Half time pie Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 But I thought the drive was for forwards? A golie and another defender. Unless Robbie is getting some serious money for Patterson which would fund some decent tallent up front, we could be left short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Hearts Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 But I thought the drive was for forwards? A golie and another defender. Unless Robbie is getting some serious money for Patterson which would fund some decent tallent up front, we could be left short. Think we could do with another defensive midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 But I thought the drive was for forwards? A golie and another defender. Unless Robbie is getting some serious money for Patterson which would fund some decent tallent up front, we could be left short. We'll still get a forward, no need to panic because a striker isn't being rumoured first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Think we could do with another defensive midfielder. Gomis might yet stay on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 We'll still get a forward, no need to panic because a striker isn't being rumoured first. We also need a better left back anyway. And some pace in the team. I am still working on the assumption that we will play 3-5-2 a bit next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 We also need a better left back anyway. And some pace in the team. I am still working on the assumption that we will play 3-5-2 a bit next season. I still think Oshaniwa can do well as a left wing back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I still think Oshaniwa can do well as a left wing back. Don't disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoBerthe Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Would rather we scouted players differently other than a 10.00 a month website called wyscout to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Would rather we scouted players differently other than a 10.00 a month website called wyscout to be honest We use wyscout as part of a big process of evaluating a player. Neilson explained it a few months ago while praising John Murray. He gave the example that, they get hundreds of emails from agents trying to get the club to sign their player. Only about 4 or 5 of those sound promising, they will then use wyscout to get more information on the player and ability. If the player still sounds interesting after that, they will send Murray over to watch the player play. If Murray reports back and the player sounds really promising, Neilson will have a further look at him. Neilson will speak to contacts from where the player plays to get more background on the player (what he is like off the field, temperament etc.) They will then invite player over and speak with him to get more of a feel of them, and after all that if we feel the player fits we will make the offer to sign them. Thats this one way a player is recruited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Would rather we scouted players differently other than a 10.00 a month website called wyscout to be honest I'll pass this on to Man U and Arsenal mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 We use wyscout as part of a big process of evaluating a player. Neilson explained it a few months ago while praising John Murray. He gave the example that, they get hundreds of emails from agents trying to get the club to sign their player. Only about 4 or 5 of those sound promising, they will then use wyscout to get more information on the player and ability. If the player still sounds interesting after that, they will send Murray over to watch the player play. If Murray reports back and the player sounds really promising, Neilson will have a further look at him. Neilson will speak to contacts from where the player plays to get more background on the player (what he is like off the field, temperament etc.) They will then invite player over and speak with him to get more of a feel of them, and after all that if we feel the player fits we will make the offer to sign them. Thats this one way a player is recruited. No mate, we just look at a 5 minute highlight reel on YouTube and decide straight away based on that. You can't prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 We use wyscout as part of a big process of evaluating a player. Neilson explained it a few months ago while praising John Murray. He gave the example that, they get hundreds of emails from agents trying to get the club to sign their player. Only about 4 or 5 of those sound promising, they will then use wyscout to get more information on the player and ability. If the player still sounds interesting after that, they will send Murray over to watch the player play. If Murray reports back and the player sounds really promising, Neilson will have a further look at him. Neilson will speak to contacts from where the player plays to get more background on the player (what he is like off the field, temperament etc.) They will then invite player over and speak with him to get more of a feel of them, and after all that if we feel the player fits we will make the offer to sign them. Thats this one way a player is recruited. And it worked well with Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I still think Oshaniwa can do well as a left wing back. Hope so, needs to get the basics right, if he does this we could see a player. We can't carry players, needs to hit next season as a player, not a " might " be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 And it worked well with Anderson. Its not perfect, so some wont make it. But he have a higher success rate then most clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimosavi Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 It's all went quite on this lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoBerthe Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 And it worked well with Anderson. and oshaniwa ? El hass ? Obviously wouldn't complain if we can get great players from it but anyone decent would surely be snapped up before the rest of us scramble to look at youtube