Gundermann Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 13 hours ago, Japan Jambo said: Sounds like great news to me. Whats the bad news/who is upset; have they massively jacked up the subsidies? It is great news. One less thing to bash Scot Gov about though. Subsidies for public transport... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Libertarian said: Scottish independence is not only the best way of changing Scotland, but actually challenging the nature of UK politics & the way that it works at present throughout these islands. Scottish independence is in fact a revolution which will sweep away the rotting UK establishment which is seeing growing poverty and inequality There are some, Billy Bragg IIRC, who see Scottish independence as a way to create a progressive egalitarian social democracy in England that isn't wed to the Royal Family, Empire or class system. I'd love to see it. Win, win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) A Danish view on Thatcher and her legacy. Don't we know it... Quote The UK is not just significantly poorer than France, let alone Germany or Denmark. The poorest 10% of Britons now also earn less than the poorest 10% in Slovenia... Edited April 23 by Gundermann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 12 minutes ago, Gundermann said: There are some, Billy Bragg IIRC, who see Scottish independence as a way to create a progressive egalitarian social democracy in England that isn't wed to the Royal Family, Empire or class system. I'd love to see it. Win, win. Billy Bragg the misogynist , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 11 minutes ago, Gundermann said: A Danish view on Thatcher and her legacy. Don't we know it... Denmark ! 💤😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertarian Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, TallPaul said: Can you explain why Scotland becoming economically poorer in the unlikely event of independence help reduce poverty? The GDP of Denmark is 50% higher than in Scotland. The GDP of Norway is two thirds higher than Scotland's. Can you explain how allowing a rancid corrupt UK establishment to make the economic decisions for Scotland is is better for the people of Scotland? We are by-standers in our own country where the decisions that really matter are made elsewhere. That's why poverty is increasing and life expectancy in many areas of Scotland is decreasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, Libertarian said: The GDP of Denmark is 50% higher than in Scotland. The GDP of Norway is two thirds higher than Scotland's. Can you explain how allowing a rancid corrupt UK establishment to make the economic decisions for Scotland is is better for the people of Scotland? We are by-standers in our own country where the decisions that really matter are made elsewhere. That's why poverty is increasing and life expectancy in many areas of Scotland is decreasing. Do u and that other poster work for the Scandi tourist board ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 8 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Do u and that other poster work for the Scandi tourist board ? Play the ball and not the men Judy... Rebut their postulations or wheesht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 17 minutes ago, Libertarian said: The GDP of Denmark is 50% higher than in Scotland. The GDP of Norway is two thirds higher than Scotland's. Can you explain how allowing a rancid corrupt UK establishment to make the economic decisions for Scotland is is better for the people of Scotland? We are by-standers in our own country where the decisions that really matter are made elsewhere. That's why poverty is increasing and life expectancy in many areas of Scotland is decreasing. That's all great. But unless the journey from day 1 of independence to where those countries are now can be explained, worts and all, then it's understandable why most people think its not worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Oor "Scandinaiveans" oot in force again with their usual nonsense without any factual back up as to how our economy would magically transform despite the further 10 years of austerity Swinney said would follow Indy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said: Play the ball and not the men Judy... Rebut their postulations or wheesht I cant help playing the men ! on a serious note comparing And contrasting countries isn’t that scientific really . There are a myriad of things to take into account why Scandi countries seem relatively successful . Being of a small populous probably has little to do with it . Edited April 23 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said: Oor "Scandinaiveans" oot in force again with their usual nonsense without any factual back up as to how our economy would magically transform despite the further 10 years of austerity Swinney said would follow Indy I know . Seems to be the new argument . It won’t wash with the great Scottish public when they realise it’s over a tenner a pint in these countries 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Happy St George's day everyone. Enjoy your celebrations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: Happy St George's day everyone. Enjoy your celebrations 👍👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Saint George born in Turkey buried in Palestine Happy dragon hunting people ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertarian Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, pablo said: That's all great. But unless the journey from day 1 of independence to where those countries are