ri Alban Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Hasselhoff said: Have you not suggested in the past that the next indyref should be limited to only Scots being allowed to vote? Yip, to make a point, as in brexit. But it's ok for Wm to stop EU residents voting,(Won them their so called sovereignty back). But anti English to suggest the same for us. Go figure! Edited June 12, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Dependent on Brussels and almost every single Union and treaty on the planet outwith big bad Westminster you mean? Feck! That was ages ago, big yin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Jambo_Gaz said: So you believe the SNP are right to press ahead testing barely literate kids against the will of parliament? I'd leave teaching to the teachers. But if annoys you. C'mon the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Hasselhoff said: Have you not suggested in the past that the next indyref should be limited to only Scots being allowed to vote? I said that before the last indyref, I don’t see a problem with that tbh. I’d extend it to Scots living in the British isles too as it affects them but an EU citizen shouldn’t have a vote imo. If for instance I lived in Catalonia I’d never vote in their referendums just out of respect tbh. It’s far too emotional a vote for someone who’s not from here to properly understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 17 hours ago, jack D and coke said: I said that before the last indyref, I don’t see a problem with that tbh. I’d extend it to Scots living in the British isles too as it affects them but an EU citizen shouldn’t have a vote imo. If for instance I lived in Catalonia I’d never vote in their referendums just out of respect tbh. It’s far too emotional a vote for someone who’s not from here to properly understand. I dont disagree with this but in the same manner, should we allow English born people living in Scotland to vote on Scottish Independence? Opens a can of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: I dont disagree with this but in the same manner, should we allow English born people living in Scotland to vote on Scottish Independence? Opens a can of worms. I guess the answer is yes. Affects them also and they at least get the emotional side of it too. I suppose when you think about it if you’ve lived here long enough you should get a vote. I’d still abstain if I was living in Catalonia for example. I’d leave it to the natives to decide and accept their decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo_Gaz Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 12/06/2019 at 16:34, ri Alban said: I'd leave teaching to the teachers. But if annoys you. C'mon the SNP. Yeah, it's going well... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/14/angry-parents-write-nicola-sturgeon-john-swinney-deplorable/amp/ Sweep, sweep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 58 minutes ago, Jambo_Gaz said: Yeah, it's going well... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/14/angry-parents-write-nicola-sturgeon-john-swinney-deplorable/amp/ Sweep, sweep. 500 word essay on Tory austerity implemented under Cameron and Clegg since 2010 please. I’ll accept failing schools in England and Wales if you get writers block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Jambo_Gaz said: Yeah, it's going well... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/14/angry-parents-write-nicola-sturgeon-john-swinney-deplorable/amp/ Sweep, sweep. SNP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 10 hours ago, ri Alban said: SNP! Look closer to home in the form of the new prime minister in waiting , yes Boris the clown DID utter these words once. Squeaky clean Tories eh.. casting the first stone and all that jazz.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 SNP nowhere NEAR perfect. Name me ONE political party today that could do ANY better in Scotland thats currently doing well in ANY measurable way ANYWHERE else in the UK right now or in the last 10 years??? One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 55 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: SNP nowhere NEAR perfect. Name me ONE political party today that could do ANY better in Scotland thats currently doing well in ANY measurable way ANYWHERE else in the UK right now or in the last 10 years??? One. 13 Tory MPs wrote a letter to the future PM, to bypass Holyrood. Scum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, maroonlegions said: Look closer to home in the form of the new prime minister in waiting , yes Boris the clown DID utter these words once. Squeaky clean Tories eh.. casting the first stone and all that jazz.. Media blackout in Scotland about Boris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Media blackout in Scotland about Boris. BBC media no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicksojo Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, maroonlegions said: Look closer to home in the form of the new prime minister in waiting , yes Boris the clown DID utter these words once. Squeaky clean Tories eh.. casting the first stone and all that jazz.. Did this come from The National article which states at the top that it is a parody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, dicksojo said: Did this come from The National article which states at the top that it is a parody? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 13 hours ago, maroonlegions said: Look closer to home in the form of the new prime minister in waiting , yes Boris the clown DID utter these words once. No, no he did not, and spreading shit like this as if it were factual does nothing but make independence supporters look like morons.https://www.thenational.scot/news/17699316.we-need-to-tax-the-grievance-monkey-unwashed-jocks-until-they-squeak/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 13 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: SNP nowhere NEAR perfect. Name me ONE political party today that could do ANY better in Scotland thats currently doing well in ANY measurable way ANYWHERE else in the UK right now or in the last 10 years??? One. Still no response... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 SPPA, FFS, fecking idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) What's going on with this wind farm in Methil? Get the finger oot and make the company employ local firms or GTF. Edited July 24, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: What's going on with this wind farm in Methil? Get the finger oot and make the company employ local firms or GTF. That's protectionism and would go against EU procurement rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, SwindonJambo said: That's protectionism and would go against EU procurement rules. I know, but seriously Indonesia? Edited July 25, 2019 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 On 15/06/2019 at 18:26, maroonlegions said: Look closer to home in the form of the new prime minister in waiting , yes Boris the clown DID utter these words once. Squeaky clean Tories eh.. casting the first stone and all that jazz.. The internet is not for you, mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 On 15/06/2019 at 18:26, maroonlegions said: Look closer to home in the form of the new prime minister in waiting , yes Boris the clown DID utter these words once. Squeaky clean Tories eh.. casting the first stone and all that jazz.. Scary how many people treat things they see on Facebook as being true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Westminister preparing to recruit and fund 20,000 new police officers. Under the Barnett formula this should provide enough funding to recruit more that 2000 extra police officers in Scotland to tackle the Drugs crisis so neglected by the SNP. And the SNP played no part in getting that funding. Better together indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: Westminister preparing to recruit and fund 20,000 new police officers. Under the Barnett formula this should provide enough funding to recruit more that 2000 extra police officers in Scotland to tackle the Drugs crisis so neglected by the SNP. And the SNP played no part in getting that funding. Better together indeed. It's our money anyway ffs. Formulas, budgets, allowances. We are our own country under servitude! Unionists missing the point as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: It's our money anyway ffs. Formulas, budgets, allowances. We are our own country under servitude! Unionists missing the point as usual. Empty rhetoric as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, jambos are go! said: Westminister preparing to recruit and fund 20,000 new police officers. Under the Barnett formula this should provide enough funding to recruit more that 2000 extra police officers in Scotland to tackle the Drugs crisis so neglected by the SNP. And the SNP played no part in getting that funding. Better together indeed. Paid for by taxes paid by Scottish people. They aren't gifting us anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: Empty rhetoric as usual. What's rhetorical about it? Give us our independence back and we can blame ourselves for our shortcomings and vote out the government when they fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Paid for by taxes paid by Scottish people. They aren't gifting us anything. The Barnett formula delivers more than our fair share IIRC. And the SNP have not used their tax raising powers to deliver the extra money to fund 2000 extra police offers to tackle the Drugs emergency they have brought upon us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, jambos are go! said: The Barnett formula delivers more than our fair share IIRC. And the SNP have not used their tax raising powers to deliver the extra money to fund 2000 extra police offers to tackle the Drugs emergency they have brought upon us. I can't take you seriously if you are blaming the drug problem on the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 28 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: What's rhetorical about it? Give us our independence back and we can blame ourselves for our shortcomings and vote out the government when they fail. Its all words and bluster with no facts to back it up. All rhetoric and no substance. In 1707 and 2014 we chose to join then remain in the UK unless you had not noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: I can't take you seriously if you are blaming the drug problem on the SNP. How convenient!