I P Knightley Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, Arse 'Friends' Dyslexic? said: Has anyone ever seen the Prime Miniature and Roland Rat in the same room...? This is the fella that I see: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 33 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I know most of it is just joshing, but some of the vitriol that finds its way onto the political threads here is fairly disturbing. Yes I felt that comment was very disturbing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: Yes I felt that comment was very disturbing And no one challenged it apart from me . Now I have said that I would have been hung , drawn and quartered . Well hung I may say . It’s the hypocrisy which gets me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 39 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I know most of it is just joshing, but some of the vitriol that finds its way onto the political threads here is fairly disturbing. Let's not forget who the real victim is here, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: Let's not forget who the real victim is here, though. Life is just plain unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 20 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Let's not forget who the real victim is here, though. I very much doubt we'll be able to forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 51 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Let's not forget who the real victim is here, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I would . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 2 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Oh they “ leftie “ mob have flitted over to this thread en masse from the Indy thread . Probably recognising it’s a lost cause on that issue . Like I said what that gonna greet about when the Toariez get emptied ? 😂 What do you think life would currently be like for gay people if it wasn't for "lefty wokie types" campaigning for equality over the last 50 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, Ray Gin said: What do you think life would currently be like for gay people if it wasn't for "lefty wokie types" campaigning for equality over the last 50 years? That was when “ leftie “ types weren’t consumed by culture wars nonsense The new left is basically the new right , against freedoms of speech , freedoms of expressions , turning science fact into fantasy land nonsenses etc etc . Example now is Mr Keir Starmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: What do you think life would currently be like for gay people if it wasn't for "lefty wokie types" campaigning for equality over the last 50 years? Oh and it wasn’t just those on the “ left “ who fought for gay and lesbian rights . A common myth that it was though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Oh and it wasn’t just those on the “ left “ who fought for gay and lesbian rights . A common myth that it was though . It certainly wasn't the Tories pre-2000s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 2 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: It certainly wasn't the Tories pre-2000s. So , a significant number opposed gay marriage in 2014 but it still got passed by A Tory led Govt ( think liberals were in coalition with them ) . Like I said the “ new left “ are now the oppressors . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 14 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: What do you think life would currently be like for gay people if it wasn't for "lefty wokie types" campaigning for equality over the last 50 years? Exactly. But that was his rights they were fighting for; the only rights worth fighting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 17 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said: Andrew Neil is a lunatic. Fits perfectly well with his outlook and what he stands for. He is. A sad auld ******. Was the final nail in the Hootsmon paper's coffin. And then, there's GB News.... 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 38 minutes ago, Gundermann said: He is. A sad auld ******. Was the final nail in the Hootsmon paper's coffin. And then, there's GB News.... 😄 Quite an ageist comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 On 17/04/2024 at 19:45, Victorian said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/16/liz-truss-quiz-did-she-really-say-that-in-her-book Not that easy to pick the answers. But this book sounds like it should have been throttled at birth. On 17/04/2024 at 19:57, Gizmo said: Not just the book tbf... 8 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Suppose it could be worse , you could wish that Liz truss was flushed away at birth as someone did on this thread ! Oh, look. 3Judies has got it wrong again. Inferring Gizmo's meaning in a 5-word post and blithely stating his interpretation as FACT. Poor, poor form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 10 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Suppose it could be worse , you could wish that Liz truss was flushed away at birth as someone did on this thread ! 10 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Yes I felt that comment was very disturbing Seriously? You were 'disturbed' by an online exaggeration? You couldn't use your judgement to figure that, perhaps, the author of that quote was not advocating the submersion of newborns. You couldn't interpret it as an entirely valid imagination that we'd all be in a much better place had Truss not joined the human race? Because we would. She's an awful human being and her ignorance, pig-headedness and downright stupidity has brought misery on thousands of your fellow citizens. There are plenty of reasonable folk who wish her dad had worn a Johnny that night. 8 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: So , a significant number opposed gay marriage in 2014 but it still got passed by A Tory led Govt ( think liberals were in coalition with them ) . Like I said the “ new left “ are now the oppressors . A direct response to a comment about pre-2000s conservatives? The Same Sex Act of 2013. Sorry, James. You're spoiling JKB for me, now. Popping you on ignore and hoping for a better experience from tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Rawanda illegal refugee deterrent scheme passed through Parliament Keith will repeal if Labour elected lines drawn Edited April 23 by manaliveits105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statts1976uk Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Rawanda illegal refugee deterrent scheme passed through Parliament Keith will repeal if Labour elected lines drawn Good, it's a stupid idea that has wasted too much of the public purse already. A 1 in 100 chance of heading to Rwanda will not be a deterrent to someone who has risked their life crossing the channel. Another policy with no public support that wasn't even in the 2019 manifesto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 8 hours ago, I P Knightley said: Seriously? You were 'disturbed' by an online exaggeration? You couldn't use your judgement to figure that, perhaps, the author of that quote was not advocating the submersion of