now can be explained, worts and all, then it's understandable why most people think its not worth the risk. There's a bigger risk tied to a UK state which still thinks it has an empire and is a super power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said: Happy St George's day everyone. Enjoy your celebrations 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Do u and that other poster work for the Scandi tourist board ? He works for Putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said: Happy St George's day everyone. Enjoy your celebrations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Do the hoosers celebrate St Georges day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Do the hoosers celebrate St Georges day? Only if it upsets the fieldies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Custard Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: Oor "Scandinaiveans" oot in force again with their usual nonsense without any factual back up as to how our economy would magically transform despite the further 10 years of austerity Swinney said would follow Indy The Norwegians weren’t so keen on secession. Facing the result of the referendum, Erna Solberg, Prime Minister of Norway, stated to Norwegian broadcaster NRK she was 'glad' Scotland chose to remain in the union and that Scottish independence could have become challenging for Norway as a neighbouring country.[455] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Only if it upsets the fieldies. Only if they're shite trolls you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 19 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Only if they're shite trolls you say? You need a hand putting the bunting up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, il Duce McTarkin said: You need a hand putting the bunting up? Think he needs a hand getting up 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 49 minutes ago, Libertarian said: There's a bigger risk tied to a UK state which still thinks it has an empire and is a super power. Not enough people agree with you to change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said: Think he needs a hand getting up 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, pablo said: Not enough people agree with you to change anything. We all know that Libertarian doesn't like empires and super powers unless they're Russian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, il Duce McTarkin said: We all know that Libertarian doesn't like empires and super powers unless they're Russian. Maybe it's Alex Salmond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, pablo said: That's all great. But unless the journey from day 1 of independence to where those countries are now can be explained, worts and all, then it's understandable why most people think its not worth the risk. There's no doubt its a risk but most developed countries of a comparable size seem to do well enough. I'd give Ireland as the best example - there's a good report here which explores the preconceptions at the time of independence and what happened since. It would be unreasonable to think there will not be disruption and things may wel get slightly worse before they get better. But it is also reasonable to think that there is a good chance Scotland would eventually develop a good economy, especially within Europe, given its natural resources and its tourism potential/ the Scottish diaspora, just as ireland has done. https://www.economicsobservatory.com/irelands-economy-since-independence-what-lessons-from-the-past-100-years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 22 minutes ago, pablo said: Maybe it's Alex Salmond? Salmond comes across quite likeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 53 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: There's no doubt its a risk but most developed countries of a comparable size seem to do well enough. I'd give Ireland as the best example - there's a good report here which explores the preconceptions at the time of independence and what happened since. It would be unreasonable to think there will not be disruption and things may wel get slightly worse before they get better. But it is also reasonable to think that there is a good chance Scotland would eventually develop a good economy, especially within Europe, given its natural resources and its tourism potential/ the Scottish diaspora, just as ireland has done. https://www.economicsobservatory.com/irelands-economy-since-independence-what-lessons-from-the-past-100-years 😀 Yeah, it only took 80 years and then there was another recession after the banks crashed. The booming Irish economy was based on UK and EU subsidies, bank credit and the safety net of working in England and the UK benefit system. Of course there was also mass emigration. Nothing wrong with supporting an independent Scotland but it will take decades to establish. The "We'll be richer than Dubai" bullshit based on Murrellnomics and an emotional hatred of the neighbours is financial suicide and the majority of Scots are bright enough to understand that. Now i'm off to party with the noisy neighbours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: ... an emotional hatred of the neighbours... Often cited and no doubt with a smidgen of truth in a handful of extreme cases but, in general, complete and utter horseshite...IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Japan Jambo said: Think he needs a hand getting up 😁 Sadly true. 2 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I've got a few left from the ones you gave me last time 