Unknown user Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 If ever there was a video showing what a tinpot league we are in then that is it.. Both Bristol clubs to have over 25k seater new stadiums.. Bristol has similar population to Edinburgh.. There is nothing left for Scottish football.. In my opinion we need to merge with English football.. Either that or at least take the biggest clubs to there (like Wales) and leave the rest of them to battle it out.. In my opinion England could incorporate 5 teams in their system.. Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen. Then either a joint Dundee team or Hibs.. Even if we had to start in the bottom leagues while serving our notice to the SFA.. Work our way up.. England don't want or need us, and that's fine by me. Scotland is a nation of 5 million people, I wish people would remember that before starting the self loathing jock routine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussAsia Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 England don't want or need us, and that's fine by me. Scotland is a nation of 5 million people, I wish people would remember that before starting the self loathing jock routine But we need them.. Our league is dying a death as can be seen by the dwindling crowds everywhere except for Tynecastle and this season Ibrox.. Considering Scotland voted to stay joined onto England then we could at least get some of the benefits.. Some of our teams going into the English pyramid would revitalise the supports of those clubs.. Like I said.. start at the bottom and work our way up.. clearly some would get up before others.. but seriously if there is 9 leagues to get through and we can't play in both for the first couple of years then it is still a small price to pay.. TV money is the be all and end all now.. Scotland's won't get any higher.. England's might reduce but not enough not to be significantly higher than in Scotland.. The best players from League 2 wouldn't come to us (transfer fees / salary on offer).. That is the 4th division down there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 But we need them.. Our league is dying a death as can be seen by the dwindling crowds everywhere except for Tynecastle and this season Ibrox.. Considering Scotland voted to stay joined onto England then we could at least get some of the benefits.. Some of our teams going into the English pyramid would revitalise the supports of those clubs.. Like I said.. start at the bottom and work our way up.. clearly some would get up before others.. but seriously if there is 9 leagues to get through and we can't play in both for the first couple of years then it is still a small price to pay.. TV money is the be all and end all now.. Scotland's won't get any higher.. England's might reduce but not enough not to be significantly higher than in Scotland.. The best players from League 2 wouldn't come to us (transfer fees / salary on offer).. That is the 4th division down there.. We need them for what? What we need is to move forward and work with what we've got. Casting envious glances at England does nothing, and whether you think we need them or not (we don't), we're not joining the English league system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 But we need them.. Our league is dying a death as can be seen by the dwindling crowds everywhere except for Tynecastle and this season Ibrox.. Considering Scotland voted to stay joined onto England then we could at least get some of the benefits.. Some of our teams going into the English pyramid would revitalise the supports of those clubs.. Like I said.. start at the bottom and work our way up.. clearly some would get up before others.. but seriously if there is 9 leagues to get through and we can't play in both for the first couple of years then it is still a small price to pay.. TV money is the be all and end all now.. Scotland's won't get any higher.. England's might reduce but not enough not to be significantly higher than in Scotland.. The best players from League 2 wouldn't come to us (transfer fees / salary on offer).. That is the 4th division down there.. I'm struggling to see how a midweek trip to Accrington would "revitalise the support" of any club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I think eventually there will be some sort of merge. Going on a journey up the leagues in England (think of the away days) can only be better than being stuck in one of the shitest leagues in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I'm struggling to see how a midweek trip to Accrington would "revitalise the support" of any clubIm sure if instead of Aberdeen away next, it was visiting Accrington for the first time we'd take a far bigger support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Impressive. They should move to a bigger stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Im sure if instead of Aberdeen away next, it was visiting Accrington for the first time we'd take a far bigger support. A one-off trip to a different ground is totally different from regular league visits. Last season was a classic example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 English football doesn't need us and i doubt they will want us, It's' Scottish football for us Scottish teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 A one-off trip to a different ground is totally different from regular league visits. Last season was a classic example Im sure our sights would be set higher than Accrington Stanley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Languishing in League Two playing dross like Crawley Town and Stevenage doesn't really appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 English football doesn't need us and i doubt they will want us, It's' Scottish football for us Scottish teams. Exactly, and people can waste as much time, effort and argument as they want, we are not going to be voted into the English league system. For 20 years I've been hearing "in the next 10 years" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 English football doesn't need us and i doubt they will want us, It's' Scottish football for us Scottish and Irish teams. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 England don't want or need us, and that's fine by me. Scotland is a nation of 5 million people, I wish people would remember that before starting the self loathing jock routine Decided to compare countries football attendances with similar populations. Denmark, Finland, Slovakia and Norway have between 5.1M and 5.7M. Scotland's average top flight attendances this season is 9,613. Hearts' average attendance in the league is 16,469. Denmark 7,184 Norway 6,711 Slovakia 2,666 Finland 2,574 Only Rosenborg (18,039) and Celtic (44,321) had higher average top flight attendances than Hearts from these 5 countries. Scotland does really well considering our size. If we had 10% of the TV money that England gets, it would be a far higher standard of league. As for West Ham, their cheapest adult season ticket is only ?289, last season their cheapest was ?675. They are doing exactly what every EPL team should be doing to reward their fans for their loyalty, English football fans have been paying too much money to watch their teams for years. Now that English clubs have the big TV deal, they should be giving the fans something back. West Ham got a great deal for the Olympic Stadium, they've offered their fans cheap(er) season tickets and now they will be playing on front of a full stadium every fortnight instead of empty seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Decided to compare countries football attendances with similar populations. Denmark, Finland, Slovakia and Norway have between 5.1M and 5.7M. Scotland's average top flight attendances this season is 9,613. Hearts' average attendance in the league is 16,469. Denmark 7,184 Norway 6,711 Slovakia 2,666 Finland 2,574 Only Rosenborg (18,039) and Celtic (44,321) had higher average top flight attendances than Hearts from these 5 countries. Scotland does really well considering our size. If we had 10% of the TV money that England gets, it would be a far higher standard of league. As for West Ham, their cheapest adult season ticket is only ?289, last season their cheapest was ?675. They are doing exactly what every EPL team should be doing to reward their fans for their loyalty, English football fans have been paying too much money to watch their teams for years. Now that English clubs have the big TV deal, they should be giving the fans something back. West Ham got a great deal for the Olympic Stadium, they've offered their fans cheap(er) season tickets and now they will be playing on front of a full stadium every fortnight instead of empty seats. Great analysis, cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Good post from Statto there, but one point I'd like to make. In recent years West Ham have not played in front of many empty seats. This was part of the reason they looked to move to a bigger stadium in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 As for West Ham, their cheapest adult season ticket is only ?289, last season their cheapest was ?675. They are doing exactly what every EPL team should be doing to reward their fans for their loyalty, English football fans have been paying too much money to watch their teams for years. Now that English clubs have the big TV deal, they should be giving the fans something back. West Ham got a great deal for the Olympic Stadium, they've offered their fans cheap(er) season tickets and now they will be playing on front of a full stadium every fortnight instead of empty seats.I wonder if it will make Spurs, Chelsea and especially Arsenal start to wonder if their prices will put off a generation of new fans and they may have to think about similar pricing as a consequence. London is regionalised when it comes to who you support but if the Hammers are doing well then they could well draw fans from further afield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussAsia Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Decided to compare countries football attendances with similar populations. Denmark, Finland, Slovakia and Norway have between 5.1M and 5.7M. Scotland's average top flight attendances this season is 9,613. Hearts' average attendance in the league is 16,469. Denmark 7,184 Norway 6,711 Slovakia 2,666 Finland 2,574 Only Rosenborg (18,039) and Celtic (44,321) had higher average top flight attendances than Hearts from these 5 countries. Scotland does really well considering our size. If we had 10% of the TV money that England gets, it would be a far higher standard of league. As for West Ham, their cheapest adult season ticket is only ?289, last season their cheapest was ?675. They are doing exactly what every EPL team should be doing to reward their fans for their loyalty, English football fans have been paying too much money to watch their teams for years. Now that English clubs have the big TV deal, they should be giving the fans something back. West Ham got a great deal for the Olympic Stadium, they've offered their fans cheap(er) season tickets and now they will be playing on front of a full stadium every fortnight instead of empty seats. Now tell us about how those other teams got on in Europe.. Their highest transfer fees and their current top players and salaries.. What I am saying is the attendances seem to count for very little when the other TV money is so paltry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Now tell us about how those other teams got on in Europe.. Their highest transfer fees and their current top players and salaries.. What I am saying is the attendances seem to count for very little when the other TV money is so paltry What you're saying is let's join a club that won't let us in. It's not the most useful advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Good