muldoon74 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Don't think anyone in here has said they cant. It is their general attitude and preaching which seems to piss people off. If anything it is vegans who are telling people what they should eat. bang on sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumpson Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Talk about being tarred with the same brush ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Don't think anyone in here has said they cant. It is their general attitude and preaching which seems to piss people off. If anything it is vegans who are telling people what they should eat.A family member is a vegan and has never preached to me about what I should eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Heard horrible stories about the environmental damage caused in some areas due to soya being grown, trees being cleared in some countries, I'm sure there was an channel 4 programme on it, the point was if vegans and veggies saw what was going they'd think twice about eating all that tofu. Meat production has a higher carbon footprint than vegetable production. http://www.greeneatz.com/foods-carbon-footprint.html Even the act of choosing your meat carefully can reduce your carbon footprint by a lot. http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet Neither of the above stops me from being a meat eater, but there's no shortage of evidence out there to suggest that meat production is more damaging to the environment than vegetable production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 You're right about B-12, vegans have to work on that, but I think they get plenty of calcium from soy products. I'm not vegan, so wtf do I know about it. As I said earlier, they all seem like a healthy bunch to me. Provided a balanced diet is being eaten then B12 is the only thing we need to supplement (unless we consume crazy amounts of fortified food) and even then it's just one wee tablet a week. Incidentally non-vegans should also think about supplementing B12; our bodies are pretty much terrible at absorbing it from food and get gradually worse at it as we age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Don't think anyone in here has said they cant. It is their general attitude and preaching which seems to piss people off. If anything it is vegans who are telling people what they should eat. This is complete bollocks. Meat eaters are the ones that preach at us and call us fussy eaters etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Meat production has a higher carbon footprint than vegetable production. http://www.greeneatz.com/foods-carbon-footprint.html Even the act of choosing your meat carefully can reduce your carbon footprint by a lot. http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet Neither of the above stops me from being a meat eater, but there's no shortage of evidence out there to suggest that meat production is more damaging to the environment than vegetable production. I can accept that, you can see the damage done by over grazing by sheep mostly, to the uplands of the UK, I work in the Forest of Bowland in Lancashire, farmers are being paid to block up drainage ditches that put in and are being paid to restore the damage to moorlands that caused, it's a bloody scam!!! I'm a meat eater but I'm carefully where I buy it, lucky enough to be able to get direct from some farms with a better farming model than most. Still, them preachy vegans and veggies get on my tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brightside Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Vegans are the kind of people who would put soy milk in their cereal. Not a good idea for men. http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychocAndy Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Not a good idea for men. http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects Virtually all scientific studies state that to be a load of nonsense. You'll find soya in various forms in all sorts of foods regardless of whether they're veggie/vegan or not and farm animals are commonly fed soya beans in massive quantities. If it really posed any sort of risk to men there would be widespread evidence, especially in Asia where it's a dietary staple. There isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Here's my take on it and it's from my own life experience. Had various vegetarian girlfriends over the years so I've toyed with the idea on a long term basis. Stuck out vegetarian diet for 3 months and I have to say that I felt no difference whatsoever. It was just a pain in the ass and I missed meat. 3 months was as much as I could tolerate. Before going back to meat, I tried a vegan diet for 2 weeks. It was awful in that it was difficult, incredibly restrictive, time-consuming and dull and I hated it. I did however feel completely different in my body. Not going to lie but I felt completely amazing. I had so much energy, slept better than ever, felt light and clean and just like a completely different person. No idea about the hows and whys and it was absolutely torturous but it felt so great. Vegetarian made no difference to the way I felt but veganism felt completely different. They were both shit and unsustainable but vegan was absolutely awful. Respect to people who do that to themselves and I can now understand why you do it but it wasn't for me. Not sure if I explained that well but at least I've tried being a vegan and vegetarian, although only for short times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Cretins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart McNeill Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 The way I see it. If I don't eat the meat then someone else will. I have nothing against them, it's More the ones that feel sorry for chickens or pigs but don't care about still eat fish etc.. Weird tbh. Just curious, is it just ten minute peta videos that put most people off meat? Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcap Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 The irony, veggies and vegans are being scolded for not eating a healthy, balanced diet, appears to be lost on those that think meat eaters do haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_bolton Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 There are two women at my work who are vegans. I don't know either of them, but I do know they are both vegans. Utterly tiresome. "But because I'M A VEGAN", "As a VEGAN", "Well, it's not so easy for VEGANS LIKE US". Honestly. Die. Pair of them stink as well. Should really be in the seethe thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 This is complete bollocks. Meat eaters are the ones that preach at us and call us fussy eaters etc. Bring a vegan makes you a fussy eater. So what though, that's you're prerogative. I wouldn't have you round for dinner though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haken Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Each to their own and all that, but... ...wtf is a meat eater? Okay, I know, it's someone who eats meat. But presumably it's not someone who eats meat but not vegetables (like a tiger, for instance). So a meat eater is someone who eats meat and vegetables, and fruit and dairy products, etc. Or, if you prefer, an omnivore. Humans are omnivores, and we've got the teeth (unless from Leith) and the digestive systems to prove it. Do away with all