The Rangers soap opera goes on and on.

[Boof]

I appreciate it's probably already been done on this thread but I'm hopeless at using the search facility...

 

If a person - let's call him Mr Orange - wished to start up a new football club and join the Scottish league what would be the steps needed to be taken?

 

Step 1 - form a company

Step 2 - create a football team

Step 3 - find league to play in

Step 4 - apply for SFA membership

Step 5 - have 3 years' worth of (properly) audited accounts

Step 6 - apply to join SFL (when there becomes a vacancy?)

Step 7 - start in SFL 3 (as every other new club has done)

 

Any football admin types please pick holes in that and put it in the correct order.

 

Ta.

[Francis Albert]

The thing is that it doesn't matter if they announce something or not. The idiots are trying to fix it to fit their pre-determined decision.

 

By now, Dundee should be on our fixture list if Scottish football lived in a normal environment.

 

 

And in a normal environment (which would also apply in Scotland if the liquidated club were not one of the OF) the other adjustments in SFL1 and SFL2 would also already have been made and the only vacancy would be in SFL3.

Edited July 6, 2012 by Francis Albert

[Francis Albert]

If Rangers are voted into SFL Division 3......

 

I can't see how it's possible to change 4 entire fixture lists less than 3 weeks prior to the start of a season and expect a team who's budgeted and prepared for Division 1 to suddenly be thrust into the SPL.

 

I'll sort out the adjusted fixtures for the SFL and SPL in 5 minutes if they're struggling.

 

It is very straightforward

 

Dundee I am sure will be happy to cope with being thrust into the SPL, and for the others affected moving up one division in the SFL from Div 3 to 2 and Div 2 to Div1 is no big deal and again the affected clubs will I am sure be happy.

 

However it is I agree ridiculous that they are all having to wait until the last minute for confirmation of which league they are playing in. But then they are each only one of the 40 parasite clubs who don't matter to Scottish football. .

[tartofmidlothian]

No-one on here is in the least convinced about the whole 'armageddon' thing, right? Everyone gets it that what clubs will have to do is simply what we've been doing - don't sign new players, let out of contract ones go and try and offload a high earner or two. One or two clubs might go into admin, but not being financial basket cases like Rangers, they'll be out by the end of the season.

 

I predict we'll be sitting here in May talking about the exciting, competitive, a bit lower quality season gone by. And Doncaster, Regan etc's spin will be shown up for what it is.

[The Gasman]

I appreciate it's probably already been done on this thread but I'm hopeless at using the search facility...

 

If a person - let's call him Mr Orange - wished to start up a new football club and join the Scottish league what would be the steps needed to be taken?

 

Step 1 - form a company

Step 2 - create a football team

Step 3 - find league to play in

Step 4 - apply for SFA membership

Step 5 - have 3 years' worth of (properly) audited accounts

Step 6 - apply to join SFL (when there becomes a vacancy?)

Step 7 - start in SFL 3 (as every other new club has done)

 

Any football admin types please pick holes in that and put it in the correct order.

 

Ta.

 

Normally you would expect any brand new team to start at an Amateur / Junior level, where there's no requirement for three years audited accounts. That's only an SFA requirement at Senior level, hence Sevco5088's problem.

[Boof]

Normally you would expect any brand new team to start at an Amateur / Junior level, where there's no requirement for three years audited accounts. That's only an SFA requirement at Senior level, hence Sevco5088's problem.

 

Cheers Gasman.

 

I think I'm approaching clarity...

 

So, once Mr Orange's team have been playing in the amateurs for 3 years (and therefore have 3 years' worth of accounts) then, and ONLY then - if we're going to follow SFA (or SFL?) rules - they may apply to join the SFL?

[Gorgiewave]

Normally you would expect any brand new team to start at an Amateur / Junior level, where there's no requirement for three years audited accounts. That's only an SFA requirement at Senior level, hence Sevco5088's problem.

 

Exactly. The idea that they should definitely be somewhere in the league structure is wrong. They are a new club, with no accounts, no clear funding, 6 first team players according to A. McCoist (7 is the minimum to field a team) and no clarity about whether they have a stadium (the fact they have bought it for well under its market price must be a subject for an investigation).

[269miles]

Exactly. The idea that they should definitely be somewhere in the league structure is wrong. They are a new club, with no accounts, no clear funding, 6 first team players according to A. McCoist (7 is the minimum to field a team) and no clarity about whether they have a stadium (the fact they have bought it for well under its market price must be a subject for an investigation).

 

According to RTC poster last night , McMoist says 10 players turned up for training (2-3 still on holiday , assuming they come back ?).

He better tell the U21s to dust down their boots ,pronto.

