Ortarkod Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Over the course of a season, or when they've had a run of three or four games in just a few days. Is there any scientific proof that their energy levels/ability is actually diminished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Urban myth. Humans don't get fatigued. They could go play all day for several years without feeling tired, they are just being lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I wouldn't say tired but surely the physicality of playing competitive sport must catch up as the season progresses. How often do you see players have a great season for club then the World Cup or euros come round and the are clearly burnt out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I wouldn't say tired but surely the physicality of playing competitive sport must catch up as the season progresses. How often do you see players have a great season for club then the World Cup or euros come round and the are clearly burnt out? not just the physicality but the mental side of it, it is extremely difficult to keep up the performance levels to the required high standards for the professional game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I think it's often used as a convenient excuse for poor performance. If they're playing two or three games a week they don't train. Personally I don't think they know how lucky and pampered they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 They've got a privileged and easy life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 They've got a privileged and easy life. I sometimes work 45/50 hours a week in a physical job and then pay money for a game of football at night. I don't buy the two/ three games in a week bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Of course they do. They're physically exerting their bodies every day in training but not at the intensity that a competitive game will do. If they have 2 competitive games in a week then that will take its toll. Mentally the job can get difficult through many pressures on and off the pitch and it will almost certainly take its toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I always think of tennis players, they could play six or seven matches in a two week tournament, some lasting 4 hours or more, football players getting tired after two matches in a week and three hours game time, don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I certainly admire the worlds top tennis players a damn sight more. They really put their bodies through real punishment over a competitive season. PS Radio GaGa's post was not there when I was typing. could not agree more though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 No. They NEVER sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 John K.A Hill ?@Johnkahill88 26m For anyone asking YES footballers do get tired and here's some of the mechanisms to explain how. http://www.fmh.utl.pt/agon/cpfmh/docs/documentos/recursos/112/BangsboFatigue%20in%20Soccer.pdf ? #sportscience #HMFC I guess John Hill is reading JKB. Pity that the document link doesn't work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 John K.A Hill ?@Johnkahill88 26m For anyone asking YES footballers do get tired and here's some of the mechanisms to explain how. http://www.fmh.utl.p...in Soccer.pdf ? #sportscience #HMFC I guess John Hill is reading JKB. Pity that the document link doesn't work for me. A thread like this always makes me laugh, people seem to dismiss players as lazy by saying their tired, because the person dismissing them plays a game of fives once a week and is not tired during the rest of the work. The problem with that is they dont play a game at the limit of their fitness, where they are mentally needing to be focused for 90 straight minutes as even 10 seconds of not being focused could mean you let your team down. That is physically and mentally tiring. With the right sport scientist and coaching you can control that to get the most out of players through the season, I remember reading about Barcelona under Guardiola where they prepared two cycles in the season where they aim for players to reach a physical peak in fitness, so that was in November and April. As said earlier look at the world cup, how many Premier league players were stands out, very few and its something that happens every time international competitions happen at the end of premier league season, players are tired and unable to perform to the same level for the extra time. That comes from being pushed for every game and playing it at such a high punishing pace, the players are tired by the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 A thread like this always makes me laugh, people seem to dismiss players as lazy by saying their tired, because the person dismissing them plays a game of fives once a week and is not tired during the rest of the work. The problem with that is they dont play a game at the limit of their fitness, where they are mentally needing to be focused for 90 straight minutes as even 10 seconds of not being focused could mean you let your team down. That is physically and mentally tiring. With the right sport scientist and coaching you can control that to get the most out of players through the season, I remember reading about Barcelona under Guardiola where they prepared two cycles in the season where they aim for players to reach a physical peak in fitness, so that was in November and April. As said earlier look at the world cup, how many Premier league players were stands out, very few and its something that happens every time international competitions happen at the end of premier league season, players are tired and unable to perform to the same level for the extra time. That comes from being pushed for every game and playing it at such a high punishing pace, the players are tired by the end of the season. The "Aye but a dae 37 hours a week manual labour" patter is often rolled out by dinosaurs who fail to understand the intensity of playing at say EPL level twice a week requires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The "Aye but a dae 37 hours a week manual labour" patter is often rolled out by dinosaurs who fail to understand the intensity of playing at say EPL level twice a week requires. And you understand it because you've played at EPL level? Thought not. And why did you type in weegie prose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 And you understand it because you've played at EPL level? Thought not. And why did you type in weegie prose? No I obviously haven't played EPL level but I'm smart enough to realise it takes more out of you, both physically and mentally, than lifting heavy stuff in a factory every day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Is the sun actually hot. Any scientific proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 And you understand it because you've played at EPL level? Thought not. And why did you type in weegie prose? I may not, but I have read the views on experts, people whose career is about studying the human body and how it reacts to physical activity, they make it quite clear about the huge strain and effect modern football has on the body and how it can affect recovery after a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory House M.D. Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The "Aye but a dae 37 hours a week manual labour" patter is often rolled out by dinosaurs who fail to understand the intensity of playing at say EPL level twice a week requires. How about we get the sports scientists in to monitor the "dinosaurs" working 40 hour weeks of manual labour and compare the physical and mental fatigue of the two jobs accounting for the conditioning of both individuals studied. Would be very interesting. I'm going to go ahead and say for example a labourer would exert about the same energy in a week as a footballer would in two. There is no doubt footballers get tired but it's nowhere near as easy as is made out. It's a convenient excuse for pish performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 No I obviously haven't played EPL level but I'm smart enough to realise it takes more out of you, both physically and mentally, than lifting heavy stuff in a factory every day I've never done factory work but I can't see many players fancying an 8 hour shift 5 days a week lifting "heavy stuff". Someone else quoted tennis players as an example of sportsmen who seem to have it far tougher but just seem to get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Just waiting on the classic "Aye they should make them work 7 hour shifts 5 days a week like the rest of us" line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I may not, but I have read the views on experts, people whose career is about studying the human body and how it reacts to physical activity, they make it quite clear about the huge strain and effect modern football has on the body and how it can affect recovery after a match. Wasnt talking to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I've never done factory work but I can't see many players fancying an 8 hour shift 5 days a week lifting "heavy stuff". Someone else quoted tennis players as an example of sportsmen who seem to have it far tougher but just seem to get on with it. Aye but I'm sure if required a top football could quite easily manage the physical duties if working said job 40 hours a week. Could a construction worker or factory worker do 2 high level games a week? Nae chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Just waiting on the classic "Aye they should make them work 7 hour shifts 5 days a week like the rest of us" line Dont think anyone has or will say that. But you carry on rolling on the floor laughing. It's obviously hilarious to you. You'll maybe change your tune when you leave school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Would be very interesting. I'm going to go ahead and say for example a labourer would exert about the same energy in a week as a footballer would in two. There is no doubt footballers get tired but it's nowhere near as easy as is made out. It's a convenient excuse for pish performance. Ninja edit Not standing by your "more in a week than footballers in a month line then?" Ridiculous stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Wasnt talking to you. I know but point you were making was still a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Dont think anyone has or will say that. But you carry on rolling on the floor laughing. It's obviously hilarious to you. You'll maybe change your tune when you leave school. Leave school? I work on the oil rigs you plum so stop trying to act the goat. And I have seen people on here roll out such lines hence why I mentioned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Leave school? I work on the oil rigs you plum so stop trying to act the goat. And I have seen people on here roll out such lines hence why I mentioned it. sorry if I've offended you it's just I thought you were a nipper when you started typing in that weegie way likesay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I sometimes work 45/50 hours a week in a physical job and then pay money for a game of football at night. I don't buy the two/ three games in a week bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 sorry if I've offended you it's just I thought you were a nipper when you started typing in that weegie way likesay. I honestly don't know where your getting this "weegie" chat from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I honestly don't know where your getting this "weegie" chat from? Lets just agree to disagree. I just think footballers are a pampered bunch. At the start of the season the excuse for poor performances are that the team needs matches and at the end of the season it's the teams had too many. And nowadays with squad size there's not many ever presents in a team with squad rotation.It's really not worth arguing over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomuzz Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I honestly don't know where your getting this "weegie" chat from? Regardless, why is he assuming it's weegie chat anyway? Bizarre. Obviously has an agenda my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 No. They NEVER sleep. Every footballer is Chuck Norris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2006 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Lets just agree to disagree. I just think footballers are a pampered bunch. At the start of the season the excuse for poor performances are that the team needs matches and at the end of the season it's the teams had too many. And nowadays with squad size there's not many ever presents in a team with squad rotation. It's really not worth arguing over. Were no really disagreeing tho, prior to this I made a few points about folk comparing footballers work load to that of someone who works manual labour 40 hours a week. You retorted with jibes about me typing like a weegie and going to school Anyway in a way I do get that some players are pampered, that's a given, but your top level professionals, playing week in week out in the league, cup, champions league and international competition are definitely pushing their bodies to the extreme limits. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously lives in cloud Kookoo land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I'd also point to the distance ran stat that it's shown a lot in the champions league and world cup. The distances ran by some players is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Given the resouce available to the club at Riccarton there is no excuse not be aware of a drop in performance or fitness levels. 