Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Which of the following former Hearts goalkeepers was the best in your opinion? Jim Cruikshank, Henry Smith, Gilles Rousset, Antti Niemi, Craig Gordon....... Has anybody ever ranked Hearts goalkeepers statistically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micole Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 No offence mate wev'e had this before, but for the record Cruickie for mefollowed closely by Niemi & Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Which of the following former Hearts goalkeepers was the best in your opinion? Jim Cruikshank, Henry Smith, Gilles Rousset, Antti Niemi, Craig Gordon....... Has anybody ever ranked Hearts goalkeepers statistically? Niemi for me Anyone that says Smith is a:hobofish: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Niemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 Henry was a great goalkeeper for a long number of years but perhaps we relied on him for too long past his best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlad on the tyne Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Which of the following former Hearts goalkeepers was the best in your opinion? Jim Cruikshank, Henry Smith, Gilles Rousset, Antti Niemi, Craig Gordon....... Has anybody ever ranked Hearts goalkeepers statistically? No Nicky Walker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 No Nicky Walker? His first touch of the ball in a competitive game for Hearts was picking the ball out of the back of the net, he came on as a half time sub for Henry who'd got an injury and within 30 seconds of the restart the opposition (Rangers?) scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts of Vladland Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Zibi :107years: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 The best in my time supporting Hearts Niemi/Gordon but Henry was a Legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Craig Gordon for me, followed by Cruckie and Niemi. Rousset, never rated him as a goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Henry! nae doubt.. That save from TOmmy COyne alone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Probably depends on which generation you are. My Dad would say Cruikshank hands down. For me Gordon will become the best and will be known throughout European football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Craig Nelson surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jackdaddy2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Craig Gordon - technique Henry Smith - fondness Cruikshank - just because Niemi - one off saves For me, its Gordon over the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Gordon is perhaps the most naturaly gifted keeper I have seen but in my life time I reakon Niemi - world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Niemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Niemi for me Anyone that says Smith is a:hobofish: Niemi is easily the best GK I have seen in my lifetime as a Hearts fan. Smith was also a very decent GK who unfortunatly made some very high profile mistakes in Glasgow. Smith probably prodused one of the best saves I have ever seen (Tommy Coyne header) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 definitely Niemi, tho all on the list were very capable keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordy Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Being an 'old timer', Cruickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debtor Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Jim Cruickshank is clearly the best goalkeeper Hearts have had since the war. Not only capable of stopping the opposition he also encouraged the side from his goal line. Commanding goalie who kept us going during the horror years of the 60's when the 'youth policy' arrived. His triple save at the penalty will stay long in the mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S.U.S.S. Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Niemi for me Anyone that says Smith is a:hobofish: Hardly, people fondly remember the players they grew up watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micole Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Sorry to post again on this, but i have been fortunate to have seen all the goalies mentioned and as i have said Cruickie was the best for me my boyhood hero along with Willie Wallace however Niemi is the closest that has come to matching Cruickie, Craig Gordon has still a bit to go IMHO but i have no doubt he will become one of the best that Scotland has produced. Feel strongly about this subject and hope beyond hope that Cruikie will return to his home (tynie) that will be an emotional day for many Jambos (If it ever happens) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Jambo 60 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Probably depends on which generation you are. My Dad would say Cruikshank hands down. For me Gordon will become the best and will be known throughout European football. James Cruikshank for me. My first games seasons 71 onwards james and donald ford led the line, At least the boy played for the team and not MONEY:107years::107years: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Niemi is easily the best GK I have seen in my lifetime as