Oliver Burke - An in demand young Scot

[i8hibsh]

Di stefano

 

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[hmfc_liam06]

Looking to develop young players too.

 

Yep, they appear to be doing everything that every supporter would love for their team...it just so happens they are owned by a corporate machine.

[Unknown user]

Looking to develop young players too.

In essence, they're the creation of the PR department of a multinational corporation.

There's no history, personality, tradition, or anything that football fans traditionally appreciate about their club, and it's blatant commercialism on a level not seen in Germany before.

 

For sure they have a history of work teams like Wolfsburg in Germany, but they genuinely were a works team, not just a marketing strategy for some suits.

[fabienleclerq]

In essence, they're the creation of the PR department of a multinational corporation.

There's no history, personality, tradition, or anything that football fans traditionally appreciate about their club, and it's blatant commercialism on a level not seen in Germany before.

 

For sure they have a history of work teams like Wolfsburg in Germany, but they genuinely were a works team, not just a marketing strategy for some suits.

 

 

Are Bayen any different? Milions pumped in by multinationals. They've taken over a fifth tier team and in five years have 20,000season ticket holders.Shows theres a big demand for them where they are.

[hmfc_liam06]

Are Bayen any different? Milions pumped in by multinationals. They've taken over a fifth tier team and in five years have 20,000season ticket holders.Shows theres a big demand for them where they are.

 

If a group of local businessmen had taken them over and achieved the same success everyone would be fawning over them.

 

But because it happens to be a huge global company that have done it then it's wrong...apparently.

 

Is it much different from Chevrolet or Adidas pumping an absolute fortune into Manchester United? Red Bull are using a team as a vehicle to advertise - I'm fine with that to be honest.

[Unknown user]

Are Bayen any different? Milions pumped in by multinationals. They've taken over a fifth tier team and in five years have 20,000season ticket holders.Shows theres a big demand for them where they are.

Yes

[fabienleclerq]

If a group of local businessmen had taken them over and achieved the same success everyone would be fawning over them.

 

But because it happens to be a huge global company that have done it then it's wrong...apparently.

 

Is it much different from Chevrolet or Adidas pumping an absolute fortune into Manchester United? Red Bull are using a team as a vehicle to advertise - I'm fine with that to be honest.

Couldn't agree more, fans from teams raking in fortunes from sponsors complaining about them seems hypocritical.

[Big Slim Stylee]

If a group of local businessmen had taken them over and achieved the same success everyone would be fawning over them.

 

But because it happens to be a huge global company that have done it then it's wrong...apparently.

 

Is it much different from Chevrolet or Adidas pumping an absolute fortune into Manchester United? Red Bull are using a team as a vehicle to advertise - I'm fine with that to be honest.

 

Very true.  You just have to look at the difference in attitude TOWARDS them and TSG Hoffenheim.  In Hoffenheim's case, they were bought by Dietmar Hopp who founded software giant SAP.  And has pumped an absolute fortune in.  But that's ok because he's a local lad.  

[Peebo]

Very true. You just have to look at the difference in attitude TOWARDS them and TSG Hoffenheim. In Hoffenheim's case, they were bought by Dietmar Hopp who founded software giant SAP. And has pumped an absolute fortune in. But that's ok because he's a local lad.

Not sure they do feel much love, to be honest.

[Jammy T]

More importantly who picks the Forest team? Phillipe or Pedro?

[Unknown user]

I don't see how this rampant commercialism is made ok by other rampant commercialism.

 

We're on a slippery slope toward Coca Cola vs Apple on the pitch, it's not good

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

If a group of local businessmen had taken them over and achieved the same success everyone would be fawning over them.

 

But because it happens to be a huge global company that have done it then it's wrong...apparently.

 

Is it much different from Chevrolet or Adidas pumping an absolute fortune into Manchester United? Red Bull are using a team as a vehicle to advertise - I'm fine with that to be honest.

In simple terms:

 

If Red Bull bought HMFC and took the same approach as they have at Salzburg, they'd change our strip colours, get rid of our badge and declare that the club was founded in 2016. They'd shed the club's history, prior achievements and pretend that none of it ever happened.

 

Fair play to you for supporting all that. You sound like a man of principle.

[Ibrahim Tall]

In simple terms:

If Red Bull bought HMFC and took the same approach as they have at Salzburg, they'd change our strip colours, get rid of our badge and declare that the club was founded in 2016. They'd shed the club's history, prior achievements and pretend that none of it ever happened.

Fair play to you for supporting all that. You sound like a man of principle.

Salzburg was 'wrong' but in the case of Leipzig they haven't done that, it's an entirely new club created in a city which basically didn't have a senior football club. They haven't changed any strips, badges or history as none existed prior.