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: The Barnett formula delivers more than our fair share IIRC. And the SNP have not used their tax raising powers to deliver the extra money to fund 2000 extra police offers to tackle the Drugs emergency they have brought upon us. As you well know we have almost 1000 more police officers now than when the SNP first came to power 12 years ago. Meanwhile your Tory Westminster lot have reduced numbers by 20000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: The Barnett formula delivers more than our fair share IIRC. And the SNP have not used their tax raising powers to deliver the extra money to fund 2000 extra police offers to tackle the Drugs emergency they have brought upon us. The Barnett formula was designed to deliver a fair share. The SNP have used their tax raising powers to deliver extra money which will be spent on whatever the government thinks is a priority. Additional police officers in Scotland might not be the priority for number of reasons but in E+W where they lost 20,000 officers over the last few years it is. Scotland has a declining crime rate as opposed to an increasing crime rate in E+W across all areas but in particular to do with violent crime. E+W will have to restore their policing levels to deal with this but Scotland doesn't have the same problem and hasn't reduced their police numbers. You seem to think that increasing the number of police in Scotland would alleviate the drugs crisis. Are you able to tell us how such additional resources might be best applied or are your comments only rhetoric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: Its all words and bluster with no facts to back it up. All rhetoric and no substance. In 1707 and 2014 we chose to join then remain in the UK unless you had not noticed. What bluster? You're a unionist for goodness sake. Deal with the shortcomings of Westminster. There's quite a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: What bluster? You're a unionist for goodness sake. Deal with the shortcomings of Westminster. There's quite a lot. So unionists can't be concerned with Scotland as well? How very SNP of you. Unless you're a party member you're not really Scottish eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: So unionists can't be concerned with Scotland as well? How very SNP of you. Unless you're a party member you're not really Scottish eh? I'm not a party member. Just find the intellect of independence suits my thoughts. I would vote Conservative in an independent Scotland. I do loath some unionists though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, coconut doug said: The Barnett formula was designed to deliver a fair share. The SNP have used their tax raising powers to deliver extra money which will be spent on whatever the government thinks is a priority. Additional police officers in Scotland might not be the priority for number of reasons but in E+W where they lost 20,000 officers over the last few years it is. Scotland has a declining crime rate as opposed to an increasing crime rate in E+W across all areas but in particular to do with violent crime. E+W will have to restore their policing levels to deal with this but Scotland doesn't have the same problem and hasn't reduced their police numbers. You seem to think that increasing the number of police in Scotland would alleviate the drugs crisis. Are you able to tell us how such additional resources might be best applied or are your comments only rhetoric? Firstly, the BARNETT formula delivers over 10 % per head more in Scotland than it should based on a per head split. to suggest otherwise is a lie. If your figures on please numbers are correct a depleted police force down south is helping keeping drug deaths down to a third of Scottish levels. I think extra money from Westminster could obviously be used to help fight the war on drugs through increased community pleasing for instance.Is that not self evident? Don't you want the money Westminster will hand over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: I'm not a party member. Just find the intellect of independence suits my thoughts. I would vote Conservative in an independent Scotland. I do loath some unionists though. I'm not sure I get you there Byron Ferrari! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: What bluster? You're a unionist for goodness sake. Deal with the shortcomings of Westminster. There's quite a lot. Dear oh dear. I would have a more informed debate with a Haggis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I'm not sure I get you there Byron Ferrari! Used to be a Labour voter but changed my mind as didn't like the way they treated us Scots dummies. I was an unthinking sheep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: Dear oh dear. I would have a more informed debate with a Haggis. I like haggis and folk more informed than me have answered your Barnett garbage. Narrow-minded parochial Brit, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, jambos are go! said: Its all words and bluster with no facts to back it up. All rhetoric and no substance. In 1707 and 2014 we chose to join then remain in the UK unless you had not noticed. Who's we. There was no vote in 1700s and the Scots were out voted by the help of foreign residents. Let's go just Scots, just like the EUref or is that racist, if so brexit is a racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: I like haggis and folk more informed than me have answered your Barnett garbage. Narrow-minded parochial Brit, eh? Please explain how they have answered my Barnett point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: Please explain how they have answered my Barnett point? You honestly think that being given some of our own money instead of all it through a stupid formula serves our country best? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: Firstly, the BARNETT formula delivers over 10 % per head more in Scotland than it should based on a per head split. to suggest otherwise is a lie. If your figures on please numbers are correct a depleted police force down south is helping keeping drug deaths down to a third of Scottish levels. I think extra money from Westminster could obviously be used to help fight the war on drugs through increased community pleasing for instance.Is that not self evident? Don't you want the money Westminster will hand over? The Barnett formula was devised so as not to have public expenditure apportioned on a per capita basis. To suggest otherwise is to deny reality. Drug death information is collected on a different basis in England and Wales compared to Scotland meaning that as all deaths linked in any way to drugs are classed as drug related in Scotland. This is not the case in E+W.. There is also a historical element to the current increase in drug deaths i.e. older drug users being more proportionately affected. Drug taking habits appear to have changed and are different in Scotland compared to E+W. I'm not clear how increasing the number of police officers would improve these reasons for Scotland's high drug death rates. If you look at the breakdown of drug related crime in Scotland you will see that overall drug crime has dropped but that there has been a substantial increase in convictions for the importation of drugs. Maybe it's the money in drug dealing that keeps the business so bouyant. Perhaps if they decriminalised large parts of it resources could be focused on areas where it would be most effective. Clearly police numbers are not self evidently useful to help the war on drugs. Scotland has higher rates of policing than E+W and yet they have lower drug deaths. It seems there is an inverse relationship. Many Police chiefs in Scotland and all over the world claim that the war on drugs has been lost. Perhaps you are suggesting that our police are particularly inept and encouraged to be so by the SNP or maybe you are in favour of an approach similar to that carried out in the Phillipines. Of course people would want the money why would you suggest otherwise? The problem is though how would the money be spent and if it is to be spent on reducing drug death rates perhaps it would be best spent on health and education related issues rather than the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: You honestly think that being given some of our own money instead of all it through a stupid formula serves our country best? Seriously? Could you put some bones on that arguement. Facts and figures that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, coconut doug said: The Barnett formula was devised so as not to have public expenditure apportioned on a per capita basis. To suggest otherwise is to deny reality. Drug death information is collected on a different basis in England and Wales compared to Scotland meaning that as all deaths linked in any way to drugs are classed as drug related in Scotland. This is not the case in E+W.. There is also a historical element to the current increase in drug deaths i.e. older drug users being more proportionately affected. Drug taking habits appear to have changed and are different in Scotland compared to E+W. I'm not clear how increasing the number of police officers would improve these reasons for Scotland's high drug death rates. If you look at the breakdown of drug related crime in Scotland you will see that overall drug crime has dropped but that there has been a substantial increase in convictions for the importation of drugs. Maybe it's the money in drug dealing that keeps the business so bouyant. Perhaps if they decriminalised large parts of it resources could be focused on areas where it would be most effective. Clearly police numbers are not self evidently useful to help the war on drugs. Scotland has higher rates of policing than E+W and yet they have lower drug deaths. It seems there is an inverse relationship. Many Police chiefs in Scotland and all over the world claim that the war on drugs has been lost. Perhaps you are suggesting that our police are particularly inept and encouraged to be so by the SNP or maybe you are in favour of an approach similar to that carried out in the Phillipines. Of course people would want the money why would you suggest otherwise? The problem is though how would the money be spent and if it is to be spent on reducing drug death rates perhaps it would be best spent on health and education related issues rather than the police. So you think the difference in drug deaths is down to the way the stats are compiled.Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, jambos are go! said: Could you put some bones on that arguement. Facts and figures that is. What facts and figures? The Westminster government won't let us know what Scotland provides in total monies. Giving a country a sum of its money instead of all of it tells its own story. A chappie on Sky recently stated Scotland produces 200billion but don't think he meant to let the secret out! Can't substantiate it but he did say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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