[Brave Hearts]

Article in Daily Telegraph

 

"Sky subscribers pay price for Premier League rights deal

 

By Matt ScottLast Updated: 6:48AM BST 06/07/2012

 

Armchair football fans are discovering this week that they must pay extra for Sky?s decision to give the Premier League ?760million a year for its rights. Sky is in the process of sending letters and emails to subscribers informing them of its new pricing policy.

 

The email, undersigned by Sky?s managing director, Stephen van Rooyen, reads: ?After last year?s price freeze, we finally have to change some of our prices. What?s behind the change? We?ve been investing heavily in channels, programmes, technology and services to give you the very best entertainment.?

 

It is clear from how the price rise will affect viewers that it is Sky?s successful Premier League-rights bid last month that has driven the changes.

 

While subscribers to Sky Movies will see no change to their monthly subscription fees, those with a ?21.50-a-month Sky Entertainment package and with a ?9-a-month ESPN subscription face paying an extra ?2.50 a month. That equates to an 8.2 per cent hike on last season"

[Floyd]

Further question on Brown.

 

Has he yet revealed what this horrendous thing was that Green said to him or is he still keeping his powder dry on that one?

 

As posted previously he is keeping that in his sock drawer along with the list of his consortium members.

 

To be fair though, if I was looking for someone to front my consortium that was an ex player, Brown wouldn't even enter my thinking, one can only imagine that people like Scott Nisbet & Stuart Munro were unavailable.

[kingantti1874]

Article in Daily Telegraph

 

"Sky subscribers pay price for Premier League rights deal

 

By Matt ScottLast Updated: 6:48AM BST 06/07/2012

 

Armchair football fans are discovering this week that they must pay extra for Sky?s decision to give the Premier League ?760million a year for its rights. Sky is in the process of sending letters and emails to subscribers informing them of its new pricing policy.

 

The email, undersigned by Sky?s managing director, Stephen van Rooyen, reads: ?After last year?s price freeze, we finally have to change some of our prices. What?s behind the change? We?ve been investing heavily in channels, programmes, technology and services to give you the very best entertainment.?

 

It is clear from how the price rise will affect viewers that it is Sky?s successful Premier League-rights bid last month that has driven the changes.

 

While subscribers to Sky Movies will see no change to their monthly subscription fees, those with a ?21.50-a-month Sky Entertainment package and with a ?9-a-month ESPN subscription face paying an extra ?2.50 a month. That equates to an 8.2 per cent hike on last season"

 

disgraceful...im cancelling mine

[Mysterion]

And the Celtic journalist Tony McKelvie has been talking about how the money the SPL gets from broadcast rights is so disapportinate. He is mainly looking at what the BBC pays for TV and internet highlights and radio broadcast rights, which the SPL gets ?500k a season or ?40k per club per season, this compares to ?1m per club per season the bbc pays each EPL club just for TV highlights. Also points out that Alan Hanson earns 3x more a year (?1.5m) than what the BBC pays the SPL for all these rights. So a Scottish pundit gets more to be on the bbc once a week (with the odd exception) than the BBC pay to the top Scottish league. Depressing.

 

 

Tony made some good points. Most significant was that Alan Hanson's BBC wages are 3 times the wages paid for SPL rights.

 

I demand they cancel River City now and divert the cash into SPL and SFL rights!

[7628mm]

Rangers have received one punishment. ?160K fine, which they have not and will not pay. The rest were just consequences of going into administration and then being liquidated. They don't exist now, through no-one else's doing, so none of this is punishment.

 

I thought that the ?160K fine was directly to Craig Whyte and not the "old" Rangers. Am I correct or was CW fined in addition?

[Mysterion]

Sort of related:

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/07/06/rangers-in-crisis-ibrox-club-line-up-craig-beattie-as-next-signing-if-transfer-ban-is-lifted-86908-23904982/

 

 

The journalism is horrendous here. The transfer ban doesn't exist as they took the SFA to court and overturned it:

 

Keith Jackson must be feeling he's trailing Traynor in the crap journalism stakes.

 

Record Sport can reveal Ibrox boss Ally McCoist wants the ex-Celtic striker to join Ian Black in Glasgow next season.

 

The duo were key men in the Tynecastle club?s historic run to Hampden glory last May but both are out of contract and ready to move as free agents if Rangers partially overturn their one-year ban from the transfer market.

[Socrates]

I think this is the latest vote count. If anyone finds any mistakes or omissions let me know.