these labels like vegetarian, vegan, piscavore, whatever. Herbivore, omnivore and carnivore covers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 The irony, veggies and vegans are being scolded for not eating a healthy, balanced diet, appears to be lost on those that think meat eaters do haha Djokovic is only half a vegan and he seems to be doing alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Djokovic is only half a vegan and he seems to be doing alright. Great bum apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Great bum apparently. I'll take your word on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I'm more than happy to be omnivorous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Vegetarians I can tolerate. Although, what I really don't understand is vegetarians who eat fish? I've met a few. My mates other half does Weirder still lassie in work is a veggie who also likes.... Bacon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 My mates other half does Weirder still lassie in work is a veggie who also likes.... Bacon As I said above - that person is a liar if they are calling themselves a vegetarian. If you are vegetarian you don't eat dead animals - meat or fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I think vegans can have trouble getting enough calcium and particularly vitamin B12. As someone who eats meat, we can as well! I'm currently going through a helluva time, health wise, due to a severe lack of B12 and I'm currently on medication to help, which I'm hoping sorts it out. As for who pushes who's agenda, I cant say I've had any vegans who've 'pushed' their ideas onto me. In fact, the vegans I've come across are fairly relaxed and couldnt give two ****s if you eat meat next to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Here's my take on it and it's from my own life experience. Had various vegetarian girlfriends over the years so I've toyed with the idea on a long term basis. Stuck out vegetarian diet for 3 months and I have to say that I felt no difference whatsoever. It was just a pain in the ass and I missed meat. 3 months was as much as I could tolerate. Before going back to meat, I tried a vegan diet for 2 weeks. It was awful in that it was difficult, incredibly restrictive, time-consuming and dull and I hated it. I did however feel completely different in my body. Not going to lie but I felt completely amazing. I had so much energy, slept better than ever, felt light and clean and just like a completely different person. No idea about the hows and whys and it was absolutely torturous but it felt so great. Vegetarian made no difference to the way I felt but veganism felt completely different. They were both shit and unsustainable but vegan was absolutely awful. Respect to people who do that to themselves and I can now understand why you do it but it wasn't for me. Not sure if I explained that well but at least I've tried being a vegan and vegetarian, although only for short times. I did the veggie thing for a short period. I always got told how healthy I looked. But by god I missed burgers and bacon. So in the end I weighed up the pros and cons and decided from that moment onwards vegetarianism is not for me. Also I have noticed how vegans are so fecking self righteous. Although I still eat meat my diet is more varied and once or twice a week I'll have a busman's holiday and have a veggie lasagne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordiegords Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I'm vegan, its a piece of pi55, B12 levels fine, calcium fine, Omega 3 fine, Watched the three documentaries "cowspiracy" "forks over knives" and "earthlings" Earthlings is a horrible watch, cannae believe what we do to the innocent. Anyway, i'm pretty fit and my asthma is fairly non existent since giving up dairy products. If anyone is thinking about it shoot me a pm and i can help, Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I know a few veggies and none of them preach about it. In fact usually its when people find out its them who get grief and quizzed about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Turn up at a BBQ and ask for the non meat options..... At a restaurant ask about 100 questions about a main dish then get a salad Send a whole dish back because the sauce contains something that they don't like. Why can't they eat their own diet 99% of the time but when out in a group, etc , don't be a cxxt. I am not a Indian fan, but go out for Indians and manage, I don't cause a big scene and piss everyone off. If its for allergy's then fair enough, but if its a choice get a grip when out in a group and don't be a twat. In your own time eat/ don't eat what you want but don't be a dick when out in a group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Turn up at a BBQ and ask for the non meat options..... At a restaurant ask about 100 questions about a main dish then get a salad Send a whole dish back because the sauce contains something that they don't like. Why can't they eat their own diet 99% of the time but when out in a group, etc , don't be a cxxt. I am not a Indian fan, but go out for Indians and manage, I don't cause a big scene and piss everyone off. If its for allergy's then fair enough, but if its a choice get a grip when out in a group and don't be a ****. In your own time eat/ don't eat what you want but don't be a dick when out in a group Jesus, we don't not eat certain things just to be awkward and annoy people. For most vegans/veggies it's a fundamental ethical and moral belief, why does it upset you so much? Would you suggest a Muslim eats pork or a Hindu eats beef when eating with others? Eating a veggie burger at a BBQ isn't exactly a massive hardship to any one and most restaurants are only too happy to provide suitable options, indeed some chefs even like the challenge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchy frog Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 If god didn't want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Turn up at a BBQ and ask for the non meat options..... At a restaurant ask about 100 questions about a main dish then get a salad Send a whole dish back because the sauce contains something that they don't like. Why can't they eat their own diet 99% of the time but when out in a group, etc , don't be a cxxt. I am not a Indian fan, but go out for Indians and manage, I don't cause a big scene and piss everyone off. If its for allergy's then fair enough, but if its a choice get a grip when out in a group and don't be a ****. In your own time eat/ don't eat what you want but don't be a dick when out in a group People have heard of Islamaphobia - you seem to have a similar phobia about Vegetarians. Some basic answers to your stupid points: For BBQ you can take veggie burgers, veggie sausages etc. At a restauraunt there is only an issue for me at A la Carte restauraunts when you can't tell what the food is to know if it is suitable to eat. I get physically sick if I eat meat, which is why I went vegetarian. If I order from a restauraunt I will pick something I can eat, and have never sent a dish back For your last point you want vegetarians to eat meat because everyone else is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 If god didn't want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat Maybe he wanted us to eat each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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