scott herbertson Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Beith's loan spell at Stirling playing against older pro's week after week as opposed to staying with Hearts u20's has clearly benefited his chances of progressing. Liam Smith being the same with East Fife, really hope we continue this proven strategy. you could add Walker at Raith to that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Zanatta to go out on loan next maybe? Or get games in the run in and loaned out til xmas next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Beith's loan spell at Stirling playing against older pro's week after week as opposed to staying with Hearts u20's has clearly benefited his chances of progressing. Liam Smith being the same with East Fife, really hope we continue this proven strategy. I think these examples (and a few others) prove that the U20 league is not the way to bring on young players. The sooner they go back to a proper reserve league the better, although maybe with a minimum number of U20 players rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musemic Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 you could add Walker at Raith to that list ...and our Head Coach (at Cowden and QoS). In fact, I'm sure I've read that we used to 'farm' young players out to junior sides as long ago as the 1950's? We've been doing this for years, it isn't some new master plan and is definitely the way to go. The development league is all well and good but playing week in week out against seasoned pros in the lower league accelerates the progress of most young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 ...and our Head Coach (at Cowden and QoS). In fact, I'm sure I've read that we used to 'farm' young players out to junior sides as long ago as the 1950's? We've been doing this for years, it isn't some new master plan and is definitely the way to go. The development league is all well and good but playing week in week out against seasoned pros in the lower league accelerates the progress of most young players. bauld played for newtongrange on loan, ford was at bo-ness, though I'm not so sure he was signed for us at that time as the juniors wasn't as far away from the top as it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 I think these examples (and a few others) prove that the U20 league is not the way to bring on young players. The sooner they go back to a proper reserve league the better, although maybe with a minimum number of U20 players rule need every club to sign more players including us how is a reserve league more competitive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 need every club to sign more players including us how is a reserve league more competitive? For decades there has been a roundabout between getting youngsters to play each other in Under/20/21 leagues to develop or in Reserve Leagues as a stepping stone that allows them to play against Men just below First Team Level. We have gone through the Under 20 phase and are now the case is being made to go back to Reserve Football. We will get alternative groups of countries thrown up to show which method works best. Make your own mind up because I cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 For decades there has been a roundabout between getting youngsters to play each other in Under/20/21 leagues to develop or in Reserve Leagues as a stepping stone that allows them to play against Men just below First Team Level. We have gone through the Under 20 phase and are now the case is being made to go back to Reserve Football. We will get alternative groups of countries thrown up to show which method works best. Make your own mind up because I cant. The only thing that is certain is that the current (U20) system isn't working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Its tough I can see an argument for a reserve league but doesn't seem likely. Some clubs seem to favour a B team in competitive leagues like in Spain etc. but its hard to get agreement from all 42 SPFL teams for anything different. I still believe the main issue towards success is how much the players want it and are prepared to work hard in training etc. But they need to play and probably many good players in Scotland are being lost at this stage. We are lucky our players got a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab WL Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 bauld played for newtongrange on loan, ford was at bo-ness, though I'm not so sure he was signed for us at that time as the juniors wasn't as far away from the top as it is now.Donald was signed from Bo'ness United in 1964 ( bonus for Bo'ness as he was a Linlithgow boy ) Linlithgow then signed Bo'ness lad Colin Grant who went to Hibs. Hibs then farmed out John Blackley to Bo'ness and both he and Donald went to World Cup finals in 1974. More common these days for ex seniors to join juniors late in career ( Bo'ness had Kevin Thomas some years back eg ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 A Wee bit of trivia as it's surprising how many Hearts fans get it wrong. From which club did we sign Willie Bauld ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 A Wee bit of trivia as it's surprising how many Hearts fans get it wrong. From which club did we sign Willie Bauld ? I think the trick is Newtongrange star. In actual fact I believe it was Musselburgh. Some English team failed to get him just before us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I think the development loan concept is an interesting one. Is there a limit to the number of these you can have outgoing at once? If not I do not see why Hearts don't make wider use of it, playing against seasoned pros week in week out and yet being able to train full time at Riccarton. Surely that would help progress the vast majority of our young players who are not in immediate first team plans. And even those on the fringes could have recall clauses in case of an injury crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I think the trick is Newtongrange star. In actual fact I believe it was Musselburgh. Some English team failed to get him just before us. It was actually Edinburgh City.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corryjambo Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 It was actually Edinburgh City.... He was bought from Musselburgh Union and then loaned out to Newtongrange Star and Edinburgh City and Hearts brought him back from his loan to play for them. Source: London Hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 And it was Sunderland who almost had a deal done but between the first falling through and their second attempt we snapped him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 He was bought from Musselburgh Union and then loaned out to Newtongrange Star and Edinburgh City and Hearts brought him back from his loan to play for them. His transfer of a professional ( signing paper) shows his transfer from Edinburgh City to Hearts. Source: London Hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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