 

Updated

Current Total :2 Yes, 13 No, 2 Not Voting, 13 Unknown

 

First Division: (7 Nos, 2 Unclear, 1 Ineligible)

Cowdenbeath ? No (http://www.cowdenbea...iewNews&id=1075)

Dumbarton ? Unclear. Meeting for trust members and season ticket holders called (http://www.dumbarton...de=view&id=4021)

Dundee ? Ineligibile to Vote

Dunfermline Athletic ? No (http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/18651252)

Falkirk - No (http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/18591278'>http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/18591278)

Greenock Morton ? No (http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/18613814)

Hamilton Academical ? Unclear (http://www.acciesfc.co.uk//)

Livingston ? No (http://www.scotsman....?commentssort=0)

Partick Thistle ? No (http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/18704923)

Raith Rovers - No (http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/18591278)

 

Second Division: (2 Yes, 1 No, 1 Abstain, 6 Unclear, some consulting fans)

Airdrie United ? Abstain (http://sport.stv.tv/...ct-of-interest/)

Albion Rovers ? Likely Yes (http://www.eveningti...otland.18058899)

Alloa Athletic ? Consulting fans (http://www.alloaathl...temID=724&mid=2)

Arbroath - Unknown

Ayr United ? Unclear ? maybe more no than yes (http://www.ayrunited...nt_news_id=2997)

Brechin City ? Discussing at their AGM on 11th (http://www.brechinci...1174&category=2)

East Fife ? No (http://www.eastfifef...tement-re-newco)

Forfar Athletic ? Unclear (http://www.forfarath...ement&Itemid=27)

Queen of the South ? Unclear (http://www.dgstandar...51311-31280514/'>http://www.dgstandar...51311-31280514/)

Stenhousemuir ? Yes (http://www.stenhousemuirfc.com/news/2012/07/05/790/)

 

Third Division: (5 No, 5 Unknown)

Annan Athletic ? No (http://www.dgstandar...51311-31280514/)

Berwick Rangers - Unknown

Clyde ? No (http://www.clydefc.c...012/07/04/4137/)

East Stirlingshire ? Unknown (http://www.falkirkhe...nsion-1-2392410)

Elgin City - Unknown

Montrose - Unknown

Peterhead ? No (http://sport.stv.tv/...third-division/)

Queen's Park - Unknown

Stirling Albion ? No (http://www.stirlingalbionfc.co.uk/news)

Stranraer ? No (http://www.stranraerfc.org//)

[Munch]

Mr Green i hope you have deep pockets :lol:

 

 

Rangers in crisis: Charles Green faces ?15m black hole after just 250 season tickets are sold

 

Jul 6 2012 Exclusive by Keith McLeod

 

 

Ibrox - Stand empty 460

 

Only 250 season tickets have been sold for next season as uncertainty remains over which league Rangers will play in

 

RANGERS face a deepening cash crisis after netting just ?100,000 from season ticket sales.

 

The Ibrox club are believed to have sold just 250 ? a sharp contrast from last season?s near 40,000 sales.

 

And unless there is a last-minute rush, new owner Charles Green faces a ?15million black hole in his finances.

 

Green needs to meet ?1million a month running costs but that cash is rapidly drying up.

 

Many fans cancelled their standing orders or failed to renew season tickets over fears of Green?s ownership and uncertainty over which division Gers would be playing in.

 

The club extended the season ticket deadline until next Friday.

 

But that could be futile as the SFL only meet that day to decide whether or not they play in Division One or Division Three.On Wednesday, SPL clubs voted 10-1 not to allow Rangers newco into the Premier League.

 

A senior fans source said: ?We were given an official figure of ?100,000 and that represents just 250 supporters. No one wants to risk parting with their money until there is clarity on where we are playing next season.?

 

Rangers declined to comment but it is understood that the club?s cash flow is starting to ring alarm bells. Fans are refusing to buy tickets unless Rangers are allowed to start again in the Third Division ? and NOT parachuted into Division One.

 

Last night. Andy Kerr, of the Rangers Supporters? Assembly, said: ?Our view is crystal clear. We will not have notions of ?integrity? thrown back at us in future. We believe Rangers should be in the Third Division.

 

?But in this new environment, where chairmen are suddenly listening to their fans, Green and Malcolm Murray should do the same and listen to the 80 per cent of Rangers fans who wish to go to Division Three.

 

?If they listen, then I can foresee a time when fans? organisations will advise their members to renew season tickets, but at a lower rate to reflect the Third Division status.

 

?And once that particular lever is pulled, then we will advise as many fans as possible to renew.?

 

Last week, Rangers moved to allay fears among fans who claimed attempts had been made to stop them cancelling their season tickets.

 

The club response came after supporter Bob Crossan told the Record he was charged ?93 by a company called Fastpay ? despite informing Gers he didn?t want to renew his season book.

 

However, Rangers finance director Brian Stockbridge told us then: ?No season ticket money has been collected as yet from direct debits and none will be until July 6 at the earliest.?

 

Last night, Rangers would not comment on season ticket sales to date. Any fans seeking clarification can call supporter services on 0871 702 1972.

.

[Mysterion]

MESSAGE FOR RANGERS FANS:

 

WHEN YOU GO BUST FOR A 2ND TIME IT WILL BE COMPLETELY DOWN TO YOU. NO EXCUSES, NO BLAMING THE SFA, NO BLAMING OTHER FANS OR BULLYING THEM.