a Hearts fan. Smith was also a very decent GK who unfortunatly made some very high profile mistakes in Glasgow. Smith probably prodused one of the best saves I have ever seen (Tommy Coyne header) The best piece of individual brilliance I have ever witnessed in the flesh. Will never ever forget Big Henry's save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I never seen Cruikshank, obviously Andy IS as old as he looks! Niemi performed the best in a Hearts jersey. Gordon will go on to be better than him but for another club. Smith was an excellent 'keeper on his day but equally awful from time to time. Rousset was very similar to Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I never seen Cruikshank, obviously Andy IS as old as he looks!Niemi performed the best in a Hearts jersey. Gordon will go on to be better than him but for another club. Smith was an excellent 'keeper on his day but equally awful from time to time. Rousset was very similar to Smith. Only going from what I've been told. PAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Niemi for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORTHCLYDE Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 This question was done months ago, the best Hearts keeper I have seen was Jim Cruickshank the only ones who came close were Gordon and Niemi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Only going from what I've been told. PAH Auld man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Craig Gordon for me, followed by Cruckie and Niemi. Rousset, never rated him as a goalkeeper. yup. Gordon is by far the best, some of his saves including his one against Rangers from Buffel were world-class imo. Niemi was good too, but i don't think even he could make some of the saves that Gordon made in his time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 'Old timers' who have seen them all since the W War II would rate Jimmy Brown as the best. I used to think Jim C, he was my first 'hero', I'd probably rate AN and CG as better keepers now. I've got a query showing who conceded the fewest per game. I'll dig it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towzer Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Best at what?????? Drinking=John Brough Goalkeeping=Antti Niemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Best at what??????Drinking=John Brough Goalkeeping=Antti Niemi Did you see John Broughs picture at a recent dinner. He has enjoyed a few pies and pints over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Cruickie was a great keeper as were Niemi and Gordon. It would have to be one of them. My least favourite was Ray Dunlop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neave Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 In my lifetime, the best all-round goalkeeper I've seen has been Antti Niemi; he was my hero when I was younger. He truly is the only world class player I've seen at Tynecastle. Some of the saves he pulled off were unbelievable and I would love to know the amount of points he won us over the course of his time with us. Unfortunately I never met him - as a 12 year old that would've made my year. By all accounts he was a gentleman and he clearly loved the Hearts. Would like to think he'd come back in some capacity when he hangs up his boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Niemi for me - he was just different class altogethre. In time, I'd expect Craig Gordon to become better so at his peak he will probably be better than Niemi at his peak. The difference is Niemi was a Hearts goalkeeper at th epeak of his playing days. Sentiment wants me to pick Cruickie, but if I was picking the team and had the choice it's easy, Niemi is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doogle98 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Smith . 300 shut outs , just about one every 3 games . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 League games only minimum of 10 Player, games,Against, goals lost per game Gordon Craig 138 132 0.957 Moilanen Teuvo 23 23 1.000 Walker Nicky 50 55 1.100 Smith Henry 475 526 1.107 Rousset Gilles 133 167 1.256 Banks Steve 29 37 1.276 Niemi Antti 89 117 1.315 Brough John 78 104 1.333 Marshall Gordon 193 265 1.373 Dunlop Ray 52 73 1.404 Cruickshank Jim 394 555 1.409 Brown Wilson 27 39 1.444 Duff Willie 62 92 1.484 McKenzie Roddy 47 70 1.489 Nelson Craig 24 36 1.500 Brown Jimmy 167 250 1.497 Garland Kenny 88 136 1.545 Watters Jimmy 75 124 1.653 Allan Thomson 24 46 1.917 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I never seen Cruikshank, obviously Andy IS as old as he looks! Niemi performed the best in a Hearts jersey. Gordon will go on to be better than him but for another club. Smith was an excellent 'keeper on his day but equally awful from time to time. Rousset was very similar to Smith. Especially that Semi-Final against Celtic. Cruickie for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I've added in clean sheets per games as well player (No column name) (No column name) (No column name) (No column name) (No column name) Moilanen Teuvo 23 23 1.000 9 0.391 Banks Steve 29 37 1.276 11 0.379 Smith Henry 475 526 1.107 171 0.360 Gordon Craig 138 132 0.957 47 0.341 Dunlop Ray 52 73 1.404 17 0.327 Brough John 78 104 1.333 25 0.321 Walker Nicky 50 55 1.100 16 0.320 Rousset Gilles 133 167 1.256 41 0.308 Niemi