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Going back to vintage Sturmanskie.    There are various guises of the vintage chronograph 3133 movements.   Sturmanskie and Poljot and others.   The Russians bought up all the tooling and components from the Swiss industry when they stopped production of the old Valjoux 7733 and 7734 stuff.    Some watchmakers went to work for the Russian makers. 

 

If you get an old 3133,  it's really just a Swiss Valjoux made in Russia.  

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Looking for some advice on watch repair in Edinburgh. 

 

I bought a mechanical watch 5 or 6 years ago when I was in Reykjavik(nothing too fancy/expensive!).  The spring no longer winds up when I twist the crown.  I've halfheartedly tried to get it fixed over the past couple of years to no avail. 

 

Any suggestions for someone/somewhere in Edinburgh that would be able to fix it?

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7 minutes ago, InNothingWeTrust said:

Looking for some advice on watch repair in Edinburgh. 

 

I bought a mechanical watch 5 or 6 years ago when I was in Reykjavik(nothing too fancy/expensive!).  The spring no longer winds up when I twist the crown.  I've halfheartedly tried to get it fixed over the past couple of years to no avail. 

 

Any suggestions for someone/somewhere in Edinburgh that would be able to fix it?

I can't offer advice on where to take it but you say it wasn't expensive. 6 years on it probably needs a service which I'm sure would see it returned in working order (with the possibility of an identical replacement movement being most cost effective). I'd probably expect to pay at least £150. It depends what inexpensive means to you along with what your attachment to your watch is. It might not be cost effective to repair, bearing in mind it'll probably want servicing in another 5ish years again. 

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2 hours ago, Carl Weathers said:

Some pics of my watch getting a service. Anyone know what the marks are around the dial?

 

https://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/library?action=show_photos&wat_id=4237&tk_id=75601602

 

Surely just colour loss off the dial but there's no way a good watchmaker will molest it.    Watchguy is supposed to be very,  very good.   

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On 03/01/2020 at 19:37, Taffin said:

 

That for the BB58?

 

I was in looking at the black bay two weeks ago and could have walked out with it there and then...unless they've sold a ton of them post Christmas.

 

I'm quite keen on a BB58 now. Does anyone know if there is a long waiting list? Where is the best place to go in Edinburgh?

 

A few months of a wait would be good for me.

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1 hour ago, Carl Weathers said:

 

I'm quite keen on a BB58 now. Does anyone know if there is a long waiting list? Where is the best place to go in Edinburgh?

 

A few months of a wait would be good for me.

From what I've been reading they're becoming slightly easier and quicker to obtain. 

Best places to ask though are the AD's in Edinburgh (not living anywhere near I've got no idea who they are). 

Be prepared to have to leave a deposit (refundable) and if you have to then take peace of mind that they're not taking the piss and won't muck you around.

I like the BB58 and tried to convince myself I wanted one. The idea sadly didn't stick.

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Cheers. I'd quite like to sell/trade in my Longines Hydroconquest to help fund it as well. A wee wait wouldn't be a bad thing as I just got the Rolex Precision and my wife will go radge. The selling of the other watch might soften her rage.

 

I think the BB58 looks great and would be a nice size for me. I havent seen it in the flesh yet however.  

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2 hours ago, Carl Weathers said:

 

I'm quite keen on a BB58 now. Does anyone know if there is a long waiting list? Where is the best place to go in Edinburgh?

 

A few months of a wait would be good for me.

 

Sorry, I'm not based in Edinburgh. I like the 58 too but I've decided to wait until August and get a regular black bay when the project I'm on finishes as a treat.

 

The 58 is a really nice watch though... admittedly I'm never sure what's considered a good watch or not in the eyes of those who genuinely know watches. But I like it.

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54 minutes ago, Carl Weathers said:

 as I just got the Rolex Precision and my wife will go radge. The selling of the other watch might soften her rage.

Hahaha I've been working hard on this as well. My last purchase wasn't meant to be followed up by another but I've somehow managed to convince her that it's a great idea for me to buy a Rolex explorer. She remarkably fine with that, but I may have over egged it as she wants a Tudor 1926 now.

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I got on a waiting list for the Black bay 58 and paid a 10% deposit. There are a couple of people ahead of me and they are hopeful I should get it in April (perfect timing for me).

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😀

 

There's a good chance that would work. I got on a waiting list today and they expect to get one for me in April. I had to put 10% down.

