ejbh Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Is it not more the case that we have increased the budget, rather than exceeding it. Of course we are all delighted that it is happenening, but it is ridiculous to claim that there are no negatives to a project running 2 million over a budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 any new pictures? It's what I came on here for, I sort of miss them Another one from yesterday: Kila put one up last night, and I bet there'll be a glut from inside the ground after the Newcastle game tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Another one from yesterday: Beauty. Been said before many times but the tenement reflection really blends the two types of structures together Every time I see that view the reflection gets better! Such a cool feature (although I'd guess it was just by chance from the Architects point of view - but now he/she will be claiming it was in their mind from the off) Yes. As can be seen here: Christ, that was quick, they've worked so hard over the last few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Is it not more the case that we have increased the budget, rather than exceeding it.This is common business practice. Projects in my experience always come in "on time and on budget". Of course the time and budget often depart radically from those in place at the start of the project. So far at least our timing seems fine. Edited July 13, 2017 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Why, when the reason it is over budget is due to improvements that our owner wanted done while reviewing the progress?! If I get a builder in to do home improvements, I then can't say it's a negative thing to be over budget when I asked him to put in better quality finishings or make a room longer etc.... If he sprung a higher cost on me for no reason then I'd be inclined to agree obviously but that's not the case. If you and your partner had set aside ?10,000 for the improvements and the better quality furnishings were costing an extra ?2,000, wouldn't you expect her to ask how it was going to be paid for? I think it is entirely reasonable to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Why, when the reason it is over budget is due to improvements that our owner wanted done while reviewing the progress?! If I get a builder in to do home improvements, I then can't say it's a negative thing to be over budget when I asked him to put in better quality finishings or make a room longer etc.... If he sprung a higher cost on me for no reason then I'd be inclined to agree obviously but that's not the case. I agree. Ann seemed totally relaxed with the increased cost, which reassures me that the money is there. I'm sure we'll find out where it's come from at some point; we could be playing it canny about our wonga whilst the transfer window is still open for all I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Christ, that was quick, they've worked so hard over the last few days. ?2m spent on a giant 3D printer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Anyone scooting past the Castle today ? A few pics would be appreciated. Is it true the ?2 million overspend is Thomaso's expense account for time spent on JKB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo83 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 If you and your partner had set aside ?10,000 for the improvements and the better quality furnishings were costing an extra ?2,000, wouldn't you expect her to ask how it was going to be paid for? I think it is entirely reasonable to do so. Aye but I would know the answer to that question before I asked for the improved works. I trust her 100% in these matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Aye but I would know the answer to that question before I asked for the improved works. I trust her 100% in these matters If we have an extra few million to spend on whatever we want, why did we just have a fundraising initiative to raise ?1M shortfall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Well this thread has turned into an excellent way to increase the blocked list. Some absolute drivel being posted. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I don't think anyone has raised concerns in anything other than a polite way. There is no trolling going on, it's just some people have more 'minor concerns' than others. Based on the logic of this thread, concerns about our Manager would be barred on the basis that the club considers him to be the best man for the job... So therefore he must be the best man for the job. The bulk of the insults and personal comments have been aimed at those of us foolhardy enough to suggest that things may possibly be anything less than 100% fantastically perfect. Edited July 13, 2017 by David McCaig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Anyone scooting past the Castle today ? A few pics would be appreciated. Is it true the ?2 million overspend is Thomaso's expense account for time spent on JKB? Small print included thomaso going easy on Levein for the time being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 ?2m spent on a giant 3D printer Haha folk walking up and hitting their heads off the screen like the Truman Show!! We should totally put an LED wall up on the top floor and stream the view of the castle, but put a huge shite emoji where Fester Road is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 This is common business practice. Projects in my experience always come in "on time and on budget". Of course the time and budget often depart radically from those in place at the start of the project. So far at least our timing seems fine. Clearly never built a house or house extension then ? In my experience rarely do projects this size come in on budget. There's a difference also in allowing it to go over for reasons spelt out by Ann Budge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Clearly never built a house or house extension then ? In my experience rarely do projects this size come in on budget. There's a difference also in allowing it to go over for reasons spelt out by Ann Budge He means that people just increase the budget and timescales when there are increases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I've no concerns about the increased costs. Sounds like Ann wants it done properly. I'd only be questioning where the extra funding is coming from, unless it's from the good lady herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Hopefully Edinburgh Castle's tourism gaffer adds in their leaflets that you can see Tynecastle's Skyline Restaurant/terrace from there... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I've no concerns about the increased costs. Sounds like Ann wants it done properly. I'd only be questioning where the extra funding is coming from, unless it's from the good lady herself. That is all anybody is questioning, particularly given that we were significantly short on the previous budgeted amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 He means that people just increase the budget and timescales when there are increases. Sort of ..there are usually procedures for adjustments to specification 9with agreed costs or arbitration) It's also possible to present things differently - eg to pay for something which was in your original spec from another source - eg fixtures and fittings - and theoretically not overspend. On timescales take the end date as when the snagging list is agreed not when the snags are fixed etc. An honest comparison of original budget/ timescale and actual delivery for the vast majority of projects, public or priovate would be that they overspend and run over time in virtually every instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Hopefully some of the 2 million includes getting rid of the police box to avoid the problem of the archetect having to explain why he designed a stand with seats that cannot see 1 of the goals. Edited July 13, 2017 by hughesie27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Aye but I would know the answer to that question before I asked for the improved works. I trust her 100% in these mattersThis is where I'm at. From the interview it sounds like it could be done cheaper but that's not what she wants. More bogs, bigger kiosks. It's not a vanity project. To me it seems there are suddenly certain parties keen to put a negative spin on something positive coming out of Tynecastle. Won't be finished on time, will be over budget etc. If it's late it's late. I'm convinced this woman is a safe pair of hands and I have every faith in her ability to get this massive thing done properly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 This is common business practice. Projects in my experience always come in "on time and on budget". Of course the time and budget often depart radically from those in place at the start of the project. So far at least our timing seems fine. It's the old project management triangle. Imagine a triangle of card resting on a marble. The three points are 'cost', 'time' and 'quality'. At any time only two of these points can rest on a surface. The third is raised up. And so for projects. You can only nail down two of these variables at the expense of the third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Hopefully Edinburgh Castle's tourism gaffer adds in their leaflets that you can see Tynecastle's Skyline Restaurant/terrace from there... . Only the very top of it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I'm hearing the overspend is down to them installing a number of JKB Padded Cells with straight jackets. Thankfully we'll save money by not installing smoke detectors in the toilets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Pinched from the Facebook main stand photo group, credit to Dave Durie Presumably taken this morning: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) I would presume re Ann's statement that the costs were primarily due to additions or changes at her request this wouldn't apply? Unless you mean if there are other delays not due to this? Being honest with client change and a tight programme I can't believe there will not be a delay. Also there is no chance on a job like this that if there is delay none of it will be contractor delay. It's possible that part of the overspend is paying acceleration and/or incentive costs to ensure completion is on time. Edited July 13, 2017 by Jammy T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts_fan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Pinched from the Facebook main stand photo group, credit to Dave Durie Presumably taken this morning: Monumentally spunk-******-tastic. Sometimes I have to pinch myself to make sure this is really happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Pinched from the Facebook main stand photo group, credit to Dave Durie Presumably taken this morning: That's the crane ready to drop this masterpiece into position but ours is with King Vlad and Queen Ann! Edited July 13, 2017 by Armageddon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Being honest with client change and a tight programme I can't believe there will not be a delay. Also there is no chance on a job like this that if there is delay none of it will be contractor delay. It's possible that part of the overspend is paying acceleration and/or incentive costs to ensure completion is on time. Possibly. I would also suggest that some delays might be possible without delaying the 9 sept public use. EG you could put temp toilets in the concourse and shunt the toilet installation till after the game (I'm not suggesting that will happen or that its a good idea - just an example of how you could still open) Also could not open the kiosks etc, just focuus on the seats and safety of access and ingress, evacuation lines etc. Would add to costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Re the view from the roof terrace - It is what it is, we had height restrictions so it was always going to be the view it will end up being The only thing I would say is that if the club only chose to construct the skyline lounge because it was assured of a certain view and it doesn't have that view and it can quantify any loss as a result then it might have a claim. But this isn't the club's fault either way And in any event the ground is bang in the middle of Gorgie - your view was always going to included a shitload of Gorgie before you get anywhere near the castle So I'm not sure quite what the issue is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandylejambo Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Thanks for the photos folks, I normally go to the last page but after reading the last page I nearly lost the will to live, thanks again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Monumentally spunk-******-tastic. Sometimes I have to pinch myself to make sure this is really happening.Snap. It truly is amazing. I doubt we will be in debt or have our playing budget drastically reduced. Just a feeling. We are almost ready for take off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbandit Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I see Kickback has done it's usual.. Jeez.. Any normal Jambo should be absolutely delighted just seeing this stand happening!! There are no negatives here, none. It's the best looking modern stand in the country and is fit for purpose in terms of capacity and facilities. Shove your skyline cries and grey panel moans up your hole. Can't wait to tomorrow night to firstly see the new stand progressing, and secondly to see our new look team take to the pitch. Cheer up Well said sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts_fan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Pinched from the Facebook main stand photo group, credit to Dave Durie Presumably taken this morning: Thomaso, I take it the badge and the Tynecastle Park sign are going in the horizontal centre of the glass wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Re the view from the roof terrace - It is what it is, we had height restrictions so it was always going to be the view it will end up being The only thing I would say is that if the club only chose to construct the skyline lounge because it was assured of a certain view and it doesn't have that view and it can quantify any loss as a result then it might have a claim. But this isn't the club's fault either way And in any event the ground is bang in the middle of Gorgie - your view was always going to included a shitload of Gorgie before you get anywhere near the castle So I'm not sure quite what the issue is. Can't see what the issue is either. It's hardly the fecking Toronto sky bar. It's the