newborns. You couldn't interpret it as an entirely valid imagination that we'd all be in a much better place had Truss not joined the human race? Because we would. She's an awful human being and her ignorance, pig-headedness and downright stupidity has brought misery on thousands of your fellow citizens. There are plenty of reasonable folk who wish her dad had worn a Johnny that night. A direct response to a comment about pre-2000s conservatives? The Same Sex Act of 2013. Sorry, James. You're spoiling JKB for me, now. Popping you on ignore and hoping for a better experience from tomorrow. Wishing someone was dead isnt in any form any respectful debate . It’s troubling and can be viewed as incitement to thickos . There have already been a couple of murders of MPs . How do you think that began ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: Rawanda illegal refugee deterrent scheme passed through Parliament Keith will repeal if Labour elected lines drawn Sadly it’s probably quite an election winner for sone votes for them . I dint agree with it . As others noted , just have a quick efficient system of filtering out the genuine asylum seekers v the not genuine . Save time and money . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 29 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Wishing someone was dead isnt in any form any respectful debate . It’s troubling and can be viewed as incitement to thickos . There have already been a couple of murders of MPs . How do you think that began ? Generally with thick right-wing bigots who listen to the likes of Andrew Neil, Julia Hartley Brewer etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) https://news.sky.com/story/now-that-the-battle-in-parliament-is-over-pm-can-no-longer-blame-his-opponents-if-the-rwanda-scheme-fails-to-take-off-13121195 "And now the battle in parliament is over, he'll no longer be able to blame his political opponents if the policy doesn't take off." Oh but he will. For certain. When this nonsense makes no difference whatsoever to the number of small boats arrivals, Labour have already been set up for the blame. Labour are committed to binning it (they're still trying to formulate a way to say it wont be used rather than repealed outright). So the narrative beyond the first flights, through the election and beyond, will be that Labour has encouraged small boat arrivals by saying it's a shit scheme that they wont continue. This scheme wont have an opportunity to prove itself either way while it's in use. But proof of it's merits will simply be invented and assumed anyway. The timing in proximity to the election is no coincidence. Edited April 23 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 12 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Generally with thick right-wing bigots who listen to the likes of Andrew Neil, Julia Hartley Brewer etc. well that’s a given you would support the vile comment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 If you are a refugee and think that if you risk your life crossing the channel you may well just end up in Rawanda you willl either apply legally or even better stay in the EU Its a deterrent for sure - improving the processing time for legal applications will do feck all to stop illegal entry and people trafficking It's definitely a vote loser for Labour to over turn it though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 59 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Wishing someone was dead isnt in any form any respectful debate . It’s troubling and can be viewed as incitement to thickos . There have already been a couple of murders of MPs . How do you think that began ? Ah Judy, they didnt say that they wish she was dead, just that she had never been born. There is a difference.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, Carl Fredrickson said: Ah Judy, they didnt say that they wish she was dead, just that she had never been born. There is a difference.... No opportunity for drama, outrage or faux offence with that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, Carl Fredrickson said: Ah Judy, they didnt say that they wish she was dead, just that she had never been born. There is a difference.... Depends on perception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 36 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Generally with thick right-wing bigots who listen to the likes of Andrew Neil, Julia Hartley Brewer etc. but it wasn’t a “ right wing thicko “ which wrote it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statts1976uk Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: If you are a refugee and think that if you risk your life crossing the channel you may well just end up in Rawanda you willl either apply legally or even better stay in the EU Its a deterrent for sure - improving the processing time for legal applications will do feck all to stop illegal entry and people trafficking It's definitely a vote loser for Labour to over turn it though . So unless you are Afghan, Ukrainian or from Hong Kong how are you going to apply legally? Someone from say, Eritrea or Sudan, can't apply for asylum under the new rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 19 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: That was when “ leftie “ types weren’t consumed by culture wars nonsense The new left is basically the new right , against freedoms of speech , freedoms of expressions , turning science fact into fantasy land nonsenses etc etc . Example now is Mr Keir Starmer Do you not think the battle for gay rights was a "culture war"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: well that’s a given you would support the vile comment . The question you asked in reference to the murder of two MP's was 'how did it begin?' In pointed out that it begins with bigoted hate merchants like Andrew Neil and Julia Hartley Brewer, filling the heads of people who don't have the intelligence or reading ability to know better. The kind of people who read something innocuous and then leap to perceived or imaginary offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I see that the passing of the Rwanda bill is having an immediate impact ........ not! Five people - three men, a woman and a child - have died while attempting to cross the sea from France to Britain this morning. The French coastguard said the small boat was overloaded and carrying 110 people when the incident happened at about 5am on Tuesday. It’s turning out to be another busy day in the Channel. We’ve watched the Border Force bring in a first group of migrants to Dover. We counted around 70 people - including women and children. A second Border Force boat is also heading in, along with the Dover lifeboat, laden with people. Conditions in the Channel are very calm - it’s what Border Force label a red day, meaning crossings are expected in large numbers. That forecast is certainly proving to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Wishing someone was dead isnt in any form any respectful debate . It’s troubling and can be viewed as incitement to thickos . There have already been a couple of murders of MPs . How do you think that began ? Not from a piss taking mildly sarcastic jocular what if on a football forum, but because of highly visible threats and ill-tempered and ill-judged intemperate comments from high profile politicians and journalists. Perhaps if you genuinely read that comment as a serious threat to Liz Truss you should refer it to the plod under the hate crime legislation. But you didn't, did ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said: No opportunity for drama, outrage or faux offence with that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: If you are a refugee and think that if you risk your life crossing the channel you may well just end up in Rawanda you willl either apply legally or even better stay in the EU Its a deterrent for sure - improving the processing time for legal applications will do feck all to stop illegal entry and people trafficking It's definitely a vote loser for Labour to over turn it though . The risk for the Conservatives is flights to Rwanda actually becomes a vote loser for them. That actually doing it makes them cruel and incompetent given there are other solutions. And timing it for good weather proving it makes no difference to Channel crossings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 If dumping people in Rwanda is ever any form of vote winner the country is even more ****ed than I thought. You'd have to be a special type of **** to support a plan like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: If you are a refugee and think that if you risk your life crossing the channel you may well just end up in Rawanda you willl either apply legally tell us how an asylum seeker can apply legally plz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 10 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: If dumping people in Rwanda is ever any form of vote winner the country is even more ****ed than I thought. You'd have to be a special type of **** to support a plan like that. The resident Village Idiot proves your point about being a special type of ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairdy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Surely there must be a better alternative to sending these people to Rwanda. I'm quite sure the 'MI5', (or whoever in the UK ), Interpol, The French Police etc, know who some of the heads of these gangs are, Starmer is correct, these are the people the combined forces of the UK& France should be going after. I presume they are, but it doesn't look as if they're making a dent in the gangs orginisations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Happy St George's Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, bairdy said: Surely there must be a better alternative to sending these people to Rwanda. I'm quite sure the 'MI5', (or whoever in the UK ), Interpol, The French Police etc, know who some of the heads of these gangs are, Starmer is correct, these are the people the combined forces of the UK& France should be going after. I presume they are, but it doesn't look as if they're making a dent in the gangs orginisations. That's an actual solution though. These ****s are only interested in stirring up knuckle draggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korky Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 minutes ago, bairdy said: Surely there must be a better alternative to sending these people to Rwanda. I'm quite sure the 'MI5', (or whoever in the UK ), Interpol, The French Police etc, know who some of the heads of these gangs are, Starmer is correct, these are the people the combined forces of the UK& France should be going after. I presume they are, but it doesn't look as if they're making a dent in the gangs orginisations. My guess is that it’s a lot more difficult than we know otherwise the UK and French authorities would have clamped down more effectively before now. Starmer’s sound bite about going after the gangs is a bit like Rachel Reeves promise to raise billions by eliminating tax avoidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, Korky said: My guess is that it’s a lot more difficult than we know otherwise the UK and French authorities would have clamped down more effectively before now. Starmer’s sound bite about going after the gangs is a bit like Rachel Reeves promise to raise billions by eliminating tax avoidance. They will be a disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 19 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: tell us how an asylum seeker can apply legally plz? Are you saying there's no legal asylum seekers ?? just google it - the infos all there for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, Footballfirst said: I see that the passing of the Rwanda bill is having an immediate impact ........ not! Five people - three men, a woman and a child - have died while attempting to cross the sea from France to Britain this morning. The French coastguard said the small boat was overloaded and carrying 110 people when the incident happened at about 5am on Tuesday. It’s turning out to be another busy day in the Channel. We’ve watched the Border Force bring in a first group of migrants to Dover. We counted around 70 people - including women and children. A second Border Force boat is also heading in, along with the Dover lifeboat, laden with people. Conditions in the Channel are very calm - it’s what Border Force label a red day, meaning crossings are expected in large numbers. That forecast is certainly proving to be the case. Its a bit ironic that one arm of the Govt (Home Office Border Force) are playing a humanitarian role by "stopping the boats" and taking the occupants to safe detention centres - while Sunak is focused on the unlawful law to fly 300 of them to an unsafe country as a means of "stopping the boats". One can only imagine the political pressure thats been put on Air Tanker to be the carrier for these asylum seekers. "Oh, we've just realised that your contract with the RAF is coming up for renewal soon ? How interesting...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Its a bit ironic that one arm of the Govt (Home Office Border Force) are playing a humanitarian role by "stopping the boats" and taking the occupants to safe detention centres - while Sunak is focused on the unlawful law to fly 300 of them to an unsafe country as a means of "stopping the boats". One can only imagine the political pressure thats been put on Air Tanker to be the carrier for these asylum seekers. "Oh, we've just realised that your contract with the RAF is coming up for renewal soon ? How interesting...." I thought we'd seen the worst of it with Thatcher. This mob are on a completely different level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 12 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Are you saying there's no legal asylum seekers ?? just google it - the infos all there for you I'm saying there is currently no legal route open to an asylum seeker to enter the UK. Actually i'm not saying that, the Refugee Council are saying that. So you post the legal routes for asylum seekers on here and i'll fire it round t'internet and the small boats will vanish overnight. Edited April 23 by The Mighty Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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