 

GIRUY!

[gnasher75]

Mr Green i hope you have deep pockets :lol:

 

 

Rangers in crisis: Charles Green faces ?15m black hole after just 250 season tickets are sold

 

Jul 6 2012 Exclusive by Keith McLeod

 

 

Ibrox - Stand empty 460

 

Only 250 season tickets have been sold for next season as uncertainty remains over which league Rangers will play in

 

RANGERS face a deepening cash crisis after netting just ?100,000 from season ticket sales.

 

The Ibrox club are believed to have sold just 250 ? a sharp contrast from last season?s near 40,000 sales.

 

And unless there is a last-minute rush, new owner Charles Green faces a ?15million black hole in his finances.

 

Green needs to meet ?1million a month running costs but that cash is rapidly drying up.

 

Many fans cancelled their standing orders or failed to renew season tickets over fears of Green?s ownership and uncertainty over which division Gers would be playing in.

 

The club extended the season ticket deadline until next Friday.

 

But that could be futile as the SFL only meet that day to decide whether or not they play in Division One or Division Three.On Wednesday, SPL clubs voted 10-1 not to allow Rangers newco into the Premier League.

 

A senior fans source said: ?We were given an official figure of ?100,000 and that represents just 250 supporters. No one wants to risk parting with their money until there is clarity on where we are playing next season.?

 

Rangers declined to comment but it is understood that the club?s cash flow is starting to ring alarm bells. Fans are refusing to buy tickets unless Rangers are allowed to start again in the Third Division ? and NOT parachuted into Division One.

 

Last night. Andy Kerr, of the Rangers Supporters? Assembly, said: ?Our view is crystal clear. We will not have notions of ?integrity? thrown back at us in future. We believe Rangers should be in the Third Division.

 

?But in this new environment, where chairmen are suddenly listening to their fans, Green and Malcolm Murray should do the same and listen to the 80 per cent of Rangers fans who wish to go to Division Three.

 

?If they listen, then I can foresee a time when fans? organisations will advise their members to renew season tickets, but at a lower rate to reflect the Third Division status.

 

?And once that particular lever is pulled, then we will advise as many fans as possible to renew.?

 

Last week, Rangers moved to allay fears among fans who claimed attempts had been made to stop them cancelling their season tickets.

 

The club response came after supporter Bob Crossan told the Record he was charged ?93 by a company called Fastpay ? despite informing Gers he didn?t want to renew his season book.

 

However, Rangers finance director Brian Stockbridge told us then: ?No season ticket money has been collected as yet from direct debits and none will be until July 6 at the earliest.?

 

Last night, Rangers would not comment on season ticket sales to date. Any fans seeking clarification can call supporter services on 0871 702 1972.

 

 

 

More propaganda aimed at making everyone think that the only choice is between the 1st Division or 3rd Division.

 

The SFL are perfectly entitled to say no to newco playing in any division next season.

[graham]

So with Longmuir admitting that the SFA "have the power to influence" the decision on where newco get put, and Regan threatening that "he cannot allow the third division option to happen" then we know exactly what is going to happen to newco already... Why on earth would the SFL clubs risk the wrath of almost all supporters in Scotland by voting them in to the first division? Surely it is better to let Regan and the SFA wield the axe? I hope they vote no, I want it to be abundantly clear who pulls the strings and moves the goal posts on this one, it is better that the ******* who plunges the knife in to Scottish Football's back, be Clearly seen by everyone involved, then he leaves a legacy and becomes an easier focal point for the anger, outrage and frustration of those who are dead against his cheating, rather than use all the SFL clubs as his human shield.

 

The SFL must vote no and force Regan to make good his threat.

Excactly! This is what must happen 100%! Sfl chairman dont have to be the fall guys they just have to do the correct thing and follow the rules!

[Socrates]

More propaganda aimed at making everyone think that the only choice is between the 1st Division or 3rd Division.

 

The SFL are perfectly entitled to say no to newco playing in any division next season.

They are entitled to do so, but it's pretty much only going to happen if someone has photographic evidence of Green and McCoist indulging in an orgy with all the chairmen's wives.

[I P Knightley]

Green would be hunted down forever he said

 

I suspect green said something (was going to say semi sensible but as he sounds like a mongofied Mick McCarthy that may not have been possible) and Brown, being more mongofied completely misunderstood him.

 

A bit like the time James Sandison called rangers fans fickle on air and the boy at the end of the phone erupted screaming, hear that he's calling us thickos!!!!

 

 

Green probably said something that Brown didn't understand and the only reason he didn't repeat it was that he had to go away and look up the big words in a dictionary.

 

 

I appreciate it's probably already been done on this thread but I'm hopeless at using the search facility...