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14 minutes ago, Carl Weathers said:

😀

 

There's a good chance that would work. I got on a waiting list today and they expect to get one for me in April. I had to put 10% down.

 

It looks a right nice piece.   It's an obvious homage of the Rolex 6538 'proto-submariner' as seen on Sean Connery in Doctor No.    It's truer an homage than the Steinhart Ocean Vintage as that one is much bigger than the 6538.     There's the Rolex - Tudor heritage as well.    

 

I've had a sports Tudor before ( Monte Carlo chrono ) and the quality is very good.     It should be an absolute cracker you'll have.

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Looking forward to it. I'll be out the game after that. 

 

On another topic, I picked up a decent 75380 Bracelet for the Rolex for around £216. It didn't have the endlinks, so I have ordered some fakies off Ebay. The real bracelet doesn't seem significantly better quality than the aftermarket bracelet I bought. You can only really find out when buying everything online.

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Got a Strapcode / Miltat super engineer bracelet for the Tauchmeister diver I bought.     The bracelet is worth about the same as the watch.  :rofl:    I wasn't too pleased with the fit of it in the hooded lugs of the watch case - too much play in the fit.    Thought about putting in a pair of Seiko 'fat bars' but the lugs are blind rather than drilled and fat bars are almost impossible to remove without drilled lugs.    But I found a pair of fat bar sized spring bars with very needley ends with shoulders.    In they went and it's stiffened up the fit superbly.    Rather pleased.

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6 minutes ago, Carl Weathers said:

Looking forward to it. I'll be out the game after that. 

 

On another topic, I picked up a decent 75380 Bracelet for the Rolex for around £216. It didn't have the endlinks, so I have ordered some fakies off Ebay. The real bracelet doesn't seem significantly better quality than the aftermarket bracelet I bought. You can only really find out when buying everything online.

 

Mind I was saying though,   Rolex bracelets are nothing special.    Even modern ones leave a lot to be desired and they are notoriously marmite with watchies.    

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Have a look about for an NSA Novavit for it.    They're ok for a lightish weight watch like a vintage Rolex but no good for heavier watches.     They're thin but quite robust.    The friction pins are heavy gauge,  solid steel.    Best of all is that the clasp is spring loaded so it has a built in temperature expansion fit.    Very comfortable.     

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I think I might take a jump on one of the new Orient Kamasu divers. I think the dark blue dial version would look very smart on a heavy tan leather strap. 

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1 minute ago, Tazio said:

I think I might take a jump on one of the new Orient Kamasu divers. I think the dark blue dial version would look very smart on a heavy tan leather strap. 

 

They look quite good and it's a well thought of maker for value.    The only Orient I had was a higher spec one.    Pro Saturation model.    Orient's version of the Seiko Marinemaster MM300.    It had a bit of a silly folded link steel bracelet but the quality of the watch was ok.     Now that I'm typing I've remembered two more Orients.     A rare(ish) shrouded diver called a 'yellow beast' and a vintage perpetual calendar thing.    I've had my eye on a Mako II (XL) for a while.     

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1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

They look quite good and it's a well thought of maker for value.    The only Orient I had was a higher spec one.    Pro Saturation model.    Orient's version of the Seiko Marinemaster MM300.    It had a bit of a silly folded link steel bracelet but the quality of the watch was ok.     Now that I'm typing I've remembered two more Orients.     A rare(ish) shrouded diver called a 'yellow beast' and a vintage perpetual calendar thing.    I've had my eye on a Mako II (XL) for a while.     

I've got a couple of other Orients, a Flieger type one that I use as a beater and a Mako 1 that I like for the oddness of the 2nd crown just to change the day on the day-date complication. The Kamasu is a step on with the hacking and sapphire crystal. They're great value watches that look better than they cost. You're right though the bracelets are what you expect at the price point. I fancy the blue as it's a very dark blue not the lighter blue of the blue subs so isn't as obviously not black.

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7 minutes ago, Tazio said:

I've got a couple of other Orients, a Flieger type one that I use as a beater and a Mako 1 that I like for the oddness of the 2nd crown just to change the day on the day-date complication. The Kamasu is a step on with the hacking and sapphire crystal. They're great value watches that look better than they cost. You're right though the bracelets are what you expect at the price point. I fancy the blue as it's a very dark blue not the lighter blue of the blue subs so isn't as obviously not black.

