coppercrutch Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Can't we just round these people up, send them off to India, and let them know what life is really about ? A quote from the BBC... "The union is calling for a minimum wage of ?36,000 a year" I Seriously hate these people. 36k MINIMUM for driving an effing truck. These people should be made redundant and forced to work in the fields picking fruit. That would show them what REAL work was. They are the perfect example of why this country is going down the tubes. Laziness and greed. Endemic in our once proud nation. It is disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 There are plenty of people in the UK who actually want to work and would bite an employer's hand off for what they currently earn, never mind ?36k. The greedy self-obsessed tanker drivers should be fired immediately and replaced with people who are willing to graft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 There are plenty of people in the UK who actually want to work and would bite an employer's hand off for what they currently earn, never mind ?36k. The greedy self-obsessed tanker drivers should be fired immediately and replaced with people who are willing to graft. Indeed. Sure the Polish would do the job for half the price !! Have you seen any of these drivers 'representatives' on the TV ? Not exactly the sharpest tools in the box. And yet they think they DESERVE a pay increase... Apparently, according to their union, they have not had a pay increase since 1992. Funny I didn't hear them moaning back then about getting OVERPAID for the menial job they were doing................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Have you seen any of these drivers 'representatives' on the TV ? I saw one of them on tv at the gym this morning. Fat, bald and gormless looking - a caricature shop steward type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Just like in the 70's (pre thatcher) the Trade Unions are running the country. Someone needs to stand up to them. This is not about if the driver's work hard as I am sure we all agree on the fact they do. but here is the thing, most of us work hard and let's be honest most of us are underpaid. We simply can't just down tools at the expense of the economy. When they became truck drievrs they knew what the pay rate etc was. It isn't the hardest job (albeit it's important) im sure. Feck them - they are asking for almost 50% increases if the figures in the OP are to be believed. It is time for the UK and it's gov't to stop being slaves to these unreasonable greedy selfish ******* that are the Unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I love threads like these I bet there are cheaper alternatives like poles to most of our jobs on JKB,Im sure some of us earn a ridicolous amount for what we do, if the threads where targetted at our profession then im sure we would not be happy And Im sure they must do more than simply drive the lorries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I love threads like these I bet there are cheaper alternatives like poles to most of our jobs on JKB,Im sure some of us earn a ridicolous amount for what we do, if the threads where targetted at our profession then im sure we would not be happy And Im sure they must do more than simply drive the lorries I dare say they do but some people need to get a grasp of Economics Money doe snot grow on trees. We all deserve more ... but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfurdaley Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I dare say they do but some people need to get a grasp of Economics Money doe snot grow on trees. We all deserve more ... but Especially the Shell board members who received 15% pay rises in the last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 We will be the one's who suffer as it will once again force up petrol prices on the forecourt. ESSO & bp will certainly bump up their prices as supplies start to run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I guess it depends on what they do for the money. If they are doing a 60+ hour week then ?35k isn't that much pro-rata. I'd be surprised if they are working that much though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I guess it depends on what they do for the money. If they are doing a 60+ hour week then ?35k isn't that much pro-rata. I'd be surprised if they are working that much though. The European Working Hours Directive does not let them work longer than 40 hours And their Tachygraph means they cannot exceed their stipualted hours without being noticed So, no then, a basic working week driving trucks for ?35ooo WHen did the unions stop representing the poor down trodden workers and start pushing horribly inflated wages? Must have missed that one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 ...When did the unions stop representing the poor down trodden workers and start pushing horribly inflated wages?... Very good point DJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Apparently the selfish greedy low-lifes have now stuck a picket line at the entrance to the Grangemouth refinery. Time to send in the riot police and crack some thick heads open. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better call Saul Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Aye and my local garage in livigston has a Q like there were daniel O donnel tickets for sale and I am down to the last few Ltrs as well :frustrated::frustrated: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 These drivers do not work for Shell. They work for a haulage firm that happens to have the contract to deliver Shell fuel. They are unfairly using the Shell card to try and get more money. Sack them all. Also - what happened to the Grangemouth pension dispute? The strikers said it was to protect future employees from going onto a different pension scheme but I think the real reason wa because they were going to be asked to contribute to their own final salary scheme which is currently non-contributory. Anyone know what the final deal is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I guess it depends on what they do for the money. If they are doing a 60+ hour week then ?35k isn't that much pro-rata. I'd be surprised if they are working that much though. They