[EIEIO]

Salzburg was 'wrong' but in the case of Leipzig they haven't done that, it's an entirely new club created in a city which basically didn't have a senior football club. They haven't changed any strips, badges or history as none existed prior.

Leipzig had a senior team not a top tier team for a good few years though. Why RB Leipzig are so unpopular is that the vast majority of sides are fan owned. They see the dangers of the RB model being adopted by more clubs and ruining German football.

This is not to say german clubs are not run like businesses , they are and are far more commercially savvy than us. They also know how to treat their fans.

 

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[john brownlee]

In simple terms:

 

If Red Bull bought HMFC and took the same approach as they have at Salzburg, they'd change our strip colours, get rid of our badge and declare that the club was founded in 2016. They'd shed the club's history, prior achievements and pretend that none of it ever happened.

 

Fair play to you for supporting all that. You sound like a man of principle.

some will go to great lengths to justify their blatant politics of envy.

Rich people buy things, maybe as a toy or they may like the football team. Nothing changes, I'm happy a millionaire has saved our club, and see the benefits.

However you don't sound like a man of principle, more like green with envy.

 

 

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[tian447]

I'd be eligible to play for England as my Dad was born there (passioante Scot though) and never in a million years would it cross my mind to turn my back on Scotland to play for England for footballing reasons.

 

I'd seriously question anyone who sat and played for another country because they thought it would give them a better chance of playing 3 or 4 games every 2 years.

 

I'm eligible to play for Germany as well as Scotland.

 

If I was a world class footballer, I would have to have some serious thoughts about which one to pick.

 

I'm also eligible to play for England because of that Home Nations schooling rule, but that's an easier decision - **** that!

[Ibrahim Tall]

Leipzig had a senior team not a top tier team for a good few years though. Why RB Leipzig are so unpopular is that the vast majority of sides are fan owned. They see the dangers of the RB model being adopted by more clubs and ruining German football.

This is not to say german clubs are not run like businesses , they are and are far more commercially savvy than us. They also know how to treat their fans.

 

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They had multiple, Lokomotive and Chemie being the two main ones and both were run disgracefully badly to point of bankruptcy by less 'corporate' owners than RB and now both the-formed clubs inhabit the 4/5th divisions.

My point was that rather than buy and rebrand a team with history like these two they created an entirely new club from nothing for a very large area that basically had none. If the demand wasn't there RB Leipzig wouldn't be where they are now with the support they have.

[tian447]

In simple terms:

 

If Red Bull bought HMFC and took the same approach as they have at Salzburg, they'd change our strip colours, get rid of our badge and declare that the club was founded in 2016. They'd shed the club's history, prior achievements and pretend that none of it ever happened.

 

Fair play to you for supporting all that. You sound like a man of principle.

 

Could you ****ing imagine this?

 

Red Bull Edinburgh (or even worse probably Red Bull Scotland since it's such a small country).  What would the RB be changed to in English?  Royal Burgh?  Getting rid of the maroon, and replacing it with Red or Navy Blue strips.  Tynecastle becoming the Red Bull Arena?

 

I wouldn't want to be any part of that.  Ever.

[Doc Rob]

This is why I think when a player becomes a professional one of the questions should be to declare what country they would like to represent if they have a choice.

Stops people like Martin O'Neill trying to pinch players for Ireland like Grealish of Aston Villa. These things should be sorted out straight away before International recognition comes calling.

The trouble with this is that none of us would want to be forced to live with decisions we took when we were 16.

 

The system is certainly flawed, but I can't think of a better one.

[Doc Rob]

Could you ******* imagine this?

Red Bull Edinburgh (or even worse probably Red Bull Scotland since it's such a small country).  What would the RB be changed to in English?  Royal Burgh?  Getting rid of the maroon, and replacing it with Red or Navy Blue strips.  Tynecastle becoming the Red Bull Arena?

 

I wouldn't want to be any part of that.  Ever.

That's not really what happened though. They didn't take over an established club in the top league and change all of its traditions. They bought out the league share of a fifth-tier outfit and set up a completely new club in an area of Germany whose traditional clubs had fallen on hard times. It's essentially the same model as Livingston or MK Dons, except that they weren't in direct competition with established clubs nearby.

 

I hate the way football is run by corporate money nowadays, but I can't see much wrong with what RB have done here. Having said that, Germany is probably the only major league that hasn't been completely ruined yet (with most clubs in fan ownership) so I can see why the other fans don't like the business model.

[Unknown user]

some will go to great lengths to justify their blatant politics of envy.

Rich people buy things, maybe as a toy or they may like the football team. Nothing changes, I'm happy a millionaire has saved our club, and see the benefits.