 

Yeah go for it.  They look pretty good.   Chances are the reliability of the movement will be good VFM like most Japanese watches.    

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Kamasu arrived today. Loving it so far. Very dark blue dial that looks almost black in artificial light but is actually a very nice sunburst effect. Very good quality feel and look to it and looks very smart on a butterscotch leather strap. 

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13 hours ago, Tazio said:

Kamasu arrived today. Loving it so far. Very dark blue dial that looks almost black in artificial light but is actually a very nice sunburst effect. Very good quality feel and look to it and looks very smart on a butterscotch leather strap. 

That is a very nice watch. I've got a blue Mako (for $80 , the best value watch I ever bought) but that colouring on the Kamasu  is superb to my eye.  

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20 hours ago, Tazio said:

Kamasu arrived today. Loving it so far. Very dark blue dial that looks almost black in artificial light but is actually a very nice sunburst effect. Very good quality feel and look to it and looks very smart on a butterscotch leather strap. 

 

I was giving one more than a passing look today.    Definitely looks like very good bang for the buck.

 

Looking to add something from the second hand market but I think it will end up being a lump diver from one of my favourite boutique marques or maybe a nice mecha-quartz chronograph.

 

An Orient still a possibility for an affordable capture.

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Bought up another couple of cheapish quartz divers.    Tauchmeister with integrated shrouded case and castellated bezel (same as a Divex) with a retrograde 24 hour indicater hand (had one before).    A cheap 'Citron' top shrouded bezel diver.  Similar to the Casio MD703 which go for silly money.

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Since you mentioned vintage Soviet watches, @Victorian, I've been browsing around for one for a friend who would really appreciate a birthday gift like that. Unfortunately everything is either beaten up or overpriced (or both) where I've looked (eBay, Etsy). Any suggestions?

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3 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Since you mentioned vintage Soviet watches, @Victorian, I've been browsing around for one for a friend who would really appreciate a birthday gift like that. Unfortunately everything is either beaten up or overpriced (or both) where I've looked (eBay, Etsy). Any suggestions?

 

I would think there should be plenty of decent condition Vostoks.   If you want really good conditioned or brand new,   the modern 'Amphibian' equivalents are an option,   albeit not vintage.    

 

There will be lots on a worldwide Ebay search but believe it or not,   there are actually knock-off Vostoks out there.    Hard to believe when you consider the modest values of the real thing but apparently it must pay to rip them off.

 

If you look hard enough you might find the odd Molnija pocket watch conversion.    Basically pocket watch movements recased into a wristwatch.    Not vintage per se but I've seen some nice ones.

 

Poljot.  Slava.  Raketa (Paketa).  Strela.  Sturmanskie.  

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Thanks. I've had a look at all those on those sites, with the exception of Strela. Guess I'll keep looking (and being as discerning as a complete neophyte can be).

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15 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Thanks. I've had a look at all those on those sites, with the exception of Strela. Guess I'll keep looking (and being as discerning as a complete neophyte can be).

 

How about this Vostok Komandirskie?    Looks nice enough.

 

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17 minutes ago, Victorian said:

I had one of these.   That gold finish is a titanium nitride coating.

 

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Looks nice too--it's leading to other potential results. Main point of interest for him would be something manufactured in the USSR and therefore more vintage than these, but it's funny, you're somehow getting results of far better quality (and admittedly a bit pricier--but not by much) than I did. I just must be a searching disaster :lol:

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22 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Looks nice too--it's leading to other potential results. Main point of interest for him would be something manufactured in the USSR and therefore more vintage than these, but it's funny, you're somehow getting results of far better quality (and admittedly a bit pricier--but not by much) than I did. I just must be a searching disaster :lol:

 

The original ones were made in a place called Chistopol.     You may see similar little cardboard presentation boxes with vintage looking leaflets ( all in cyrillic ).    Modern looking leaflets and English text suggests not a true vintage,  Vostok factory issue.

 

There used to be specialist website sellers in the UK and overseas.    Not sure if there's any now.

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@Victorian, out of curiosity do you know why some of these vintage Soviet watches have Roman text and English on their faces and back plates? Is it because they were manufactured in the USSR specifically for export to Western regions? Whereas (in some cases otherwise identical) watches with Cyrillic script and written in Russian, those were intended for the domestic market?

 

Thanks.