luck to West Ham tonight on what is sure to be an emotional night C O Y I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 If they waste the candy on Benteke I'm gonna start supporting Spurs I seriously hope they do, I'm desperate to get rid of him [emoji3] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel 10 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Love West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 As for West Ham, their cheapest adult season ticket is only ?289, last season their cheapest was ?675. They are doing exactly what every EPL team should be doing to reward their fans for their loyalty, English football fans have been paying too much money to watch their teams for years. Now that English clubs have the big TV deal, they should be giving the fans something back. West Ham got a great deal for the Olympic Stadium, they've offered their fans cheap(er) season tickets and now they will be playing on front of a full stadium every fortnight instead of empty seats. I'm not being funny, but I don't know how many ?275 season tickets there were. I certainly couldn't find any when I had a look for myself many months ago. Mostly, they're much much more. What I love though is the way they're building for the future with cheap kids tickets. They reckon there are 10k cheap kids seats sold in the 52k ST sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 West Ham have the second most expensive season tickets in the EPL this season, and the same next season. The tax payer has been fleeced in this Tory party stitch up and the owners stand to make millions. It's indefensible, but I suppose if you're West Ham you've got to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 West Ham have the second most expensive season tickets in the EPL this season, and the same next season. The tax payer has been fleeced in this Tory party stitch up and the owners stand to make millions. It's indefensible, but I suppose if you're West Ham you've got to try. Get over it. West Ham did nothing wrong. As Sullivan rightly says, West Ham's involvement has saved the taxpayer being lumbered with a very expensive white elephant. As I said earlier, good luck to West Ham tonight, I hope that they give the old place the send off it deserves C O Y I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussAsia Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 What you're saying is let's join a club that won't let us in. It's not the most useful advice I'm sure we could join if we started in the lowest league (such as AFC Wimbledon and FC United).. As for location then as Britain is one country I am sure we wouldn't have a great deal of problems (especially with 3 Welsh clubs already playing in that league).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I want West Ham to win because it's their last game there. I want Man.U to win to stop City getting to the CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 If ever there was a video showing what a tinpot league we are in then that is it.. Both Bristol clubs to have over 25k seater new stadiums.. Bristol has similar population to Edinburgh.. There is nothing left for Scottish football.. In my opinion we need to merge with English football.. Either that or at least take the biggest clubs to there (like Wales) and leave the rest of them to battle it out.. In my opinion England could incorporate 5 teams in their system.. Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen. Then either a joint Dundee team or Hibs.. Even if we had to start in the bottom leagues while serving our notice to the SFA.. Work our way up.. I'm starting to think that if we don't find a way to do this then the game will wither and die up here. In any decent professional sense anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I'm starting to think that if we don't find a way to do this then the game will wither and die up here. In any decent professional sense anyway. The Scottish game is fine, my gripe is the administrators and those who run it. They are the ones responsible, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 ****ing sick of this West Ham, London media wankfest. Yeah, Upton Park was a fun ground. But at least have the dignity to go to your new taxpayer-subsidised stadium without boring the rest of us about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Get over it. West Ham did nothing wrong. As Sullivan rightly says, West Ham's involvement has saved the taxpayer being lumbered with a very expensive white elephant. As I said earlier, good luck to West Ham tonight, I hope that they give the old place the send off it deserves C O Y I Ha ha. The clubs crooked and you know it. Live with it. #50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Ha ha. The clubs crooked and you know it. Live with it. #50 and I meant to say. 50 notes for ST holders to take there seats home tonight. ****ing liberty.Tonight is West Ham's funeral, nothing less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The Olympic stadium looks like a horrific place to watch a football match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The Olympic stadium looks like a horrific place to watch a football match. It does that, but at least the Iron's can comfort themselves by nipping into John Lewis and buying some cushions after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 and I meant to say. 50 notes for ST holders to take there seats home tonight. ******* liberty.Tonight is West Ham's funeral, nothing less Are you buying yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalstonjambo Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 and I meant to say. 50 notes for ST holders to take there seats home tonight. Would be interesting to see if HMFC did this how many people would buy them. Quite a smart idea for me. I'd hope we do something like this with the main stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Are