 

If a person - let's call him Mr Orange - wished to start up a new football club and join the Scottish league what would be the steps needed to be taken?

 

Step 1 - form a company

Step 2 - create a football team

Step 3 - find league to play in

Step 4 - apply for SFA membership

Step 5 - have 3 years' worth of (properly) audited accounts

Step 6 - apply to join SFL (when there becomes a vacancy?)

Step 7 - start in SFL 3 (as every other new club has done)

 

Any football admin types please pick holes in that and put it in the correct order.

 

Ta.

 

Let me get this for you, Boof:

 

Step 1 - form a company

Step 2 - Parachute straight into SPL

Step 3 - create about 85% of a football team

Step 4 - Discover that it's not possible to parachute into the SPL

Step 5 - Parachute into SFL1

Step 6 - add players to your team but only those who'll play at SFL1 or above

Step 7 - apply for SFA membership

Step 8 - Discover that SFL1 is not an option

Step 9 - Parachute into SFL3

Step 10 - Recruit players for a team to replace those who've gone on a free to Falkirk, Forfar Athletic and Carlisle United where the pay, conditions and opportunities are better

Step 11 - Find a new owner for your company; the last one walked away somewhere near Step 8

Step 12 - wait 3 years

Step 13 - have 3 years' worth of (properly) audited accounts

Step 14 - ratify the SFA membership you were given back at Step 7 on a nod, a wink and a handshake

 

 

I think that's what's in the Hampden Handbook for New Clubs (that used to be Rangers)

[I P Knightley]

Rangers in crisis: Charles Green faces ?15m black hole after just 250 season tickets are sold

 

 

The Ibrox club are believed to have sold just 250 ? a sharp contrast from last season?s near 40,000 sales.

 

 

 

 

That piece of writing tickled me.

 

"a sharp contrast " - y'don't say!

[The Gasman]

Cheers Gasman.

 

I think I'm approaching clarity...

 

So, once Mr Orange's team have been playing in the amateurs for 3 years (and therefore have 3 years' worth of accounts) then, and ONLY then - if we're going to follow SFA (or SFL?) rules - they may apply to join the SFL?

 

Three years of audited accounts are a requirement of SFA senior membership, which would be required to play in the SPL or the SFL.

 

Which order you "join" (SFA then League, or, League then SFA) is, IMO a bit if a red herring as, at the end of the day, you need both.

 

The main question here is whether the rules will be applied, or some dodgy deal will be done to try to "fastrack" Servco5088 into the Senior level (SPL or SFL) of Scottish football....

[gnasher75]

Three years of audited accounts are a requirement of SFA senior membership, which would be required to play in the SPL or the SFL.

 

Which order you "join" (SFA then League, or, League then SFA) is, IMO a bit if a red herring as, at the end of the day, you need both.

 

The main question here is whether the rules will be applied, or some dodgy deal will be done to try to "fastrack" Servco5088 into the Senior level (SPL or SFL) of Scottish football....

 

 

You're telling Mr Orange that which order he joins is a red herring??

[Munch]

This is what should happen to newco cheats.

 

1. Start next season in division 3.

2. a 10 point points deduction.

3. Transfer embargo for 12 months.

[tartofmidlothian]

As posted previously he is keeping that in his sock drawer along with the list of his consortium members.

 

To be fair though, if I was looking for someone to front my consortium that was an ex player, Brown wouldn't even enter my thinking, one can only imagine that people like Scott Nisbet & Stuart Munro were unavailable.

 

No, it's now known what Green said to Brown. Posts 102, 105, 113...

 

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=230230&st=100

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

The attitude towards Green makes me laugh. He's clearly a clown and way out of his depth but if Walter Smith was sat where he's sat, doing exactly what he's doing, the Rangers supporters would be 100 per cent supportive.

 

Thick *****

[The Gasman]

You're telling Mr Orange that which order he joins is a red herring??

 

Just so Mr Green, Mr Whyte, and Mr Brown understand.....

[FarmerTweedy]

I was sent this by a united fan earlier on today. Dont know if a lot of his arguments stand up (maybe someone more clued up than me can offer an opinion) but could maybe prevent anymore pressure being put on the SFL teams?

 

 

 

SFA And SPL Face Legal Problems

 

New Aberdeen Mad contributor afc_1983 believes the SPL and SFA must ensure their rule-bending is for sporting reasons and not economic ones - or they could be in legal hot water.

 

Football clubs in Scotland may be able to challenge whether plans to shut them out of a new league structure break competition law.

 

Well, that's my view anyway. And it's based on my interpretation of a recent ruling involving an English rugby side in a dispute with the Rugby Football Union (RFU).

 

I'm no lawyer, but for reasons I won't bore you with I recently had cause to read the judgment of the RFU appeals panel in the case of whether London Welsh Rugby Football Club should gain promotion to the English Premiership. It has been widely covered in the media since.