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5 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

@Victorian, out of curiosity do you know why some of these vintage Soviet watches have Roman text and English on their faces and back plates? Is it because they were manufactured in the USSR specifically for export to Western regions? Whereas (in some cases otherwise identical) watches with Cyrillic script and written in Russian, those were intended for the domestic market?

 

Thanks.

 

Roman and Arabic (not English :)) numerals are just a common feature of watches I think.    I wouldn't go with Cyrillic text as proof of Russian manufacture.     Nor would English language text mean they are not.    I think there are many versions,  issues and configurations.   

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12 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Roman and Arabic (not English :)) numerals are just a common feature of watches I think.    I wouldn't go with Cyrillic text as proof of Russian manufacture.     Nor would English language text mean they are not.    I think there are many versions,  issues and configurations.   

 

I didn't mean the numerals--those are always Arabic if present, as far as I've seen. I meant that some will say "Made in USSR" on the face, for example, rather than "СДЕЛАНО В СССР". And the brand name would be in Roman script instead of Cyrillic.

 

Didn't mean it as a sign of authenticity either, as I'm pretty sure I'd be hopeless at figuring that out on my own anyway--I just wondered about the history of manufacture and if you knew anything about it.

 

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From what I recall,   Vostok originally manufactured solely for the military but later manufactured for the general market.    It could well be that over time there was a move towards a foreign market.      Vostok Europe appeared in later years,   based out of Lithuania,   to trade more easily in the EU.     VE watches were and are a very different entity to Vostok Chistopol,   albeit the original range had the same Russian movements.

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2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

From what I recall,   Vostok originally manufactured solely for the military but later manufactured for the general market.    It could well be that over time there was a move towards a foreign market.      Vostok Europe appeared in later years,   based out of Lithuania,   to trade more easily in the EU.     VE watches were and are a very different entity to Vostok Chistopol,   albeit the original range had the same Russian movements.

 

Very interesting! Since this idea is for a friend who loves history, very relevant too. Thanks.

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4 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

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I didn't mean the numerals--those are always Arabic if present, as far as I've seen. I meant that some will say "Made in USSR" on the face, for example, rather than "СДЕЛАНО В СССР". And the brand name would be in Roman script instead of Cyrillic.

 

Didn't mean it as a sign of authenticity either, as I'm pretty sure I'd be hopeless at figuring that out on my own anyway--I just wondered about the history of manufacture and if you knew anything about it.

 

 

I don't know for sure but I would highly doubt that non Cyrillic text means non Russian origin.    I think it's probably along the lines of what you were saying.   Watches made to appeal to a wider market maybe.

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4 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

Very interesting! Since this idea is for a friend who loves history, very relevant too. Thanks.

 

There's quite a bit of historical info in various Internet resources.    

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I've been given an old Seiko watch that has sat in a drawer for almost two decades. Don't believe it's worth much, just sentimental value.

 

I want to start wearing it but it could do with a new screen, battery, general clean up / service. I'm going to Brendan Haddock Jewelers to get a quote for this.

 

I've never had a watch restored/serviced before so does anyone have a rough figure of what I should expect? Don't want to get ripped off.

 

The watch is a Seiko 5 Automatic 21 Jewels. Seriel: 520203 Movement: 6110 Case: 8540

 

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It won’t need a battery as it’s a mechanical watch. As it’s a Seiko 5 it won’t be hand winding so give it a shake side to side for about 30 seconds and it will go. Also as it’s a Seiko 5 a full service and new parts will be more than the value of the watch I’m afraid. 

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Going by the pics,   it's been running for over a minute.    As Tazio said,  give it a gentle move around for 10 to 20 seconds then slap it on your wrist so that the power reserve builds up and it keeps running.    Give it a time keeping test against another time keeping device.     Maybe over an hour.    If it's within 5 seconds fast or slow,   it will be no worse than a couple of minutes per day so not worth bothering about getting it regulated.

 

It's a nice wee vintage Seiko.    

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The Kamasu on its strap I’ve put it on. Great condition apart from the nick on the bezel about the 5 o’clock. Shame it’s there but helped me get it for a decent price I can live with that though. 

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28 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

Managed to score this one for less than £40 shipped. Thanks for the encouragement, @Victorian!

 

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Nice choice.  17 jewel hand wound Komandirskie with a plain dial.   No dial graphics which are not to everyone's taste.   Nice little faceted cushion case.    Like that a lot.

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