'Mental tiredness' is harder to measure and will hit most of the players at some point in the season...manager and coaching staff will be key to noticing this and giving them a break or time out but I would not think this is an issue at present. Todays players should be aware that their body and mind are the key to success in their chosen career and abusing either will limit their career span and earning potential........its tough when you are young with all of life's temptations available to you but the choices you make are the key to success or failure in many cases. Saying 'No' can be the hardest thing to do at a young age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladtheexhaler Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yes, yes they do. A recent study on EPL footballers showing that, funnily enough, competitive games take a wee while to recover from http://www.e-mjm.org/2012/v67n2/salivary-immunoglobulin-A.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getintaethem Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I play fives on a Tuesday, I don't get any feeling back below my knees until Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glastonbury jambo Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 if you eat well.. {nandos},...and sleep well... {5am nightclub crawl} ...and avoid drugs and drink {o'conner} .... you should recover well from games and feel good most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC-OK Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Definatly. Teams don't seem to perform as well if they have played in European games during the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I'll bet the ones suggesting footballers should be able to play two or more top-level matches in a week are more than a few kilos overweight and probably don't know the first thing about fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeno Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 With all the irn bru, haribo and monster munch these lads consume, they should be able to play a game a day hopped up on additives alone. pussys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I'll bet the ones suggesting footballers should be able to play two or more top-level matches in a week are more than a few kilos overweight and probably don't know the first thing about fitness. The majority of KB imo. I wonder if the humble ref is worth mentioning. I'm not sure about the really top level but they appear to work a day job and do two matches a week sometimes. I have no idea if they do a equivalent workout, I'll leave that to folk who know more than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I always think of tennis players, they could play six or seven matches in a two week tournament, some lasting 4 hours or more, football players getting tired after two matches in a week and three hours game time, don't get it. The Average Player will play 2 matches in a tournament. All ladies' tournaments and most mens' tournaments are played to three sets instead of five. For the very small number of players at the top of the game who can usually expect to make quarter finals the challenge isn't to operate at peak performance constantly but peak when it matters at Grand Slam tournaments. Grand Slam contenders will routinely treat minor tournaments with the attitude that Hearts treated the PetroFac training cup. Andy Murray even skipped a French Open because he thought it would interfere with his Wimbledon preparation. In Athletics people structure their training in an attempt to peak around the season's major competitions. Boxers work towards their fight dates. Endurance swimmers can stop training altogether a week before the event to let them fully recover from training. Even Chess Players sometimes meditate to clear their mind and give it a rest. The idea that people can't perform at peak level constantly shouldn't be too surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Always love the folk that say they play 5's on a Tuesday after a full day at work. It's not like Danny Wilson can say after an hour "sorry lads, i'm *****, i'll go in goals for a bit" Although I could imagine Jamie Walker trying it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Mental tiredness is interesting as I always feel players can be made to feel tired (or not). I always cringe when I hear managers saying their players look tired because I think it gives the players the excuse to say: 'yeah, I feel a bit tired so could do with missing the League Cup game next Tuesday' whereas the manager should be telling everyone how fit and strong they look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phage Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Go to the gym today and work out your arms and chest. Go back tomorrow or the day after and see exactly what happens when you try the same workout. In my case id be as weak as a kitten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I'll bet the ones suggesting footballers should be able to play two or more top-level matches in a week are more than a few kilos overweight and probably don't know the first thing about fitness. probably. I get shot down for saying this now and again but it smacks of people who have never played. Gie them 5 mins playing in midfield and they'll get an eye opener. People think because players are fit they'll run all day! Players train to be able to perform at a high level and it takes it out of your body. That's why there is alot of emphasis on recovery but if you take a knock on a Saturday , maybe put in a real hard 90 minutes aswell , it's hard work to be at a peak for a Wednesday night game after. You get different characters into the mix too, some will fight harder to get fit or battle through knocks to play , some won't. But either way some players will just be naturally fitter too and be quicker at healing or replenishing energy better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ortarkod Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Does playing an entire season and then a World Cup do any sort of damage that, say, a week's rest wouldn't undo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Just waiting on the classic "Aye they should make them work 7 hour shifts 5 days a week like the rest of us" line I'll step up and be the guy to end your wait then. Maybe not 7 hour shifts 5 days a week - but I do think that they should be putting more hours in than they currently do in many cases. I'm not necessarily talking about games and training - but I don't see any reason why they cant be out filling their days doing more meaningful stuff than nando's and shopping and whatever else they do. Have them visiting school kids or hospitals or community stuff..... theres about a million and one ways that they could be out there helping folk out / brightening up folks days etc all whilst raising the profile of the club. So yeah, maybe having them represent the club 7 hours a day 5 days a week wouldn't be such a bad thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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