 

In the case London Welsh successfully argued that a rule of competition preventing them from being promoted -essentially that they did not have 'primacy of tenure' over the stadium in which they propose to play home matches next season - was anti-competitive under EU and UK competition laws.

 

So what, you may ask. Well the panel's findings were based on the fact that the primacy of tenure rule was drafted for at least partly economic reasons - to enable the league to meet its contractual obligations with broadcasters in allowing them to readily pick and choose the day and time of matches. Clubs, in essence, had to have primacy of tenure at stadiums so they could flexibly comply with the weird and wonderful kick-off times that league bodies and TV companies prescribe.

 

Other existing Premiership clubs though did not have to comply with the rule - they were exempt - and so the appeals panel essentially ruled that it was unjustifiable to prevent London Welsh from going up.

 

What you may not know is that sports governing bodies do have a right to create rules that are, by their nature, anti-competitive. However, such rules can only be justified for sporting reasons - in the London Welsh case the RFU had claimed that the 'primacy of tenure' rules were aimed at ensuring league fixtures could be organised, ensuring further benefits for the sport and fans. It said any commercial gains around the rule being used to meet broadcasting commitments also served a legitimate sporting reason too since those broadcast deals indirectly benefited the sport of rugby through commercial investment in the sport.

 

What has this got to do with Scottish football then?

 

Well, it has been reported that some clubs have threatened to form an SPL2 and exclude clubs from entering if they fail to vote Rangers newco straight into Division One. They are worried about the commercial pressures they face without cash generated through association with Rangers, whether from TV deals or money through the turnstiles.

 

As the London Welsh case has shown though, only genuine sporting reasons can be relied upon as a legitimate reason for bending competition law.

 

As way of reference, competition law in the UK generally prohibits any "agreements between undertakings, decisions by associations of undertakings or concerted practices which ? (a) may affect trade within the United Kingdom, and ( have as their object or effect the prevention, restriction or distortion of competition within the United Kingdom".

 

The rules around newcos in Scottish football are clear. SFL clubs should not be pressured into voting in favour of newco Rangers being parachuted into Div One because of threats of restrictive agreements being forged behind the scenes. The analogy of London Welsh's case shows that anti-competitive agreements in sport can be challenged and defeated, especially ones built purely on economic interests, and bully-boy authorities and clubs should be mindful of imposing those kind of restrictions as a result.

 

I find this quite interesting. It's crossed my mind in the last few days whether the plan by the SPL and SFA to pay the SFL ?1m if they put newco in the 1st division might be against either competition laws or the new anti-bribery laws that have recently come into force. I have wondered whether the ?1m inducement from the SPL to place newco ahead of other clubs in the league structure may represent an inducement, or bribe, to SFL clubs to discriminate against other SFL clubs in favour of newco for a financial payment. Not sure whether it would fall foul of the law anywhere or not, but wouldn't be at all surprised if it did!

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

Excactly! This is what must happen 100%! Sfl chairman dont have to be the fall guys they just have to do the correct thing and follow the rules!

 

Regan needs to be seen to be one who breaks the rules and deliver's the head-shot. The SFL clubs are being put in a horrible position but I hope their nerve holds and they are not forced to take the flak for that cowardly little weasel Regan.

 

Do your own dirty work Regan and live or die (career-wise obviously) by the consequences of your actions.

[The Gasman]

I find this quite interesting. It's crossed my mind in the last few days whether the plan by the SPL and SFA to pay the SFL ?1m if they put newco in the 1st division might be against either competition laws or the new anti-bribery laws that have recently come into force. I have wondered whether the ?1m inducement from the SPL to place newco ahead of other clubs in the league structure may represent an inducement, or bribe, to SFL clubs to discriminate against other SFL clubs in favour of newco for a financial payment. Not sure whether it would fall foul of the law anywhere or not, but wouldn't be at all surprised if it did!

 

You may well be right about it falling foul of the new legislation, but I'm even more convinced that it's in breech of UEFA's rules and articles of association, as was posted on here yesterday.

[Boab Mugabe]

Charles Green's Powerpoint presentation is a masterpiece!

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9379754/Rangers-in-crisis-Friday-the-13th-could-be-particularly-unlucky-for-Ibrox-newco.html

 

:rofl:

[papa jambo]

http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/the-sfaspl-tv-myth-how-we-compare-to-europe/

 

The above link to St jhonstone blog looks at T.V. Deals in other countrys, some interesting facts.

 

The only thing is he does not compare populations, and this must affect the value of T.V. Deals.

[Mr. T]

Charles Green's Powerpoint presentation is a masterpiece!

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9379754/Rangers-in-crisis-Friday-the-13th-could-be-particularly-unlucky-for-Ibrox-newco.html

 

:rofl:

 

Interesting background... Why is there fire coming out of a LION's mouth?