you buying yours? No, because everybody knows us we're called Millwall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Pwopa naughty scenes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Make them play behind closed doors...that would be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I'm sure we could join if we started in the lowest league (such as AFC Wimbledon and FC United).. As for location then as Britain is one country I am sure we wouldn't have a great deal of problems (especially with 3 Welsh clubs already playing in that league).. Nope, it would need the permission of the FAs involved, UEFA, and a vote from the teams in the English leagues, who have no reason to let us in, and many of whom are openly opposed to the idea. If it was possible we wouldn't see the OF's arses for dust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Get over it. West Ham did nothing wrong. As Sullivan rightly says, West Ham's involvement has saved the taxpayer being lumbered with a very expensive white elephant. As I said earlier, good luck to West Ham tonight, I hope that they give the old place the send off it deserves C O Y I Utter, utter bollocks. The only options were NOT A) hand it to West ham for next to nothing watch it waste away Tbh it's quite insulting that West ham fans keep claiming this is the case, that lands worth MILLIONS and could have been used for practically anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Nice to see teh Hammersmfans living up to the 'Green Street' reputation and caning the Man Utd bus. Still, all in good spirits, or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socrates82 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 If ever there was a video showing what a tinpot league we are in then that is it.. Both Bristol clubs to have over 25k seater new stadiums.. Bristol has similar population to Edinburgh.. There is nothing left for Scottish football.. In my opinion we need to merge with English football.. Either that or at least take the biggest clubs to there (like Wales) and leave the rest of them to battle it out.. In my opinion England could incorporate 5 teams in their system.. Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen. Then either a joint Dundee team or Hibs.. Even if we had to start in the bottom leagues while serving our notice to the SFA.. Work our way up.. Let's just abolish Scotland altogether? Who needs unique leagues, cultures, events and so on. Let's just do exactly what England does because they're bigger than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Massive deflection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Make them play behind closed doors...that would be funny. I remember a game in 1980 when I was a lad they played at the Boleyn behind closed doors. I listened to it on the radio. It was very strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNCASTLE Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 Nope, it would need the permission of the FAs involved, UEFA, and a vote from the teams in the English leagues, who have no reason to let us in, and many of whom are openly opposed to the idea. If it was possible we wouldn't see the OF's arses for dust It's been looked into by taking over a bankrupt club and relocating. The "Head Office" of the club needs to be in England meaning a facade in Berwick. The new club would hold the status of of wherever the bankrupt club were in the pyramid. This really was an option post Romanov, pre Budge. Don't think it is any more. It didn't need UEFA or votes, there are simple cross border rules that need to be complied with, that's all. The route is definitely open and clear. We could have taken our history with us. I think Rangers had this opportunity but blew it. When they were relegated to last in our structure they could probably have manipulated themselves into the conference as a completely new entity as they actually are! They are so pompous however that the EPL would have only been "acceptable" and that, is simply not possible, even if (say) Bayern Munich wanted to play in the EPL! Wouldn't it be wonderful if a team beat the OF to it and maybe closed the door on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 It's been looked into by taking over a bankrupt club and relocating. The "Head Office" of the club needs to be in England meaning a facade in Berwick. The new club would hold the status of of wherever the bankrupt club were in the pyramid. This really was an option post Romanov, pre Budge. Don't think it is any more. It didn't need UEFA or votes, there are simple cross border rules that need to be complied with, that's all. The route is definitely open and clear. We could have taken our history with us. I think Rangers had this opportunity but blew it. When they were relegated to last in our structure they could probably have manipulated themselves into the conference as a completely new entity as they actually are! They are so pompous however that the EPL would have only been "acceptable" and that, is simply not possible, even if (say) Bayern Munich wanted to play in the EPL! Wouldn't it be wonderful if a team beat the OF to it and maybe closed the door on them? They weren't relegated, but that aside no, I don't personally think it would be wonderful for a Scottish team to move to England at all. I don't believe it would be anywhere near as simple as you say either or there would surely be a precedence set by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Brilliant game there, really enjoyed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 No, because everybody knows us we're called Millwall So you're stealing a seat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I'm struggling to see how a midweek trip to Accrington would "revitalise the support" of any club Maybe the hibs support.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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