kearney19 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Not really started many threads for a while as Ive been busy but now as I have the time: Was out after the Queens defeat to Rangers and was walking out of one of the Dumfries pubs and I turn around, theres Jamie McDonald and Ryan McCann all suited and booted up. So i stopped to have a chat with Jamie, said to me hes going on the Germany tour and hes determained to get the number 1 jersey, also going to Ireland aswell he told me. But I had to laugh at McCanns comment. Asked him "Ryan, who got Barry Fergusons top?" "No one, my top is more important and he plays for ****my Rangers!" Had to laugh at that, but really sound guys! Showed in the final that McDonald has a very bright future nd hopefully number 1 at Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Dont think he showed anything in the final to suggest that he is the answer between the sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigTeam Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 He was mince in the final.What u on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 No harm in giving the kid some game time and seeing how he does otherwise what is the point in developing him for several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 He was mince in the final.What u on? He met him, was a bit star struck so is now talking him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigTeam Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 He met him, was a bit star struck so is now talking him up. Sounds that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The cruckie cookie Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Posted a thread just after the Final saying that Jamie is not the answer at the moment. The guy is just not Spl material and if he becomes our No1 next season we will be in deep doo doo. We might make 8th again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.N.T.H. Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Oh god. Another HN1F special thread. Keep up the good work ma'man. Ryan MhcCann** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Mayhem Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I was dying for the guy to do well in the final but we have to face facts, at around 6 feet you have to be exceptional to make it as an SPL keeper let alone Hearts No1. Unfortunately on the final showing, he's far from exceptional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Jamie is in a similar category to Roddy Mckenzie - nearly but not quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjh1874 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Don't think he is ready. Don't know if he ever will be TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Did he ask for your autograph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 No harm in giving the kid some game time and seeing how he does otherwise what is the point in developing him for several years. To see whether he made it or not. The coaches should know whether he has a chance to make it or not (if only we had coaches worthy of the name). If he hasn't got a chance to make it at SPL level, he shouldn't play, no matter how many years we spent developing him. Sometimes player just don't come up to scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 To see whether he made it or not. The coaches should know whether he has a chance to make it or not (if only we had coaches worthy of the name). If he hasn't got a chance to make it at SPL level, he shouldn't play, no matter how many years we spent developing him. Sometimes player just don't come up to scratch. What if a player is borderline though JR and a coach is undecided or not certain whether a player will or won't make it...sometimes the only way to find out is to try out a young player in the team some do better than expected others do worse.......maybe they think he does have the capability and that is why he's being involved pre-season (allegedly)...the coaching staff & goalkeeping coaches will have had a lot more time & experience of what JMacD is capable of than those of us who've only seen him in a couple of QoS games or the odd reserve or youth appearance. Arthur Albiston was talking the other day how he was on the verge of being released early in his career, he was a left winger but due to an injury got a rare chance at left back where he'd never played anywhere in defence....he went on to become a Manchester United player & Scotland internationalist in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 What if a player is borderline though JR and a coach is undecided or not certain whether a player will or won't make it...sometimes the only way to find out is to try out a young player in the team some do better than expected others do worse Agree, but only in borderline cases. In most cases our coaches () should have a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Agree, but only in borderline cases. In most cases our coaches () should have a good idea. Well since MacDonald joined the club the goalkeeping coaches Peter Latchford, Malcolm Webster, Jim Stewart & Steve Banks must have deemed him good enough to be kept on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrible Trio Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Not really started many threads for a while as Ive been busy but now as I have the time: Was out after the Queens defeat to Rangers and was walking out of one of the Dumfries pubs and I turn around, theres Jamie McDonald and Ryan McCann all suited and booted up. So i stopped to have a chat with Jamie, said to me hes going on the Germany tour and hes determained to get the number 1 jersey, also going to Ireland aswell he told me. But I had to laugh at McCanns comment. Asked him "Ryan, who got Barry Fergusons top?" "No one, my top is more important and he plays for ****my Rangers!" Had to laugh at that, but really sound guys! Showed in the final that McDonald has a very bright future nd hopefully number 1 at Hearts. I smell shhhyyyyyte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.N.T.H. Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 For the record, i don't feel MacDonald will ever be number one at Hearts. He's not very tall and he certainly doesn't excite me as a prospect, having seen him balls up against Hubs a year back and then let it through himself in the Cup Final he doesn't strike me as a confident lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 For the record, i don't feel MacDonald will ever be number one at Hearts. He's not very tall and he certainly doesn't excite me as a prospect, having seen him balls up against Hubs a year back and then let it through himself in the Cup Final he doesn't strike me as a confident lad. I've got mixed opinions about the lad I'd like to see more direct evidence for myself though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Well since MacDonald joined the club the goalkeeping coaches Peter Latchford, Malcolm Webster, Jim Stewart & Steve Banks must have deemed him good enough to be kept on. I'd like to think that is the case, but we don't really know anymore with Vlad and his puppets dishing out contracts like they are going out of fashion. He was in goals for Scotland U-21's so it seems he has something, I guess time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dode Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Dont think he showed anything in the final to suggest that he is the answer between the sticks. I was at Falkirk the day Craig shipped 4 now while I think he was hung out to dry for a couple of the goals no one would have convinced me he was to become a 9 Mil player. I am NOT for a moment suggesting the Macdonald is/will be as good as Gordon but lets not crucifiy him on a cup final performance( Rousett 96'). He might be tom tit but lets judge over a few 1st team games for the JT's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I was at Falkirk the day Craig shipped 4 now while I think he was hung out to dry for a couple of the goals no one would have convinced me he was to become a 9 Mil player.I am NOT for a moment suggesting the Macdonald is/will be as good as Gordon but lets not crucifiy him on a cup final performance( Rousett 96'). He might be tom tit but lets judge over a few 1st team games for the JT's Im not crucifing (sp) anyone. On the little I have seen of him (4 games I think), he has not shown me anything to suggest he can be our no1 or no2. Thats what Kickback is for, giving an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I was at Falkirk the day Craig shipped 4 now while I think he was hung out to dry for a couple of the goals no one would have convinced me he was to become a 9 Mil player.I am NOT for a moment suggesting the Macdonald is/will be as good as Gordon but lets not crucifiy him on a cup final performance( Rousett 96'). He might be tom tit but lets judge over a few 1st team games for the JT's Good post, the Gordon debut always comes to mind when I read about this discussion. Niemi shipped 3 against the Hobos at Tynie on his debut as well did he not?! Worth a shot IMO and I think Banksys experience will benefit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 As I see it we've very little to lose by giving MacDonald some chances and potentially something to gain if he proves to be capable enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 As I see it we've very little to lose by giving MacDonald some chances and potentially something to gain if he proves to be capable enough. Except the fact if we give Macdonald the chance and he fails we are then in the position til at least January that we have 2 keepers not good enough and 1 who is well on his way to retirement As far as i am concerned Macdonald will not make it, the club need to find a new GK in the summer capable of being a top SPL 1st choice for the forseeable future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 As I see it we've very little to lose by giving MacDonald some chances and potentially something to gain if he proves to be capable enough. I think we have quite a lot to loose playing someone who's future at Hearts is very much in doubt. A goalkeeper is a specialized position like no other. Mistakes are punished like no other position in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Except the fact if we give Macdonald the chance and he fails we are then in the position til at least January that we have 2 keepers not good enough and 1 who is well on his way to retirement As far as i am concerned Macdonald will not make it, the club need to find a new GK in the summer capable of being a top SPL 1st choice for the forseeable future I see you have added the title of sporting director for goalkeeping policies to your extensive area of expertise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I think we have quite a lot to loose playing someone who's future at Hearts is very much in doubt. A goalkeeper is a specialized position like no other. Mistakes are punished like no other position in football. Well at worst we'd lose a goal or two, maybe a game or two - no worse than relying on other substandard players like Neilson who can cost you goals or points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I see you have added the title of sporting director for goalkeeping policies to your extensive area of expertise... I take that means you don't have a response and for the record Macdonald is very weak with shots around his legs, I have seen a few goals he has conceded that he shouldnt were the ball has been hit straight at him or in very close proximity to his legs and he dives down feet out and takes too long and by the time he gets down he has let it slip under him Not an SPL keeper, simple as imo and if we do go with him he will cost us points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I take that means you don't have a response and for the record Macdonald is very weak with shots around his legs, I have seen a few goals he has conceded that he shouldnt were the ball has been hit straight at him or in very close proximity to his legs and he dives down feet out and takes too long and by the time he gets down he has let it slip under him Not an SPL keeper, simple as imo and if we do go with him he will cost us points Well maybe your right or maybe your wrong - I haven't seen enough of MacDonald to make a definite judgement and seeing him in action in real match situations would be the best way to decide whether he has the potential to be good enough or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neave Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Did he ask for your autograph? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albishop Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Arthur Albiston was talking the other day how he was on the verge of being released early in his career, he was a left winger but due to an injury got a rare chance at left back where he'd never played anywhere in defence....he went on to become a Manchester United player & Scotland internationalist in that position. I don't think Jamie will ever make it as a left back Joking aside, lets give the lad a chance in the first team before we judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I also heard that Irvine Jambo was serving the drinks in that pub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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