This latest ploy of raising NI contributions for SE probably means they have run out of unemployed and sick people to mug . Bet they don't have the guts to go through with it. Instead they will look for another soft target .

They are a vile collection of human beings

the party of the greedy and selfish.

All parties do it.

 

We will abolish Council Tax.

[davemclaren]

Reading the OP again it's pretty clear.

I accept they have broken their manifesto pledge but I don't see it as particularly unfair in terms of equitable tax burden. I think that covers both his points.

[deesidejambo]

Ita these type of bitchy posts that no doubt give it the" al gee yi cash pal save me oan vat "

 

Eh oaks?

The VAT scam is to make it cheaper for the customer as the self employed person doesn't keep the VAT. It's the Treasury, i.e. the taxpayer who get cheated in this case.

[Rudolf's Mate]

A few posters need to get a life. aussieh is turning into a poor mans Mackerel!

 

 

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[Captain Sausage]

If there's one thing the Tories are good at its telling porkies.

That and kicking the poor .

This latest ploy of raising NI contributions for SE probably means they have run out of unemployed and sick people to mug . Bet they don't have the guts to go through with it. Instead they will look for another soft target .

They are a vile collection of human beings

the party of the greedy and selfish.

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

[deesidejambo]

A few posters need to get a life. aussieh is turning into a poor mans Mackerel!

 

 

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Defo the Tories are causing panic. They branded themselves as a party of opposition which seems to be working, but we will see once Brexit gets going.

 

But beware, you will be second up against the wall when the executions start.

[Dawnrazor]

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

"socialism" we'll devide all the money up evenly untill I've spent all mine........then we'll devide it all up again.

[aussieh]

So you voted Tory? That's a turnup!

Never, but they broke their manifesto for what they were voted into WM for. They have the whole place to themselves and still feck it up. This will bring them down. Arrogance

[deesidejambo]

"socialism" we'll devide all the money up evenly untill I've spent all mine........then we'll devide it all up again.

I think Social Justice is a worthwhile cause and I'd be prepared to pay more tax to achieve it. SNP didn't take the opportunity to do that so they are, Tories.

[deesidejambo]

Never, but they broke their manifesto for what they were voted into WM for. They have the whole place to themselves and still feck it up. This will bring them down. Arrogance

No point about you whining that you were lied to if you didn't vote for them anyway.

[aussieh]

Seek help.

Why? Its not an Indy thread, if the SNP did this I'd be raging.

[Dawnrazor]

I think Social Justice is a worthwhile cause and I'd be prepared to pay more tax to achieve it. SNP didn't take the opportunity to do that so they are, Tories.

Social Justice to far too many means they can sit on their arse sponging of the state, I'm all for looking after the people who need it and am perfectly happy to pay taxes towards it.

[aussieh]

No point about you whining that you were lied to if you didn't vote for them anyway.

Bollox, still lied. Sums you up.

[zoltan socrates]

Seek help.

This, in buckets

 

Attention seeking op, this ground has been covered elsewhere, an attempt at virtue signalling, look at me arent i fantastic, boring rhetotic, nothing new

[aussieh]

Social Justice to far too many means they can sit on their arse sponging of the state, I'm all for looking after the people who need it and am perfectly happy to pay taxes towards it.

So am I, but I'm not paying for Brexit.

 

It matters not a jot as Scotland will soon be rid of this vermin.

[deesidejambo]

Bollox, still lied. Sums you up.

Put me on your execution list. But given that you won't vote Tory anyway then I'm pretty certain you didn't read their Manifesto in the first place, so you weren't lied to.

 

Anyone who did vote Tory based on the Manifesto was though, so it's Tory voters who were lied to.

[deesidejambo]

This, in buckets

 

Attention seeking op, this ground has been covered elsewhere, an attempt at virtue signalling, look at me arent i fantastic, boring rhetotic, nothing new

Christ the execution list is getting large. At least it points to inclusiveness.

[aussieh]

All parties do it.

 

We will abolish Council Tax.

Sorry dee, but you really need to read the facts of why the council tax was not abolished. They were coming for their pound of flesh whether or not it was abolished or not.

[deesidejambo]

Social Justice to far too many means they can sit on their arse sponging of the state, I'm all for looking after the people who need it and am perfectly happy to pay taxes towards it.

Same here. There is of course a limit to it but if for example the Scottish Govt raised taxes to pay for a sensible transparent social policy then I'm for it.

 

But they didn't.

[deesidejambo]

Sorry dee, but you really need to read the facts of why the council tax was not abolished. They were coming for their pound of flesh whether or not it was abolished or not.

I know but the point was the SNP should not have promised it if it was not deliverable.

[Dawnrazor]

Same here. There is of course a limit to it but if for example the Scottish Govt raised taxes to pay for a sensible transparent social policy then I'm for it.

But they didn't.

The number of unemployed Scots and the amount of foreign labour being employed tells you that a lot of people need a kick in the arse to look after themselves.

[aussieh]

No point about you whining that you were lied to if you didn't vote for them anyway.