Antti 89 117 1.315 27 0.303 McKenzie Roddy 47 70 1.489 13 0.277 Garland Kenny 88 136 1.545 24 0.273 Marshall Gordon 193 265 1.373 51 0.264 Cruickshank Jim 394 555 1.409 102 0.259 Brown Wilson 27 39 1.444 7 0.259 Duff Willie 62 92 1.484 15 0.242 Brown Jimmy 167 250 1.497 38 0.228 Nelson Craig 24 36 1.500 5 0.208 Watters Jimmy 75 124 1.653 11 0.147 Allan Thomson 24 46 1.917 2 0.083 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambotommy Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Smith for me. Davie Cooper must have had some sleepless nights due to 'enry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 All competitive games Goals conceded per game 1 Moilanen Teuvo 26 24 0.923 9 0.346 2 Gordon Craig 175 176 1.006 47 0.269 3 Walker Nicky 56 61 1.089 16 0.286 4 Smith Henry 597 660 1.106 171 0.286 5 Banks Steve 35 42 1.200 11 0.314 6 Rousset Gilles 164 201 1.226 41 0.250 7 Niemi Antti 106 138 1.302 27 0.255 8 Duff Willie 85 111 1.306 15 0.176 9 Dunlop Ray 66 88 1.333 17 0.258 10 Marshall Gordon 267 372 1.393 51 0.191 11 McKenzie Roddy 52 73 1.404 13 0.250 12 Garland Kenny 132 187 1.417 24 0.182 13 Cruickshank Jim 528 749 1.419 102 0.193 14 Nelson Craig 29 42 1.448 5 0.172 15 Brough John 93 137 1.473 25 0.269 16 Brown Jimmy 227 354 1.559 38 0.167 17 Watters Jimmy 95 149 1.568 11 0.116 18 Brown Wilson 38 60 1.579 7 0.184 19 Wilson Brian 17 29 1.706 1 0.059 20 Allan Thomson 26 49 1.885 2 0.077 Clean Sheets 1 Moilanen Teuvo 26 24 0.923 9 0.346 2 Banks Steve 35 42 1.200 11 0.314 3 Walker Nicky 56 61 1.089 16 0.286 3 Smith Henry 597 660 1.106 171 0.286 5 Gordon Craig 175 176 1.006 47 0.269 5 Brough John 93 137 1.473 25 0.269 7 Dunlop Ray 66 88 1.333 17 0.258 8 Niemi Antti 106 138 1.302 27 0.255 9 McKenzie Roddy 52 73 1.404 13 0.250 9 Rousset Gilles 164 201 1.226 41 0.250 11 Cruickshank Jim 528 749 1.419 102 0.193 12 Marshall Gordon 267 372 1.393 51 0.191 13 Brown Wilson 38 60 1.579 7 0.184 14 Garland Kenny 132 187 1.417 24 0.182 15 Duff Willie 85 111 1.306 15 0.176 16 Nelson Craig 29 42 1.448 5 0.172 17 Brown Jimmy 227 354 1.559 38 0.167 18 Watters Jimmy 95 149 1.568 11 0.116 19 Allan Thomson 26 49 1.885 2 0.077 20 Wilson Brian 17 29 1.706 1 0.059 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 There's a lot of information in those lists but it isn't easy to discern who was the best or rank our goalkeepers in terms of goals conceded, clean sheets, number of games etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 There's a lot of information in those lists but it isn't easy to discern who was the best or rank our goalkeepers in terms of goals conceded, clean sheets, number of games etc. It's easy. THEY ARE SORTED AND RANKED by goals per game and clean sheets per game. The RANK is the first column Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJambo Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 You need to get this into context. Cruckie was the best "Hearts man " between the posts, a great player who, as has been mentioned, alongwith Donald Ford kept us going in the real bad years.I personaly think that Cruckie kept us up for at least 2 seasons. Technically though Niema was, and is, the most gifted. You hve to take your hat of to his loyalty in the way he left us as well. Goron? Not yet the finished article for me though no doubt he will be the greated Scottsh keeper one day. As an aside, as has been mentioned this team should move heaven anearth to get Cruckie back to Tynie. Walter as with Guilles, reat entertainment!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debtor Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Great list and very well done. Mind you there is one flaw, it does not take into account the defence in front of the goalie and the standard of the opposition they faced. Craig Gordon done well when Pressley controlled the defence in front of him and with a Sunderland defence made of paper and a top opposition he does not look so good. If you get my drift. That does not take away from the list. The point is Cruickshank controlled his defence and I have seen him change the game by saving a penalty or just his reliability at the back. His personality dominated at times of stress in a way others failed to do. Still, good to contemplate the standard of goalkeeper, which I think is very high, especially in comparison to the wee team. Only Goram, Younger and Leighton come close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 It's easy. THEY ARE SORTED AND RANKED by goals per game and clean sheets per game. The RANK is the first column Ah! okay thanks.....what do all the columns represent though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Player, games,Against, goals lost per game,clean sheets, clean sheets per game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 Tepi was our best keeper shockerooni! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Great list and very well done. Mind you there is one flaw, it does not take into account the defence in front of the goalie and the standard of the opposition they faced. ... Also the game has become in general more defensive. The teams of the 40s and 50s were more concerned with scoring goals rather than stopping them. Hence the higher ratios of Willie Duff and Gordon Marshall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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