interviewed one of the striking drivers on Radio Scotland about an hour ago. He gets ?32,800 for a 45 hour week. They've rejected a 6% increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Apparently the selfish greedy low-lifes have now stuck a picket line at the entrance to the Grangemouth refinery. Time to send in the riot police and crack some thick heads open. :mad: Bring back Mrs T, she would sort them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Why didnt my careers advisor tell me about this line of work. "computers are where the moneys at these days" .... fecking bollocks. Where do i sign up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe kickass2 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Hmm, they better watch out or their employers may do a murdoch on them. Nothing against high wages but lets face it, they drive lorries. It's not particularly dangerous, skilled or a rare talent. What's next? ?50K a year for Jannys, dustmen and shelf stackers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Bring back Mrs T, she would sort them out. Agree entirely and with a similar post above. We need the government to clamp down hard on the unions. Labour are going to lose the next election and the failure to stand up to the unions is going to be a large part in their downfall (that and the economy). The thicko union types that are in favour of repeated strike action don't seem to understand that this is what kept the Tories in power for so long, so ultimately they are just undermining themselves. The clock is ticking down on Labour getting booted out at the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Id sit on my erse driving trucks all day for 20 grand a year never mind 30 odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWL Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Is this a feckin party political broadcast on behalf of the feckin tory party FFS. Mon the workers:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe kickass2 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Is this a feckin party political broadcast on behalf of the feckin tory party FFS. Mon the workers:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: Do workers still exist? Sounds like these guys are out for themselves, nothing wrong with that. Don't think they are striking for the proles though. Maybe they thought by not turning up for work they could help the vast underclass afford new tracksuit bottoms or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Is this a feckin party political broadcast on behalf of the feckin tory party FFS. Mon the workers:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: Aye right. The tanker drivers get a pay rise, so the cost of transporting fueld to the pumps goes up. Then the cost of fuel goes up, again. Inflation, here we come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Is this a feckin party political broadcast on behalf of the feckin tory party FFS. Mon the workers:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: Y does everyone think Tories are against the workers? They are just against Unions See above for my opinions on unions We are all workers. I am sick of working classed being branded harder workers they work hard as we all do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 The UNions here are looking foolish, as they did with the Grangemouth workers. Pushing for exorbitant salaries for unskilled, unqualified workers to earn WAY over national average wage NOthing to do with ocnditions at work or poverty Purely about greed as far as I can see Earning more than teachers, nurses, midwives etc for driving trucks More than the police Double that of soldiers The values of the Unions are being destroyed by this They are becoming increasingly capitalist themselves, and appear to only wnat to further thier members pay packets at the cost of Joe Public If they were really socialist they would tell their members to STFU and think of the poor out there they seemed to overlook the equation menial job = menial pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debtor Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 To be fair the Tories are nly out for themselves, they care nothing for the workers. However this strike appears to be just greed. A company that makes huge profits and gives it's high ups huge bonus's cannot complain about the drivers. I realise they have been sold off, and you can see why, but Shell have brought this on themselves. The drivers must stop work after five hours according to the law (if I remember right). The tanker can only deliver to a few petrol stations, and therefore they cannot work a full 45 hours a week. Unless they do overtime legally. If they get a mere ?30,000 for that I am really sorry for their suffering. To ask for a 13% increase while soldiers start at ?17,000 is a bit much, especially when 5 Para's have died this week. This is not a strike with a foundation, it is just greed. Unions that protect their members are very good and worth having. This lot (unfortunately fronted by a scouser this morning, how unusual!) are just greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor.Arturo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I love threads like these I bet there are cheaper alternatives like poles to most of our jobs on JKB,Im sure some of us earn a ridicolous amount for what we do, if the threads where targetted at our profession then im sure we would not be happy And Im sure they must do more than simply drive the lorries Your right Prancer, its not truck drivers demanding a pay rise, its tanker drivers. To drive a petrol tanker, you need to pass your HC test (as well as your class 1), Hazardous chemical licence, I doubt if more than a handfull of members here could get through the theory part never mind the rest of the test.....the theory manual is as thick as a phone book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I doubt if more than a handfull of members here could get through the theory part never mind the rest of the test.....the theory manual is as thick as a phone book! Yeah, because noone on here has ever had to study one large book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Your right Prancer, its not truck drivers demanding a pay rise, its tanker drivers. To drive a petrol tanker, you need to pass your HC test (as well as your class 1), Hazardous chemical licence, I doubt if more than a handfull of members here could get through the theory part never mind the rest of the test.....the theory manual is as thick as a phone book! Graduate teachers, nurses etc have to learn a hell of a lot more than one thick book If you are going to go down that line One thick book to learn = ?35000 pay 5 years at UNi and 60 thick books to learn = one very happy GP on over ?2million per annum Where is my Union rep when I need him..