[brunoatemyhamster]

SOMEBODY'S LYING. REMEMBER "BOMBER" SAID HE HAD THE MINUTE'S FROM THE SFL MEETING ON CLYDE THE OTHER NIGHT!

 

 

 

Dear Brunoatemyhamster

 

No official minutes are released by the SFL or ever have been . What you are referring to are a participants personal notes which he chose to circulate after the meeting . Whatever Mr Brown thought he had , and then interpreted , they certainly were not minutes of the meeting .

I trust this helps .

Regards

David

 

David Longmuir

Chief Executive,

The Scottish Football League,

Hampden Park,

Glasgow.

G42 9EB.

Tel: 0141 620 4160

Fax:0141 620 4161

[email protected]

 

 

 

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bomber on clyde

 

BOMBER WASN'T AT THE MEETING. CORRECT OR NOT?

Edited July 6, 2012 by brunoatemyhamster

[kingantti1874]

Charles Green's Powerpoint presentation is a masterpiece!

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9379754/Rangers-in-crisis-Friday-the-13th-could-be-particularly-unlucky-for-Ibrox-newco.html

 

:rofl:

 

holy shit, the wee Diddy clubs were stapled and celtic was Spiral bound and Page 5 wt actual f

[John Montgomery]

Article in Daily Telegraph

 

"Sky subscribers pay price for Premier League rights deal

 

By Matt ScottLast Updated: 6:48AM BST 06/07/2012

 

Armchair football fans are discovering this week that they must pay extra for Sky?s decision to give the Premier League ?760million a year for its rights. Sky is in the process of sending letters and emails to subscribers informing them of its new pricing policy.

 

The email, undersigned by Sky?s managing director, Stephen van Rooyen, reads: ?After last year?s price freeze, we finally have to change some of our prices. What?s behind the change? We?ve been investing heavily in channels, programmes, technology and services to give you the very best entertainment.?

 

It is clear from how the price rise will affect viewers that it is Sky?s successful Premier League-rights bid last month that has driven the changes.

 

While subscribers to Sky Movies will see no change to their monthly subscription fees, those with a ?21.50-a-month Sky Entertainment package and with a ?9-a-month ESPN subscription face paying an extra ?2.50 a month. That equates to an 8.2 per cent hike on last season"

 

I have not yet had a reply from Jeremy Darroch of Sky to my e mail re SPL contract but this is pushing me even closer to cancelling my subscription. Even although there is no cable in Musselburgh the choice is bigger (and appears is if it is getting even bigger) than when our subscription started twenty year ago.

Edited July 6, 2012 by John Montgomery

[tartofmidlothian]

Charles Green's Powerpoint presentation is a masterpiece!

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9379754/Rangers-in-crisis-Friday-the-13th-could-be-particularly-unlucky-for-Ibrox-newco.html

 

:rofl:

 

:lol:

 

How can Green seriously expect us to believe he wants them to survive after that?

 

Even the font stinks of defeat.

[tartofmidlothian]

SOMEBODY'S LYING. REMEMBER "BOMBER" SAID HE HAD THE MINUTE'S FROM THE SFL MEETING ON CLYDE THE OTHER NIGHT!

 

 

 

Dear Brunoatemyhamster

 

No official minutes are released by the SFL or ever have been . What you are referring to are a participants personal notes which he chose to circulate after the meeting . Whatever Mr Brown thought he had , and then interpreted , they certainly were not minutes of the meeting .

I trust this helps .

Regards

David

 

David Longmuir

Chief Executive,

The Scottish Football League,

Hampden Park,

Glasgow.

G42 9EB.

Tel: 0141 620 4160

Fax:0141 620 4161

[email protected]

 

 

 

The information in this message is confidential information and may also be

legally privileged. It is intended only for the individual or entity named

above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that

any use, review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message, or

any attachments to the message, is strictly prohibited. If you have

received this document in error, please immediately notify us by telephone

and delete the original message. Thank you.

 

bomber on clyde

 

BOMBER WASN'T AT THE MEETING. CORRECT OR NOT?

 

He replied to you?? Excellent work, Bruno

[Rick Grimes]

This is what should happen to newco cheats.

 

1. Start next season in division 3.

2. a 10 point points deduction.

3. Transfer embargo for 12 months.

 

Partially yes , no & yes.

 

They should be invited to apply for Div3 alongsode Spartan, Gala, Cover etc. There's no justification for a 10 point penalty unless they've failed to fully exit administration by the start of the season. As a NewCo, I assume they have already.

 

They should be facing penalties still for taking the SFA to court & for two decades of hidden, dual contracts.

 

Its important to remember that we shouldn't be looking to apply any penalties that we think are justified because its Rangers. We need to give them exactly the same treatment as anyone else would otherwise you're no better than the Rangers fans in terms of bleating.