clips for the scraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalstonjambo Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 and oshaniwa ? El hass ? Obviously wouldn't complain if we can get great players from it but anyone decent would surely be snapped up before the rest of us scramble to look at youtube clips for the scraps. Just ignoring the ones that did work out then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Hope so, needs to get the basics right, if he does this we could see a player. We can't carry players, needs to hit next season as a player, not a " might " be. Ian Black was with us for 3 years and only started to perform half way through that period It's all went quite on this lad I think that we can't sign anyone before the 9th(?) June, so they won't be saying much before the deal is sealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinger Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 and oshaniwa ? El hass ? Obviously wouldn't complain if we can get great players from it but anyone decent would surely be snapped up before the rest of us scramble to look at youtube clips for the scraps. there has been some success Kitchen Sow Rossi Djoum Ozturk Augustyn Zeefuik Pallardo (was quality last season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I still think Oshaniwa can do well as a left wing back. Seriously, can I have some of what you are on please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I still think Oshaniwa can do well as a left wing back.Me too. 3 centre backs free him slightly from some defensive duties and he looks promising with the ball at hus feet. Just as likely to get a cross in as Paterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Would rather we scouted players differently other than a 10.00 a month website called wyscout to be honest Do you honestly think that's the only thing the club does when scouting a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoBerthe Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Just ignoring the ones that did work out then? not at all glad when they do just stating the obvious about the ones that haven't. Fair point taken though some have been successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 There have been successes and failures in the recruitment process. But overall the standard of the squad has risen and we have playing success on the field to show it with a Champioship title and third place in the SPL achieved. With the probable exception of Jason Holt decisions to release players have not come back to bite us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoBerthe Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'll pass this on to Man U and Arsenal mate With that said has there recruitment been great the last couple of years when apparently using wyscout I'd argue they've both gone backwards if this is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig.still1 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 To this point, I think most of our signings since admin have been fit for purpose. Ozturk, sow, zeefuick, Djoum, Souttar and kitchen have been the high spots. Buaben, Gomis and the likes have done a job for the level we were at. We need to use this close season to up the overall quality. Rangers will splash dough some how - maybe get the rubber cheque book out again. Celtic will follow suit. Aberdeen already have a decent squad and will add no doubt. Our bench never looks all that impressive to me. Letting King go without a replacement in place has puzzled me since it happened. We're in decent shape at the back bar left back. We need to make improvements further up the pitch. We lost our threat over the second have of the season, lost all our tempo from last season and the start of this season. I hope that's not a conscious decision that's been made. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 With the probable exception of Jason Holt decisions to release players have not come back to bite us. Holt wasn't released he was offered but didn't sign a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 There have been successes and failures in the recruitment process. But overall the standard of the squad has risen and we have playing success on the field to show it with a Champioship title and third place in the SPL achieved. With the probable exception of Jason Holt decisions to release players have not come back to bite us. When did Jason Holt come back to bite us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 When did Jason Holt come back to bite us? By his increased standing and performances at Rangers were he has been given a 4 year contract. Evidence that we might have tried harder to keep him. Not conclusive evidence I sgree and thats why I said 'probably'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalstonjambo Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 By his increased standing and performances at Rangers were he has been given a 4 year contract. Evidence that we might have tried harder to keep him. Not conclusive evidence I sgree and thats why I said 'probably'. If rangers have genuine desires to win the league Holt will be nowhere near that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Holt wasn't released he was offered but didn't sign a new contract. Holt was offered a 1 year contract extension and told his game time would be limited and if he wanted to find another club he could do so . So Too put things into perspective they did not try that hard to keep him if you take into consideration some of the other players contracts they have handed out . What i would say the guy has not much wrong since he went and has more than proved himself even Rangers supporters would verify that and some rate him very highly and think he has been steel of the season . anyway good luck to him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Holt was offered a 1 year contract extension/So agreed we didn't release him. I suppose we'll need to wait and see how he performs in the top league as to whether or not be is a better option than Djoum. He showed when he was with us he was good enough for the Scottish Championship, but didn't exactly shine when he went down south. We'll maybe see next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Anarchy Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'm sick to death of hearing about Jason Holt. Took me 2 minutes to get over him leaving. For that two minutes I was disappointed. Let it go eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 By his increased standing and performances at Rangers were he has been given a 4 year contract. Evidence that we might have tried harder to keep him. Not conclusive evidence I sgree and thats why I said 'probably'. I suspect if we'd offered him the kind of (silly) money sevco no doubt have, then I'm sure he wouldn't have been so bothered about the "limited game time". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Djoum is better than Holt so he's no loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I suspect if we'd offered him the kind of (silly) money sevco no doubt have, then I'm sure he wouldn't have been so bothered about the "limited game time". I agree. He will become a bit part player next year if Rangers signing rumuors are true but won't complain as has the money coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'd honestly rather have Buaben than Jason Holt. One of the most overrated players we've had in the recent past imo. He's a decent championship player but Djoum is streets ahead of him and he wouldn't even get a game for us now never mind in a squad aiming to challenge for the league ffs. On topic never heard of this guy but if we could get a reliable left back who can actually defend then our defence would be looking really solid so here's hoping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'd honestly rather have Buaben than Jason Holt. One of the most overrated players we've had in the recent past imo. He's a decent championship player but Djoum is streets ahead of him and he wouldn't even get a game for us now never mind in a squad aiming to challeng for the league ffs. On topic never heard of this guy but if we could get a reliable left back who can actually defend then our defence would be looking really solid so here's hoping! Same. Holt was not good enough. Buaben and Djoum have both looked way better than Holt ever did for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 if this guy is an out and out attacking player maybe we'll be setting up with wing backs like robbie always wanted, as a complete stab in the dark - _________________________Gilks ________Souttar/new CB__Ozturk__Rossi _________Paterson__Buaben__Kitchen__Rherras ____________________Walker__Djoum ___________________Juanma/new striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroonblood22 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'm sick to death of hearing about Jason Holt. Took me 2 minutes to get over him leaving. For that two minutes I was disappointed. Let it go eh? This in absolute spades. Holt is no longer a Hearts player and hasn't been for almost a year, get over it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroonblood22 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 if this guy is an out and out attacking player maybe we'll be setting up with wing backs like robbie always wanted, as a complete stab in the dark - _________________________Gilks ________Souttar/new CB__Ozturk__Rossi _________Paterson__Buaben__Kitchen__Rherras ____________________Walker__Djoum ___________________Juanma/new striker You might not be too far off with that and to be honest I wouldn't be against it. I do think we will look to strengthen the midfield though with some proper competition for Buaben. A new striker must be top of the list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Holt will be looking for another club if they get barton and kranjcar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Holt will be looking for another club if they get barton and kranjcar He is signed until 2020 so won't need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 And it worked well with Anderson. also worked not too badly with Djoum and Kitchen !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 He is signed until 2020 so won't need to. Given he was greeting about not getting games for us then I think he will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 So agreed we didn't release him. I suppose we'll need to wait and see how he performs in the top league as to whether or not be is a better option than Djoum. He showed when he was with us he was good enough for the Scottish Championship, but didn't exactly shine when he went down south. We'll maybe see next season. Yes we can all wait and see but all i was pointing out was it was hardly a offer he could refuse given the stipulations that went with it and what other players had been offered . At the end of the day if he goes on to be a success then good on the guy he is certainly doing himself no harm at the moment and is now worth far more than what they payed for him . He wont be the 1st player to have done better at other at another club and i'm sure he won't be the last and by that i'm not just meaning players who have moved on from our club . Only on Saturday one of our ex under 20's hardly gave Juanma or Duada a sniff and Danny Swanson never looked out of place . The end of the day not every decision our Manager or DOF make is going to be the right one as they can make mistakes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Given he was greeting about not getting games for us then I think he will That's if you believe that was the main reason for him wanting away. His agent had been turning his head for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 That's if you believe that was the main reason for him wanting away. His agent had been turning his head for a while It had nothing to do with his agent it was what he was offered . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 It had nothing to do with his agent it was what he was offered .was it, aye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the big show Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 was it, aye? Yes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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