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 The UNions here are looking foolish, as they did with the Grangemouth workers. Pushing for exorbitant salaries for unskilled, unqualified workers to earn WAY over national average wageNOthing to do with ocnditions at work or poverty Purely about greed as far as I can see Earning more than teachers, nurses, midwives etc for driving trucks More than the police Double that of soldiers The values of the Unions are being destroyed by this They are becoming increasingly capitalist themselves, and appear to only wnat to further thier members pay packets at the cost of Joe Public If they were really socialist they would tell their members to STFU and think of the poor out there they seemed to overlook the equation menial job = menial pay Indeed. And I should know I used to be a delivery driver for a few different places. Not fuel but still same idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neave Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Aye and my local garage in livigston has a Q like there were daniel O donnel tickets for sale and I am down to the last few Ltrs as well :frustrated::frustrated: Best simile ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodoker Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 9 times out of 10 I side with unions however in this case it seems to be completely greed driven and its very interesting that they think the public will support them -they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loganjambo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 9 times out of 10 I side with unions however in this case it seems to be completely greed driven and its very interesting that they think the public will support them -they won't. dont see the problem, just get yule & dodds in, they would drive over pickets/picket lines no probs, job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobblers Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 These drivers do not work for Shell. They work for a haulage firm that happens to have the contract to deliver Shell fuel. They are unfairly using the Shell card to try and get more money. Sack them all. Correct most work for Hoyer. The Trade Union view (I've spent all day with a Unite SS) is that Hoyer should simply insist that Shell pay them more for their service. Unfortunately the TU are not living in the real world. We all know Shell are raking it in, as are all the Supermarkets, but they have Logistics Companies by the balls. If Hoyer ask Shell for more cash, they'll simply go elsewhere. Tanker drivers are the most highly paid LGV drivers going, although the job is clearly more risky than your average driving job. I doubt there's one of them earning less than ?40k a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 it said on the news tonight that they are on 31k at the moment but want 36k....5k pay rise:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Y does everyone think Tories are against the workers? They are just against Unions See above for my opinions on unions We are all workers. I am sick of working classed being branded harder workers they work hard as we all do I thought you were all for the union, now your saying your not, make up your mind will you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Le Clos Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Graduate teachers, nurses etc have to learn a hell of a lot more than one thick bookIf you are going to go down that line One thick book to learn = ?35000 pay 5 years at UNi and 60 thick books to learn = one very happy GP on over ?2million per annum Where is my Union rep when I need him..... Totally agree, I hope some of the people who berrated teachers for asking for more money can now put this in perspective. Tanker Driver - ?31,800 1st Year Teacher - ?20,487 Not right IMO, and the tanker drivers want a 13% pay rise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Graduate teachers, nurses etc have to learn a hell of a lot more than one thick bookIf you are going to go down that line One thick book to learn = ?35000 pay 5 years at UNi and 60 thick books to learn = one very happy GP on over ?2million per annum Where is my Union rep when I need him..... You could also reverse that One thick sportsman: no thick books to learn = varies from ?26000- ?5200000+ The Minimum one I have based on a sportsman earning ?500pw - Maximum?100000pw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 You could also reverse that One thick sportsman: no thick books to learn = varies from ?26000- ?5200000+ The Minimum one I have based on a sportsman earning ?500pw - Maximum?100000pw. Jeezzz............... One thick sportsman has a talent and skill that 95% of the population CANNOT DO. One truck driver has a 'talent' and a 'skill' that 95% of the population CAN DO. Not rocket science............. Why do I have to explain these things on this forum ? Is anyone else astounded by the lack of general common sense and logic on this site ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Even if Rosyth goes in September, there is still no shortgage of ferry links between the mainland Europe and the UK (Hull, North Shields, Aberdeen via Lerwick). It might also start to look attractive for Repulic of Ireland Ireland hauliers (Troon, Stranraer, Fleetwood, Holyhead). Between the extortionate cost of fuel in the UK and what seem to be completely unrealistic wage demands of drivers, it surely can't be long until hauliers based in elsewhere in Europe can tender for this work safe in the knowledge they're undercutting our firms. They send a fully fuelled truck over by ferry driven by a driver happy to earn ?22k a year, truck goes to Grangemouth (or A N other refinery), distributes our