[jamboinglasgow]

http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/the-sfaspl-tv-myth-how-we-compare-to-europe/

 

The above link to St jhonstone blog looks at T.V. Deals in other countrys, some interesting facts.

 

The only thing is he does not compare populations, and this must affect the value of T.V. Deals.

 

One league and country you can compare is Norway. It has a population of 5 million, same size as Scotland. Scotland is two places above Norway in the UEFA co-efficent for leagues. It has 1 million less people attending games, and yet it has a 56 million euro tv deal per season and Scotland has an 18 million Euro deal per season. Something is wrong there.

[tartofmidlothian]

Charles Green's Powerpoint presentation is a masterpiece!

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9379754/Rangers-in-crisis-Friday-the-13th-could-be-particularly-unlucky-for-Ibrox-newco.html

 

:rofl:

 

Also:

 

?It was also more than unfortunate that they were open at the page which referred to the voluntary transfer embargo when somebody got an alert on their Blackberry to say that Ian Black had announced he would sign for Rangers if they were accepted into the SPL.?

 

Excellent work, Agent Black

[Feeno]

Charles Green's Powerpoint presentation is a masterpiece!

 

http://www.telegraph...brox-newco.html

 

:rofl:

 

 

Thats right up there with Prestige Worldwides Multi media presentation. Wonder if Murray and Green had an accompanying video "Popes and Loans"

[Guest Bilel Mohsni]

Charles Green's Powerpoint presentation is a masterpiece!

 

http://www.telegraph...brox-newco.html

 

:rofl:

 

An SPL chairman who was present at the meeting said last night: ?The brochure was very unimpressive and even more so because the wee diddy clubs got copies that were stapled together, but Celtic?s was spiral bound.

 

?It was also more than unfortunate that they were open at the page which referred to the voluntary transfer embargo when somebody got an alert on their Blackberry to say that Ian Black had announced he would sign for Rangers if they were accepted into the SPL.?

 

 

 

We demand spiral binding!!

[Mr. T]

One league and country you can compare is Norway. It has a population of 5 million, same size as Scotland. Scotland is two places above Norway in the UEFA co-efficent for leagues. It has 1 million less people attending games, and yet it has a 56 million euro tv deal per season and Scotland has an 18 million Euro deal per season. Something is wrong there.

 

Sort of, but the Norwegian economy is a hell of a lot stronger than the british/scottish economy so you would expect that they would get more money from the deal, it won't go as far over there.

[vegas-voss]

So now that they are not getting into the Spl does that mean that they are not going to satisfy the SFA by paying the fine and accepting the transfer embargo and paying all tranfer fees owed?

 

The SFA surely has them by the balls here its not a question of Rangers saying they will pay and accept the embargo it is surely the SFA telling them they will or they wont get a licence.

 

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[jamboinglasgow]

An SPL chairman who was present at the meeting said last night: ?The brochure was very unimpressive and even more so because the wee diddy clubs got copies that were stapled together, but Celtic?s was spiral bound.

 

?It was also more than unfortunate that they were open at the page which referred to the voluntary transfer embargo when somebody got an alert on their Blackberry to say that Ian Black had announced he would sign for Rangers if they were accepted into the SPL.?

 

 

 

We demand spiral binding!!

 

It sounds more like it was a presentation in a sitcom where everything goes wrong for the main character than real life.

 

When that blackberry alert went off I wish this sound effect played

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3LV_l2oRMs

[kingantti1874]

Sort of, but the Norwegian economy is a hell of a lot stronger than the british/scottish economy so you would expect that they would get more money from the deal, it won't go as far over there.

 

strength of the economy is irrelevant... sky tv generate ?400m profit from 625000 subscriptions.. I. e they are taking the utter pish and Scottish fans should pull the plug

[Kalamazoo Jambo]

An SPL chairman who was present at the meeting said last night: ?The brochure was very unimpressive and even more so because the wee diddy clubs got copies that were stapled together, but Celtic?s was spiral bound.

 

?It was also more than unfortunate that they were open at the page which referred to the voluntary transfer embargo when somebody got an alert on their Blackberry to say that Ian Black had announced he would sign for Rangers if they were accepted into the SPL.?

 

 

 

We demand spiral binding!!

 

Magnificent stuff

 

Looks like newco and Celtic have already agreed to binding contracts.

[brunoatemyhamster]

He replied to you?? Excellent work, Bruno

 

Thanks. Needing Certain info confirmed though to keep it going.

 

 

Was Bomber at the meeting? Bomber say's no Longmuir says Yes.

 

 

Longmuir is telling me i am not allowed to see the "participant's personal notes" . If Bomber was there,WHY? If Bomber wasn't there WHY HAS HE GOT THEM AND WHO GAVE HIM TO HIM ?

 

 

Bomber on Clyde

Edited July 6, 2012 by brunoatemyhamster