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, scott herbertson said: There's no doubt its a risk but most developed countries of a comparable size seem to do well enough. I'd give Ireland as the best example - there's a good report here which explores the preconceptions at the time of independence and what happened since. It would be unreasonable to think there will not be disruption and things may wel get slightly worse before they get better. But it is also reasonable to think that there is a good chance Scotland would eventually develop a good economy, especially within Europe, given its natural resources and its tourism potential/ the Scottish diaspora, just as ireland has done. https://www.economicsobservatory.com/irelands-economy-since-independence-what-lessons-from-the-past-100-years Nah down with that. The boys want to remain tied to mammy's apron strings in steerage on the Titanic with a coterie of ****wits and outright criminals at the helm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, SE16 3LN said: 😀 Yeah, it only took 80 years and then there was another recession after the banks crashed. The booming Irish economy was based on UK and EU subsidies, bank credit and the safety net of working in England and the UK benefit system. Of course there was also mass emigration. Nothing wrong with supporting an independent Scotland but it will take decades to establish. The "We'll be richer than Dubai" bullshit based on Murrellnomics and an emotional hatred of the neighbours is financial suicide and the majority of Scots are bright enough to understand that. Now i'm off to party with the noisy neighbours. Fair comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: Nah down with that. The boys want to remain tied to mammy's apron strings in steerage on the Titanic with a coterie of ****wits and outright criminals at the helm. From where I sit, no difference between the SNP and Unionist parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, SE16 3LN said: 😀 Yeah, it only took 80 years and then there was another recession after the banks crashed. The booming Irish economy was based on UK and EU subsidies, bank credit and the safety net of working in England and the UK benefit system. Of course there was also mass emigration. Nothing wrong with supporting an independent Scotland but it will take decades to establish. The "We'll be richer than Dubai" bullshit based on Murrellnomics and an emotional hatred of the neighbours is financial suicide and the majority of Scots are bright enough to understand that. Now i'm off to party with the noisy neighbours. Good posting . Truth bullets . Even the SNP acknowledge the economic “ hurdles “ of a post Indy Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 14 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: I reckon Rishi Sunak, Keith Starmer and whichever empty suit is in charge of the LibDems could all ride a scooter. I'm not sure about that. The only difference I see between them is the colour of the rosette they wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 hours ago, Libertarian said: The GDP of Denmark is 50% higher than in Scotland. The GDP of Norway is two thirds higher than Scotland's. Can you explain how allowing a rancid corrupt UK establishment to make the economic decisions for Scotland is is better for the people of Scotland? We are by-standers in our own country where the decisions that really matter are made elsewhere. That's why poverty is increasing and life expectancy in many areas of Scotland is decreasing. Unbelievably simplistic thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Do the hoosers celebrate St Georges day? Not sure about that but definitely Bloody Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertarian Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, TallPaul said: Unbelievably simplistic thinking. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 12 minutes ago, Libertarian said: Why? Well for a start the country has been independent since 875 AD with a currency that has been built up since 1875. Scotland would be starting a fresh with very little economic foundations and our share of the UK national debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 14 minutes ago, TallPaul said: share of the UK national debt. Be prepared for replies from the “ bumping” brigade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 16 minutes ago, TallPaul said: and our share of the UK national debt. And our commensurate share of national assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, Boof said: And our commensurate share of national assets. What “ assets “ ! Apparently the uk is broke , skint , finished . Well a few on this never stop saying it is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, Boof said: Often cited and no doubt with a smidgen of truth in a handful of extreme cases but, in general, complete and utter horseshite...IMO. Fair comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 SNP need rid of him and the rest of the Greens https://x.com/connorgillies/status/1782785319365931192?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPaul Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 31 minutes ago, Boof said: And our commensurate share of national assets. What would they be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: SNP need rid of him and the rest of the Greens https://x.com/connorgillies/status/1782785319365931192?s=46&t=Uyg6zS_aUfEwlXY6vOoxzQ It makes me question What do the Scottish Greens have on the SNP ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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