fuel, returns on ferry. Let's face it, the oil companies wouldn't worry about the precious Brittish drivers - they're motivated by ???s. With the way things are going in this country, is it completely unrealistic to expect to see left hand drive artics with Baltic plates delivering our fuel in the not so distant future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 Even if Rosyth goes in September, there is still no shortgage of ferry links between the mainland Europe and the UK (Hull, North Shields, Aberdeen via Lerwick). It might also start to look attractive for Repulic of Ireland Ireland hauliers (Troon, Stranraer, Fleetwood, Holyhead). Between the extortionate cost of fuel in the UK and what seem to be completely unrealistic wage demands of drivers, it surely can't be long until hauliers based in elsewhere in Europe can tender for this work safe in the knowledge they're undercutting our firms. They send a fully fuelled truck over by ferry driven by a driver happy to earn ?22k a year, truck goes to Grangemouth (or A N other refinery), distributes our fuel, returns on ferry. Let's face it, the oil companies wouldn't worry about the precious Brittish drivers - they're motivated by ???s. With the way things are going in this country, is it completely unrealistic to expect to see left hand drive artics with Baltic plates delivering our fuel in the not so distant future? Very good point. I was actually talking to someone yesterday about getting the Polish in to do the job for half the money !! Great minds and all...... And has been pointed out these drivers are not employed by Shell. They are through a contractor. I am pretty sure Shell can cancel this contract as a breach of conditions (They are clearly not getting what they are paying for) and just go to another haulier. These drivers are not just greedy. They are stupid and greedy. Poor combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I assume there's no problem with petrol supplies in the Edinburgh area? I need to fill the car up up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Jeezzz............... One thick sportsman has a talent and skill that 95% of the population CANNOT DO. One truck driver has a 'talent' and a 'skill' that 95% of the population CAN DO. Not rocket science............. Why do I have to explain these things on this forum ? Is anyone else astounded by the lack of general common sense and logic on this site ?! I was merely making a point, I am not saying sportsmen don't have a talent, infact I am quite envious of what a sportsman earns. But you don?t have to explain things out on this forum, trying to belittle people and make out they are not as intelligent as yourself, but hey ho I am quite happy in my ?60000+ a year job what with me having no common sense or logic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 You could also reverse that One thick sportsman: no thick books to learn = varies from ?26000- ?5200000+ The Minimum one I have based on a sportsman earning ?500pw - Maximum?100000pw. I was merely making a point, I am not saying sportsmen don't have a talent, infact I am quite envious of what a sportsman earns.But you don?t have to explain things out on this forum, trying to belittle people and make out they are not as intelligent as yourself, but hey ho I am quite happy in my ?60000+ a year job what with me having no common sense or logic!! You have just completely contradicted yourself without even realising it.... If someone makes a good point I will state that. If someone makes a **** point I will state that. No Bull**** from me. Your previous point was a **** one so I simply pointed that out. Your above point was even more **** due to you having a go at yourself without even noticing it.... You must be due a good one soon. Hurry up. BTW - 60k per year ? Are you a truck driver or something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 You have just completely contradicted yourself without even realising it.... If someone makes a good point I will state that. If someone makes a **** point I will state that. No Bull**** from me. Your previous point was a **** one so I simply pointed that out. Your above point was even more **** due to you having a go at yourself without even noticing it.... You must be due a good one soon. Hurry up. BTW - 60k per year ? Are you a truck driver or something.... I don't see where I have contradicted myself, I was pointing out that you don't have to have brains to make money, I am sure there are a lot of people that are not as clever as you, earning far more money than me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 I don't see where I have contradicted myself, I was pointing out that you don't have to have brains to make money, I am sure there are a lot of people that are not as clever as you, earning far more money than me! You had a go at me for belittling people and acting like I was smarter than them. However you forgot in your previous post you did exactly the same thing yourself. And yes I definitely agree there are a lot of dumb *******s out there earning a fortune. ***** !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wattie Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 You had a go at me for belittling people and acting like I was smarter than them. However you forgot in your previous post you did exactly the same thing yourself. And yes I definitely agree there are a lot of dumb *******s out there earning a fortune. ***** !!! ....and a lot of intelligent ones (even if I do say so myself) earning crap wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DikT. Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Being an old commie sympathiser I am sorry to say I go against the grain here. 'mon the drivers, screw these multinational barstewards for all you can!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 Unite just on TV saying their whole intention of this strike was to 'run the petrol pumps dry to make their point'. Nice. Why is this man not taken outside and flogged in the street like he deserves ? These drivers do a 'very difficult and dangerous job'...... Aye right then. It is a monkey job and deserves to be paid as so. They get too much as it is already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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