Ecce Romanov Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Apols if this has been addressed elsewhere. I presume we'd automatically be relegated, but to where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 The Pitz League, if we are lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 We wouldn't be relegated... Wed have to sit out the season... That is the worst case scenario, arguably we wouldn't have time to arrange a newco before the season starts as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 HMFC removed from the league and it effectively becomes an 11 team league. After that, it is all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 HMFC removed from the league and it effectively becomes an 11 team league. After that, it is all over. Wheesht. We will survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Wheesht. We will survive. It was an answer to the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alva-Jambo Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Sparticus was to die and everyone in his clan said " I am Sparticus" His memory lives forever, but sadly they were all crucified. IF we go down and out we will go down with dignity, and I'll see you all over at Sauchton Park on Saturdays until we can get organised and apply for the 2nd Divison. Huns might have done walking away But Hearts are never about dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjambo190512 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 We'll take a massive support to Linlithgow Rose until theres a Hearts to support again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumelzier Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Apols if this has been addressed elsewhere. I presume we'd automatically be relegated, but to where? Hopefully won't come to this but it wouldn't be relegation, it would be what happened to rangers - if we are lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Hopefully won't come to this but it wouldn't be relegation, it would be what happened to rangers - if we are lucky. Not if the season has started, its game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 It would probably end up an 11 team league with some point's deduction or point's given to teams we have already and still to play, IMO the SPFL and the SFA would find some way of keeping us in the SPFL, Scottish football cannot afford to lose a team the size of ours, as the Gasman has already stated the SPL and the SFA are doing everything possible to keep us in the game and I can't see that changing because we are liquidated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumelzier Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Not if the season has started, its game over. You're right, possibly the bottom tier the following season or maybe the Lowland League ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 It would probably end up an 11 team league with some point's deduction or point's given to teams we have already and still to play, IMO the SPFL and the SFA would find some way of keeping us in the SPFL, Scottish football cannot afford to lose a team the size of ours, as the Gasman has already stated the SPL and the SFA are doing everything possible to keep us in the game and I can't see that changing because we are liquidated. Not having a go here, but what exactly have the spfl/sfa or any other official body done to keep us in the game. I've racked my brain and can't honestly think of anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masonic Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I could see a situation where the spfl could give us some dispensation and lets us in to league 2 for the 14/15 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Not having a go here, but what exactly have the spfl/sfa or any other official body done to keep us in the game. I've racked my brain and can't honestly think of anything Ask the Gasman, I just know they are helping us as much as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachearts Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Pant wetters are all over this as per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Ask the Gasman, I just know they are helping us as much as they can. Gasman isn't on this thread so I'm asking you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I could see a situation where the spfl could give us some dispensation and lets us in to league 2 for the 14/15 season If we have a ground to play in that meets the criteria and enough finances we will be in the SPFL, of that I have no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Gasman isn't on this thread so I'm asking you. TBH I couldn't give specifics but I've been told that the SFA and SPFL are giving Hearts as much help as possible and the Gasman confirmed it on another thread, he is far more connected than me to the inner workings at Tynecastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Can you imagine a scenario like the coupons when games were postponed? A committee meeting to decide if the team next playing Hearts would win, lose or draw now that would be fun to watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 The kind of help we need is a suspended sentence when they next meet( tomorrow I believe) to decide our punishment. TBH I couldn't give specifics but I've been told that the SFA and SPFL are giving Hearts as much help as possible and the Gasman confirmed it on another thread, he is far more connected than me to the inner workings at Tynecastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 The kind of help we need is a suspended sentence when they next meet( tomorrow I believe) to decide our punishment. They really can't do that though can they, we have broken the rules so therefore will be punished accordingly, I would be very surprised if we are given a fine though, signing embargo for a year or something of that ilk, any punishment the SFA hand out will not make one bit difference to our current predicament anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'm not sure what punishments they can actually impose, a fine, an embargo a points deduction what else is there? In fact I think that 2 body's imposing 2 punishments for what is in effect 1 "crime" is wrong. They really can't do that though can they, we have broken the rules so therefore will be punished accordingly, I would be very surprised if we are given a fine though, signing embargo for a year or something of that ilk, any punishment the SFA hand out will not make one bit difference to our current predicament anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumelzier Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 They really can't do that though can they, we have broken the rules so therefore will be punished accordingly, I would be very surprised if we are given a fine though, signing embargo for a year or something of that ilk, any punishment