same height as the wheatfield so of course the view isn't going to be great and it's going to have a load of buildings of similar height at your eyeline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Pinched from the Facebook main stand photo group, credit to Dave Durie Presumably taken this morning: Excellent - I can't wait to walk up Gorgie Road and pause at Mcleod Street just to take it in - last time I saw it was a few weeks ago and next will be at the game I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashishere Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 jeez what happened to this thread The usual arseholes and vermin have got their mits on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Re the view from the roof terrace - It is what it is, we had height restrictions so it was always going to be the view it will end up being The only thing I would say is that if the club only chose to construct the skyline lounge because it was assured of a certain view and it doesn't have that view and it can quantify any loss as a result then it might have a claim. But this isn't the club's fault either way And in any event the ground is bang in the middle of Gorgie - your view was always going to included a shitload of Gorgie before you get anywhere near the castle So I'm not sure quite what the issue is. There is no issue other than drama queens and H1b5 fans trying to stir it! For me as an over 60 yo Hearts fan I never thought I would see this happen. Thanks to all at Tynecastle who have made this possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Naming rights perhaps ? Possibly but I think many have competely unrealistic expectations about how much a company would really be willing to pay for naming rights to the third biggest team in a shit league in a small country. Unless there's another mystery benefactor with a Save The Children style deal I can't see that it would be worth that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Possibly. I would also suggest that some delays might be possible without delaying the 9 sept public use. EG you could put temp toilets in the concourse and shunt the toilet installation till after the game (I'm not suggesting that will happen or that its a good idea - just an example of how you could still open) Also could not open the kiosks etc, just focuus on the seats and safety of access and ingress, evacuation lines etc. Would add to costs. I've always assumed that Sept 9th would see the Main Stand open as a Wheatfield-style shell - with the bare minimum needed to operate safely and effectively; basically a load of seats, pie kiosks and toilets. All the fancy innards of the stand are not necessary for basic matchday, as they are in the Wheatfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboJoker98 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Re the view from the roof terrace - It is what it is, we had height restrictions so it was always going to be the view it will end up being The only thing I would say is that if the club only chose to construct the skyline lounge because it was assured of a certain view and it doesn't have that view and it can quantify any loss as a result then it might have a claim. But this isn't the club's fault either way And in any event the ground is bang in the middle of Gorgie - your view was always going to included a shitload of Gorgie before you get anywhere near the castle So I'm not sure quite what the issue is. This is where I'm at too. The facilities built into this stand are miles ahead of pretty much the rest of Scottish football! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandylejambo Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 In terms of rising costs, as a retired builder I found that clients are surprised that I only priced for what was on the drawings, they new what was in their head but I was only aware of what was on the paper, it's very common for clients to add things to the job that they believed were already priced for, that has caused me a few headaches in the past, glad to say I am now living the dream away from such things and looking forward to sitting in the new fantastic stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairyinthat Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 That is all anybody is questioning, particularly given that we were significantly short on the previous budgeted amount. Yeah right,your here for the opportunity to criticise as per Been at a loose end since your anti Cathro/Levien gas was put at a peep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 That's the crane ready to drop this masterpiece into position but ours is with King Vlad and Queen Ann! Not a bad idea. Quite literally none of this would have happened without either one of them. You can't say the same for Mr. Robinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Yeah right,your here for the opportunity to criticise as per Been at a loose end since your anti Cathro/Levien gas was put at a peep Wrong person. I have been extremely supportive of Cathro and dont think I have ever posted anything negative about Levein. Given where we were financially, perhaps I am now a little paranoid about these things, but I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing. We are well short in terms of funding and so that is pretty concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfaces Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Hope you have a defibrillator to hand, mate. You need to calm doon a bit! I think a Do Not Resuscitate sign would be preferable. Anyway, I'm going for a look about lunchtime today since it's sunny. I'll offer my considered opinion on shades of grey, skylines and possible till positioning sometime thereafter. FTH. Edited July 13, 2017 by smallfaces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerryjambo41 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Another one from yesterday: Great pic Fila , if we could get more pics and less moaning we could get this thread back to being the best on kb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts_fan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Re: funding / budget / costs, I trust Ann completely. I'm personally not about to piss my pants unless Ann indicates there is a problem. Each day on here appears to be a fresh opportunity to have a ball-ache about something new. In the past week we've seen pants pissed in about the glass, then it was the Skyline view, now it's the funds... Any predictions of what the next drama could be? Back on topic, the new stand appears incredible! Thanks for the continued sharing of photographs and constructive 'construction' information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Is it not more the case that we have increased the budget, rather than exceeding it. Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I've always assumed that Sept 9th would see the Main Stand open as a Wheatfield-style shell - with the bare minimum needed to operate safely and effectively; basically a load of seats, pie kiosks and toilets. All the fancy innards of the stand are not necessary for basic matchday, as they are in the Wheatfield Likewise. Kiosks would need to be open I assume unless access to the Gorgie was closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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