Norm Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 What!? I seem to recall he was touted for a Scotland place before he got crocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic Username Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 What!? I seem to recall he was touted for a Scotland place before he got crocked. Not laughing at you Norm my man. Just some of the solid gold over the last 12 hours. You're bang on with your Frail chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank skinner Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 McGowan is a bog standard fullback. Frail was top drawer and going down south for big bucks-before his knee melted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Out of guys that (I assume) played over 20 games at right back in the last 10 years or so, I'd say that Jason Thomson, Craig Thomson, Karipidis (good player but never a right back) and the aforementioned ubercunt Hamill were worse. To be fair, though, in the last ten years probably only Neilson, Maybury and Paterson have played as many games at right back as Gowser did. That's a fair assessment. I wasn't looking to make my question in to a point, I just thought it was interesting given an earlier question. To the person earlier who doubted neilson was better than McGowan - despite pissing money up against a wall in vlad's early years we never signed a replacement for robbie. A limited player but effective in the best hearts team any of us are likely to see. Dave - Malcolm was a bit before my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I still say Stevie Frail before he got injured was one of the best right backs I've seen. Frail strolls on to that list norm. You're absolutely correct that he was a class above hearts until shit hit the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 To the person earlier who doubted neilson was better than McGowan - despite pissing money up against a wall in vlad's early years we never signed a replacement for robbie. A limited player but effective in the best hearts team any of us are likely to see. Dave - Malcolm was a bit before my time. You've pretty much just described Gowser to be fair. I'd rate them much the similar. Not world beaters and never likely to be the best but if their wages don't break the bank, handy to have round the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Man City was Frail's destination If I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 You've pretty much just described Gowser to be fair. I'd rate them much the similar. Not world beaters and never likely to be the best but if their wages don't break the bank, handy to have round the team. Limited but effective in a poor team doesn't compare with limited but effective in a team with Jankauskas and Fyssas. But I take your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I still say Stevie Frail before he got injured was one of the best right backs I've seen. The best crosser of a ball ive seen at tynecastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Limited but effective in a poor team doesn't compare with limited but effective in a team with Jankauskas and Fyssas. But I take your point. You're probably right thinking about it. When you've got players like that round you, your limitations will stand out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:shitwine: Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Frail was an excellent full back for us. His goal against Aberdeen was something else. A real sickener when he got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnB Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Short memories abound. Like someone said earlier I'd have Ryan at RB anyday before Callum. IMO exactly the sort of player we need (and can possibly afford) in our attempt to re-establish ourselves in the top league. It's not going to be the stroll in the park some are dreaming it might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketchup Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Very difficult to compare across eras. There is no way half the players mentioned would have played as half as many games for us, if Scottish Football was the way it is now (in terms of comparing it to England and Europe, both financially and standard of football). Gowser would be an excellent player within this current Hearts team and has, undoubtedly, been our best RB since Robbie Neilson left, by quite a distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Gowser has proved himself at the top level in Scotland. Won't be coming to us though due to the fee involved. Look to Greece instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Gowser has proved himself at the top level in Scotland. Won't be coming to us though due to the fee involved. Look to Greece instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Quite a lot of folk on this thread agree though.. That's not the point it as a light hearted memory of Gowser start your own thread if you want to rip him instead of immediately looking to attract attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 . That's not the point it as a light hearted memory of Gowser start your own thread if you want to rip him instead of immediately looking to attract attention Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 . That's not the point it as a light hearted memory of Gowser start your own thread if you want to rip him instead of immediately looking to attract attention So on a football forum giving an opinion on an ex player is attracting attention? Right then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanjambo Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Walter Kidd. If that's permitted, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Can you name ten players who've left hearts in the last ten years and their careers have improved? Craig Gordon - EPL + Celtic Christophe Berra - EPL Ryan McGowan - Chinese Super League, Cup winner, World Cup Saulius Mikoli?nas - Ukranian Premier League Mauricio Pinilla - Serie A + World Cup Paul Hartley - Celtic, trophy winner, contributor to CL campaigns Roman Bednar - EPL Linas Pilibaitis - only played 8 games, so his career was clealry going to get better Bruno Aguiar - 5 major titles in Cyprus Jose Goncalves - MLS "Defender of the Year" + Best 11 Ra?s M'Bolhi - Algerian World Cup goalkeeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSTR Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Craig Gordon - EPL + Celtic Christophe Berra - EPL Ryan McGowan - Chinese Super League, Cup winner, World Cup Saulius Mikoli?nas - Ukranian Premier League Mauricio Pinilla - Serie A + World Cup Paul Hartley - Celtic, trophy winner, contributor to CL campaigns Roman Bednar - EPL Linas Pilibaitis - only played 8 games, so his career was clealry going to get better Bruno Aguiar - 5 major titles in Cyprus Jose Goncalves - MLS "Defender of the Year" + Best 11 Ra?s M'Bolhi - Algerian World Cup goalkeeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Craig Gordon - EPL + Celtic Christophe Berra - EPL Ryan McGowan - Chinese Super League, Cup winner, World Cup Saulius Mikoli?nas - Ukranian Premier League Mauricio Pinilla - Serie A + World Cup Paul Hartley - Celtic, trophy winner, contributor to CL campaigns Roman Bednar - EPL Linas Pilibaitis - only played 8 games, so his career was clealry going to get better Bruno Aguiar - 5 major titles in Cyprus Jose Goncalves - MLS "Defender of the Year" + Best 11 Ra?s M'Bolhi - Algerian World Cup goalkeeper Martin Petras went on to do pretty well also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 So on a football forum giving an opinion on an ex player is attracting attention? Right then No on a Saturday thread remembering Gowser for his goal you seek attention by being negative, if you want to discuss his ability as I said start you own thread, anyway you weren't giving an honest opinion you just St went completely negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:shitwine: Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 . That's not the point it as a light hearted memory of Gowser start your own thread if you want to rip him instead of immediately looking to attract attention This forum would be crammed with threads then: - I like PLAYER - I don't like PLAYER - I thought PLAYER was/is pretty good - I'm indifferent to PLAYER - I love the goal PLAYER scored - I'd like to see PLAYER back at Hearts - I think we can do better than resigning PLAYER and so on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Craig Gordon - EPL + Celtic Christophe Berra - EPL Ryan McGowan - Chinese Super League, Cup winner, World Cup Saulius Mikoli?nas - Ukranian Premier League Mauricio Pinilla - Serie A + World Cup Paul Hartley - Celtic, trophy winner, contributor to CL campaigns Roman Bednar - EPL Linas Pilibaitis - only played 8 games, so his career was clealry going to get better Bruno Aguiar - 5 major titles in Cyprus Jose Goncalves - MLS "Defender of the Year" + Best 11 Ra?s M'Bolhi - Algerian World Cup goalkeeper McGowan, he's at dundee united after playing in China. China may be something to you but it's a ****ing backwater for everyone else. Pilibitas, by your own admission, had **** all to do with us. Aguiar - cyprus. ****ing cyprus. rais m'bohli had less than **** all to do with us. miko - ukrainian premier league is **** all bednar was at a club in the epl, and barely played. they were a shit epl club at that, and he only really played when they were relagated. He's debatable at best, and that's not even mentioning his drug sting. So, we're at about 4 players in a decade. I think my point still stands. You might have a point if he had a point, but he didnt have a point. Atleast he tried, you jumped on the bandwagon of something that's clearly wrong. His was a genuine attempt, whereas you had enough time to actually consider it and agree that playing in cyprus and china is a step up from the hearts team that they left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 You might've swapped Willie Wallace for Pilibaitis on that list As for Gowser, I like him a lot; good guy, good player and a cult hero with (most) of the fans. He was no Cafu, but a decent SPL-level defender who gave us a few good memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 The Iranian national team played against Di Maria, Macherano, Di Maria and Messi. Means **** all. The World Cup argument really is chronic. Average, limited player who's playing at his level. Very likeable personality. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Gowser is definitely a cult hero. Regarding his ability, I don't think he's good enough for the English premiership but could certainly do a job for one of the better championship sides. Ipswich are my "second team" and in the playoffs but nothing special to be honest. He's good enough for a similar level imo. Also the "played at the world cup" on its own is a bit of a pish argument although in fairness I think he played pretty well from what I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Saying he's got a level of affection beyond his ability is fair enough. Describing him as incredibly overrated is ridiculous, unless there's a queue of people suggesting he's Real Madrid level. Which there aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Saying he's got a level of affection beyond his ability is fair enough. Describing him as incredibly overrated is ridiculous, unless there's a queue of people suggesting he's Real Madrid level. Which there aren't. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Craig Gordon - EPL + Celtic Christophe Berra - EPL Ryan McGowan - Chinese Super League, Cup winner, World Cup Saulius Mikoli?nas - Ukranian Premier League Mauricio Pinilla - Serie A + World Cup Paul Hartley - Celtic, trophy winner, contributor to CL campaigns Roman Bednar - EPL Linas Pilibaitis - only played 8 games, so his career was clealry going to get better Bruno Aguiar - 5 major titles in Cyprus Jose Goncalves - MLS "Defender of the Year" + Best 11 Ra?s M'Bolhi - Algerian World Cup goalkeeper Only issue I'd take with that is MLS. If Scottish football is an example of what terrible marketing can do, MLS is the opposite. Terrible standard. Top half Premier teams like Aberdeen and Dundee Utd would rip it apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I like Ryan and have nothing but fond memories. I don't think he'll succeed at a higher level than the Scottish Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic Username Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I still can't remember the good performance Toto had for us. Did we even end up signing him? I remember some bollocks about not knowing who held his registration and in the end he wound up at Morton doing shit all. Or have I drank so much lager that I've forgotten that we did sign him and he was shit hot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 As for Gowser, I like him a lot; good guy, good player and a cult hero with (most) of the fans. He was no Cafu, but a decent SPL-level defender who gave us a few good memories. This is pretty much how I see it mate. Folk are entitled to their opinions but I personally prefer to respect a guy who gave us some great times and played 90minutes and scored a goal in the biggest win in our history. As for his ability, folk should remember that we are Hearts and not Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Fascione Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Talking of football backwaters. Some people look on Scotland as a footballing backwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2NaFish Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 This is pretty much how I see it mate. Folk are entitled to their opinions but I personally prefer to respect a guy who gave us some great times and played 90minutes and scored a goal in the biggest win in our history. As for his ability, folk should remember that we are Hearts and not Barcelona. Is "respect a guy" a euphemism for 'not give an honest description'? No one is being cruel - why do some people here have such a problem with folk not handing out blanket praise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Don't know if it was mentioned yesterday. Thought Ryan played well yesterday. Marshalled their defence and without him I think we might have made more openings. Not sure if he's being playing centre half for them or if new people have put him there. Did well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS86 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm with gigalo on this. A great guy, a competent player. Nothing much more than that. Much like Robbie, not a world beater but solid and consistent. I'd have him back if we got the chance (think I may have actually started a thread asking this a while ago) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned In Oz Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Don't know if it was mentioned yesterday. Thought Ryan played well yesterday. Marshalled their defence and without him I think we might have made more openings. Not sure if he's being playing centre half for them or if new people have put him there. Did well. He's a better centre half than he is a right back. It's his natural position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 He's a better centre half than he is a right back. It's his natural position. yes best I've seen him play yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast No Shadow Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 A very mediocre, clumsy player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Just don't get the fascination. Very average player imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 We just seem to swap cup winners back and forward with Dundee UTD. I make that: Pressley Webster Neilson Skacel Gomis Buaben Swanson McGowan All Scottish Cup winners who played for both clubs. As for McGowan, he is by SPFL Premiership standards a very good player. A Scottish Cup winner and goalscorer, a full international, a European competition player and a World Cup experienced player. He is relatively young with a wealth of top experience and a good pedigree. If we sold Paterson, I'd have Gowser back in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osman Sow Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Just don't get the fascination. Very average player imo him and rest of the dundee united defence delt with are attack reasonably well for the whole game bar a great bit of play from sam and a couple of other wee half chances. Also he is a jambo cult hero a bit like kevin kyle or craig beattie they also werent the best of players but they provided magical moments for us to savor so stop hating and start loving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think some people fail to realise the benefit of playing international and European competitive matches. McGowan looks a better player than when he left us, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I still say Stevie Frail before he got injured was one of the best right backs I've seen. He was, such a shame he got broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Decent player, cult hero for us. Knocking back rangers, his banter v hibs, and a cup winning goalscorer. Playing wise competent, and good at this level, technicaly llimited but effective with bags of energy and passion. Done well for himself, but probably found his level, a good sPl defender. No shame in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I thought he was their best player on Sunday. By a mile. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Thought he had a decent game, don't quite get the facilitation with slagging former players .. Gowser was excellent for us - more than good enough then and more than good enough now.. you'd think we were man city the way some go on rather than a middling SPL team.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Slapping wee Sam in the nuts was literally below the belt though!! He played well in a very poor united side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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