the SFA hand out will not make one bit difference to our current predicament anyway. Not sure about that rudi, it would make out current situation worse IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'm not sure what punishments they can actually impose, a fine, an embargo a points deduction what else is there? In fact I think that 2 body's imposing 2 punishments for what is in effect 1 "crime" is wrong. Does it really matter, we are part of the SPFL and are members of the SFA, it's UEFA who made sure we had sanctions in place for clubs entering administration, UEFA were fuming mad when der hun took the SFA to court over their original transfer/signing ban and won so the SFA had to act and make rules and regs more solid when it came to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Not sure about that rudi, it would make out current situation worse IMO. Howzat, what odds does it make to the Lithuanian administrators if we have an extended signing ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Does it really matter, we are part of the SPFL and are members of the SFA, it's UEFA who made sure we had sanctions in place for clubs entering administration, UEFA were fuming mad when der hun took the SFA to court over their original transfer/signing ban and won so the SFA had to act and make rules and regs more solid when it came to this. I'll take the same "punishment" sevco got. A suspended token fine, a transfer embargo with a months grace to sign as many players as we could and the end date meaning we can sign as many players as we want on pre contracts so we can register them the day after the transfer embargo ends. So in effect we would miss out on one transfer window in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 They really can't do that though can they, we have broken the rules so therefore will be punished accordingly, I would be very surprised if we are given a fine though, signing embargo for a year or something of that ilk, any punishment the SFA hand out will not make one bit difference to our current predicament anyway. They have a problem with us right now in that we are a few days away from the first KO of the new season, we are in admin and the word liquidation is being banded around freely right now. If we are liquidated the top league becomes an 11 team no relegation, winners already decided, sponsor-less farce, which will have no interest to anyone......the SPFL's problem not the SFA's but the over-all damage to the "product" is a concern for both governing bodies. Should we survive and they slap us with a host of sanctions then its as good as an 11 team league and may actually contribute to it becoming an 11 team league. IMO, Donkey and his cohorts will be having an "off the record" with the SFA and requesting another member of their committee be unavailable or some such thing to prevent any SFA ruling right now. If the SFA ignore this advice and bash on with a fit and proper punishment (as they see it) then they can live with the fall out from it. The coefficient will continue to plummet, more teams will struggle financially as gates drop and less sponsorship money is available. As a governing body they should be acting in the best interests of the game, Livingston, Dunfermline, Rangers, Hearts..........tip of the iceberg IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumelzier Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Howzat, what odds does it make to the Lithuanian administrators if we have an extended signing ban. Meant financial penalty, you did say 'any', Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alva-Jambo Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 They won't give us a fine as we couldn't f -- eckin pay it. So they neednt bother. .. if we survive. Its still 50-50, no point worrying this coming week guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I understand but I still think its wrong for 2 body's to impose punishments on anyone. Does it really matter, we are part of the SPFL and are members of the SFA, it's UEFA who made sure we had sanctions in place for clubs entering administration, UEFA were fuming mad when der hun took the SFA to court over their original transfer/signing ban and won so the SFA had to act and make rules and regs more solid when it came to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'll take the same "punishment" sevco got. A suspended token fine, a transfer embargo with a months grace to sign as many players as we could and the end date meaning we can sign as many players as we want on pre contracts so we can register them the day after the transfer embargo ends. So in effect we would miss out on one transfer window in January Old Rangers got the fine and newco got a suspended transfer embargo, we too right now can sign as many players as we want if they don't want a wage that is, there is nothing to stop us doing that we, like der hun just cannot register them, if we went into liquidation and a good few or our players walked I would think we to would be given time to sign new players can't see why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Old Rangers got the fine and newco got a suspended transfer embargo, we too right now can sign as many players as we want if they don't want a wage that is, there is nothing to stop us doing that we, like der hun just cannot register them, if we went into liquidation and a good few or our players walked I would think we to would be given time to sign new players can't see why not. IIRC, THE Rangers accepted the transfer embargo as part of the hooky deal to get them league status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I understand but I still think its wrong for 2 body's to impose punishments on anyone. Yeh but it really doesn't matter because we're getting an embargo regardless, rules and regs mate if they don't dot the i's and cross the t's then they get the scenario like der hun taking them to court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 IIRC, THE Rangers accepted the transfer embargo as part of the hooky deal to get them league status. Hooky, it's not hooky it would be bloody suicide if they didn't let them back in, like they will for us as long as we meet the criteria, if it's that "hooky" why hasn't anyone taken it to court if they think some law has been broken, why don't you do it, it's your right as a citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I understand but I still think its wrong for 2 body's to impose punishments on anyone. It's not punishment it's just the consequences of going into administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Hooky, it's not hooky it would be bloody suicide if they didn't let them back in, like they will for us as long as we meet the criteria, if it's that "hooky" why hasn't anyone taken it to court if they think some law has been broken, why don't you do it, it's your right as a citizen. I suggest