Oh good so you'll keep it shut on the anti SNP threads then.

[Rudolf's Mate]

Defo the Tories are causing panic. They branded themselves as a party of opposition which seems to be working, but we will see once Brexit gets going.

 

But beware, you will be second up against the wall when the executions start.

If we had a thread for every promise/pledge our governments hadn't followed through on the forum would be full of these crap threads.

 

As it stands we're having threads pop up left right and centre and the shed's turning into the terrace with certain posters hell bent on stirring up shit whilst giving it the 'look at me'.

 

Sad as ****.

 

 

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[Bridge of Djoum]

What happened to your manifesto pledge of no more Tax hikes. NI hike for the self employed to align with PAYE employees without the same benefits. Are they gonnae give me holiday pay etc...???

 

LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you still under the insane assumption that politicians tell the truth? Every single party is every bit as bad as the last shower of incompetents who held the office. 

[Boris]

"socialism" we'll devide all the money up evenly untill I've spent all mine........then we'll devide it all up again.

[Glottis]

It's easy to say self employed don't declare all their earnings but loads of people are "self employed" so that their actual employers don't have responsibility.

[Don DaniEL]

It's unfortunate but sometimes you can't always keep the promises you make. Especially when keeping them is to the detriment of others. In this case removing the disparity in NI and making everyone pay the same makes total sense.

The government (all governments) need to clamp down hard on tax evasion. Rarely has any government made any meaningful attempt to clamp down.

[The Natural Order]

So if the self employed want to pay less tax than those on PAYE will they accept less access to the services that tax pays for, healthcare, education etc?

[TheOak88]

Ita these type of bitchy posts that no doubt give it the" al gee yi cash pal save me oan vat "

 

Eh oaks?

Don't think I have ever employed a Self Employed person to do anything. Maybe I have and I just can't remember. Either way it would be that rare an occurance that I would never think to say that.

 

Most self employed people don't actually pay VAT anyway.

 

BTW wasn't a bitchy post. I am sure I am not the only person to ever suggest that the self employed don't declare everything they earn.

[deesidejambo]

You say that, but I bet in reality you'd be raging.

If you care to look at my previous posts you would see that I have repeatedly stated I'm happy to pay more tax to fund a proper social system.

 

But you just make an assumption that I am lying.

 

But crack on with your stupid assumptions.

[deesidejambo]

Don't think I have ever employed a Self Employed person to do anything. Maybe I have and I just can't remember. Either way it would be that rare an occurance that I would never think to say that.

 

Most self employed people don't actually pay VAT anyway.

 

BTW wasn't a bitchy post. I am sure I am not the only person to ever suggest that the self employed don't declare everything they earn.

It's ironic that self employed complain about tax.

 

Scamming it is common.

[deesidejambo]

I'm not questioning your interest in seeing a proper social system being funded, I would question you getting behind a SNP policy, especially one proposed through additional taxation.

Why? I am interested in the principle. Which party introduces it is irrelevant to me.

 

And also note I previously posted that I'm happy to vote for SNP to represent me at Westminster as the MP Calum Mcaig, is doing a good job. I couldn't care less if every MP at Westminster is SNP as long as they do what they were elected for, to represent their Constituencies

 

It's Indy that I object to.

[deesidejambo]

Fair enough, I stand corrected. Had you pinned with the 'anyone but the SNP at all costs' crowd.

Nae probs. Interestingly it's possibly not in the SNPs interest to do well at Westminster because peeps like me may be happy for SNP to represent them at Westminster and if they do that well then less reason to go for Indy.

This is why imo the SNP get higher voter share in elections when compared to the Indy percentage.

 

Imo

[DanishTam10]

What happened to your manifesto pledge of no more Tax hikes. NI hike for the self employed to align with PAYE employees without the same benefits. Are they gonnae give me holiday pay etc...???

 

LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Reform the council tax. SNP 2007

[DanishTam10]

They were voted down by the other parties, but then, you already knew that.

?Direct elections to Health Boards to give local people a say? - didn't happen

 

?2 hours of PE per week, free use of council swimming centres and a moratorium on the sale of playing fields?  - didn't happen

 

?Life Begins Health checks for those over 40? - ended in 2014

 

?We will set a target that no patient should wait longer than 18 weeks from GP referral to treatment by the end of 2011.?  - nope

 

?Presumption against the centralisation of core hospital services to protect local access to healthcare? - nope

 

?Delivery of a 50% increase in free nursery education for three and four year olds, smaller class sizes starting with a reduction in the first three years of primary education to 18 or less.? - nope

 

I could go on, with many of the SNP manifesto pledges. 

The SNP have been a disaster as a government.  And continue to lie.

 

More SNP lies

Edited March 11, 2017 by DanishTam10

[deesidejambo]

They were voted down by the other parties, but then, you already knew that.

Can't they reintroduce? Personally I think the Council Tax is fairly decent anyway. It's based on house value so reasonably progressive.

 

What's the best alternative?