However you don't sound like a man of principle, more like green with envy.

 

 

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Wtf, politics of envy?

Having a problem with football's movement away from the people's game is politics of envy?

 

If you think Budge buying Hearts is even close to being similar there's no point in taking your point of view seriously

[Maroon Sailor]

The trouble with this is that none of us would want to be forced to live with decisions we took when we were 16.

The system is certainly flawed, but I can't think of a better one.

I think at 16 you know what national team means most to you.

 

Delaying committing yourself only causes you having a dilemma later on as people try to turn your head.

 

An improvement might be if you represent a country at any level then you commit yourself to that country for senior caps. Saves the farcical situation Ireland and England had with Grealish.

[TheBigO]

So Olly Burke guys eh!? Be interesting to see if he's a first pick. I hope so. Had hopes raised so many times by the new this and that but this is the first time I can think of that someone seems to have made a real move to back it up. Gauld the only other and we're still waiting to see how the lad does really - big season for him actually.

 

We're a ch and a cm away from being pretty decent Imo and even then maybe Snoddy can play cm with Fletch oe McArthur holding.

[tian447]

That's not really what happened though. They didn't take over an established club in the top league and change all of its traditions. They bought out the league share of a fifth-tier outfit and set up a completely new club in an area of Germany whose traditional clubs had fallen on hard times. It's essentially the same model as Livingston or MK Dons, except that they weren't in direct competition with established clubs nearby.

 

I hate the way football is run by corporate money nowadays, but I can't see much wrong with what RB have done here. Having said that, Germany is probably the only major league that hasn't been completely ruined yet (with most clubs in fan ownership) so I can see why the other fans don't like the business model.

 

I agree with what you're saying.  I wasn't saying that what Red Bull had done is wrong, I would just hate it to happen to us.

 

It's the equivalent of Red Bull buying shares in Coldstream or some other Amateur team, and getting them into the Premiership.

 

Why on earth they would want to spend money doing that in Scotland is another question altogether

[XB52]

I agree with what you're saying.  I wasn't saying that what Red Bull had done is wrong, I would just hate it to happen to us.

 

It's the equivalent of Red Bull buying shares in Coldstream or some other Amateur team, and getting them into the Premiership.

 

Why on earth they would want to spend money doing that in Scotland is another question altogether

Gretna??

[Unknown user]

Gretna??

And I'm sure you'll remember that once the small town romance wore off, there was actually quite a lot of contempt for the project from Scottish football.

There weren't a lot of tears shed when they died

[hmfc_liam06]

And I'm sure you'll remember that once the small town romance wore off, there was actually quite a lot of contempt for the project from Scottish football.

There weren't a lot of tears shed when they died

 

Because they threatened the position of others (dinosaurs) - no doubt.

[Unknown user]

Because they threatened the position of others (dinosaurs) - no doubt.

Aye so it was, were you actually born in 06 or something?

[hmfc_liam06]

Aye so it was, were you actually born in 06 or something?

 

Top bantz

[His name is]

What ever happened to the new wound Rooney, Robert fleck

 

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[Irufushi]

What ever happened to the new wound Rooney, Robert fleck

 

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John fleck? Was at Coventry, not sure if he still is.

[His name is]

John fleck? Was at Coventry, not sure if he still is.

Ahhh your correct, Robert was his dad lol

 

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[Ibrahim Tall]

John fleck? Was at Coventry, not sure if he still is.

Sheffield United now, was Coventrys best player last year to be fair. Starting to finally fulfil 'some' of his potential to be honest.

The Rooney comparison was ridiculous from the start, they're completely different types of player and purely based on his physique and desperation by the media to have a similar Scottish 'wonder kid'. Probably set him back massively as a result.

[Irufushi]

Sheffield United now, was Coventrys best player last year to be fair. Starting to finally fulfil 'some' of his potential to be honest.

The Rooney comparison was ridiculous from the start, they're completely different types of player and purely based on his physique and desperation by the media to have a similar Scottish 'wonder kid'. Probably set him back massively as a result.

Good that he is starting to perform at a good level.

[Unknown user]

Top bantz

Cheerz

[Peebo]

Ahhh your correct, Robert was his dad lol

 

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Robert is his uncle.

[His name is]

Robert is his uncle.

I'll stop posting now

 

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[Deans Jambo]

Set up Leipzigs winner versus Dortmund yesterday.

 

Highlights; http://www.replayfoot.com/borussia-dortmund-zusammenfassung-tor/

[fabienleclerq]

Good lad!

 

 

Forgot how much of a vagina Smithee was on this thread. Think I'll adopt Leipzig as my German team!