if you want an answer to this you read through the Rangers thread. Suicide or not but they broke there own rules to let Rangers in. Do I care - no. I was pointing out the transfer embargo was part of a deal and should not be considered the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Rangers weren't let back in Rangers are being liquidated. Their copycat replacement club Sevco Scotland were admitted into Scottish football even though they didn't meet the entry criteria they let the new club join. We wouldn't get back in either, we would be dead just like Rangers are. How a new Hearts club would be treated is anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I suggest if you want an answer to this you read through the Rangers thread. Suicide or not but they broke there own rules to let Rangers in. Do I care - no. I was pointing out the transfer embargo was part of a deal and should not be considered the norm. In what way, being serious here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 In what way, being serious here? There's a list of criteria you have to meet to be given a licence to play - The Rangers/Sevco met very few, but were allowed in, to be allowed in they accepted a number of sanctions - one of which was a transfer embargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 All clubs are supposed to be able to provide 3 years financial accounts. Obviously newly created clubs Gretna 2008 and Sevco The Rangers couldn't provide these as they'd only just been created. The Rangers were given entry but Gretna had to seek entry at a lower level as they didn't meet entry criteria neither did Sevco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 There's a list of criteria you have to meet to be given a licence to play - The Rangers/Sevco met very few, but were allowed in, to be allowed in they accepted a number of sanctions - one of which was a transfer embargo. List away bud, I'm curious as to what has been reported as "gospel" on the hun thread, because most of what I've seen is tweets for someone to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 In what way, being serious here? To start you off. Letting a brand new club with no accounts for the last three years, (never mind not even having a bank account) join the senior leagues. (without a voting/nomination process or even allowing other 'junior' clubs to apply) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 List away bud, I'm curious as to what has been reported as "gospel" on the hun thread, because most of what I've seen is tweets for someone to someone else. I really can't be arsed, I have no care for them or the rights and wrongs of their entry. I was pointing out that anything that happened this time last year to Rangers / The Rangers cannot be a guide to our fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 All clubs are supposed to be able to provide 3 years financial accounts. Obviously newly created clubs Gretna 2008 and Sevco The Rangers couldn't provide these as they'd only just been created. The Rangers were given entry but Gretna had to seek entry at a lower level as they didn't meet entry criteria neither did Sevco. http://www.scottishf...=3&newsID=10204 When did Gretna 2008 seek permission to enter the SFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_ Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I wish this myth about teams getting liquidated and then relegated to the third division would stop. Any team (other than the Old Firm) that goes out of business has to reform and apply to join the league along with other non-league applicants. Airdrie United had to apply (Gretna won the vote then Airdrie took over Clydebank), Gretna 2008 never applied and went into the East of Scotland League. This could change in the future with the pyramid system i.e. promoting a team from the Highland or Lowland league instead of taking applications but that remains to be seen. Personally, I think there is a chance that if we were liquidated then we'd reform and apply for the Lowland League for 2014/15. There has been talk of it expanding to 16 teams and there will be the possibility for promotion into the league at the end of that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I really can't be arsed, I have no care for them or the rights and wrongs of their entry. I was pointing out that anything that happened this time last year to Rangers / The Rangers cannot be a guide to our fate. I think they can as long as we can provide certain criteria to be met, eg, ground to play on, finances, etc, listen bud there is no argument here just don't think that we will be shafted by the footballing authorities IMO they will do everything they can to make sure we are still 1) in the Premier League, 2) in the SPFL, that's my view. Do I think they helped der hun, undoubtedly, do I think they will help us as much, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 http://www.scottishf...=3&newsID=10204 When did Gretna 2008 seek permission to enter the SFL? They didn't because they didn't meet the entry criteria thus no prospect of entry. Airdrie United sought a league place after Airdrionians were liquidated and were told they wouldn't get in thus they had to change tactics and bought over Clydebank and removed them to Airdrie to ensure the new Airdrie club had league status. What happened with Rangers was highly unusual as they like Airdrie and Gretna simply didn't meet league criteria for entry. THE RANGERS were treated as a special case that is in no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I think they can as long as we can provide certain criteria to be met, eg, ground to play on, finances, etc, listen bud there is no argument here just don't think that we will be shafted by the footballing authorities IMO they will do everything they can to make sure we are still 1) in the Premier League, 2) in the SPFL, that's my view. Do I think they helped der hun, undoubtedly, do I think they will help us as much, yes. I said much the same earlier on - there's currently to much at stake to shaft us (right now anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_ Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 They didn't because they didn't meet the entry criteria thus no prospect of entry. Airdrie United sought a legislate after Airdrionians were liquidated and were told they wouldn't get in thus they had to change tactics and bought over Clydebank and removed them to Airdrie to ensure the new Airdrie club had league status. What happened with Rangers was highly unusual as they like Airdrie and Gretna simply didn't meet league criteria for entry. THE RANGERS were treated as a special case that is in no doubt. If Airdrie United were told they weren't allowed in then why were they allowed to compete with Gretna etc. for the vacant spot in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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