German Football Infrastructure

[Lovecraft]

Does somebody have the link to the report on the German Football Infrastructure that was on here? I have a had a look through the site, but can't see it.

 

Had a quick browse online, but can't actually find the one that was posted on here.

[jamboinglasgow]

Are you meaning the one I posted a week or two ago?

 

This one?

 

http://sliderulepass.net/bundesliga-youth-revolution/

[Lovecraft]

Are you meaning the one I posted a week or two ago?

 

This one?

 

http://sliderulepass.net/bundesliga-youth-revolution/

 

No, I found that one thanks.

 

It was a longer one about more details of what the clubs need to do.

 

How many German players must be on the bench/in squad etc...

[jamboinglasgow]

No, I found that one thanks.

 

It was a longer one about more details of what the clubs need to do.

 

How many German players must be on the bench/in squad etc...

 

Sounds an interesting article, is it possible to post the link up as I would like to read it myself.

[super_vlad]

Talking about German football and i was having a wee look on twitter today and came across this;

 

 

40 members of FSV Zwickau ultra group Red Kaos got stadium bans after pitch invasion + cancellation at last match at their old stadium.....info + pics here: http://www.redkaos.de/030611.htm . This is how they've been watching their team since:

Home against Lok Leipzig in the cup (http://www.redkaos.de/1112/fsvlok02.jpg) Home derby vs. Aue II (http://www.redkaos.de/1112/z201.jpg)

and my favourite: Away at FC. Gera (http://www.redkaos.de/1112/geraz01.jpg). Match report says "At the start of the second half, the police accompanied to.....Osterstein Castle where we could see some parts of the pitch and celebrate our 5-1 victory." Haha

Talk about hardcore fans!

[super_vlad]

The game against Dresden-Nord was underspecial sign. It should be the last in our West Saxony stadium, in our block.14 years was the E-block of our home. In these 14 years, this sector is averitable institution of Zwickau football has developed. Our hearts glued tothat spot. There we have witnessed all the highs and lows, the journey of ourparticipating actively and FSV Zwickau, where the football is a unique face. Sowe said goodbye to this place on the eve of the game with a major celebrationin West Saxony Stadium. With the unnecessary but desired by the Bureauinitially closed on the last Sunday a sad conclusion to the story of the WestSaxons stadium was set.

 

 

 

The facts.

 

 

 

80 Fans and Ultras partied until the weehours, some even camped out in the port. Nothing really special. The action wascoordinated with the Bureau of FSV and is also otherwise represents nothingunusual, since it is now time is our home, we regularly go on and off. TheBureau itself stayed for some time at our ceremony, just as the clerk's officelooked over briefly, but only warned us that music is a little quieter andprovide otherwise had no reason to complain. On Sunday morning the leaders of theassociation entered the turf of the stadium. The state of the block and thebeginning Hintertorbereiches was certainly not a desirable state, but was notabove the stadium on the West Saxons usual degree of pollution, which alwaysprevails. From our side, the instructions were obeyed, and as requestedeliminate all waste. These were mainly empty beer cans, glass bottles becauseit was waived during the celebration complete. In the meantime, security chiefRene judge gave the green light on the condition of the block beneath the coverstored items (boxes, speaker) with a tarp. Even after we came within a fewminutes. So the thing was done by and for us from the world. Up to this point aprocess, especially in relation to the short lines is nothing special and theother ruling dealing with each other aptly describes. Maybe it was a mistakefrom both sides no fixed time frame for the evacuation of the area have put on.But this circumstance we would certainly in the next week at a meeting in theoffice and cleaned out of the world.

 

 

 

The police then asked us to leave thestadium and checked all the items located in a block such as backpacks andsleeping bags just 2-3. This actually a balaclava and empty beer bottles thatwere stored in a garbage bag was found. Of course, this fact was not optimaland should have been done previously by us from the world, yet this is also nota big deal as far dar. The block was completely controlled by and clean. Anyother claims are a lie dar. Also all assumptions that were stored in thebackpacks Pyroartikel. If we really want to do the experiment, namely tosmuggle items not allowed into the stadium, we would probably store hardly beentwo hours earlier in a backpack and put them orphaned in a block. Equallyabsurd to claim that the glass bottles should be used as missiles. How muchfilth, iron bars, wooden planks on rocks to be a handy place near our block?When and how often in recent years, such objects were flying onto the field? Weremember it was the very last game in our West Saxony Stadium. To find a gamewith no potential for vulgarity or unnecessary stress, but worthy of us just tosay goodbye to our block and the stadium.

 

 

 

But on the contrary began to bubble, therumor mill, it was said among players that the police had found pyrotechnicsand the game hung in the balance, but this was never the case. Next, wereceived via telephone by employees of the fan projects Michael Voigt, theinformation that board member Gerhard Neef said that the E-block remainsclosed. We then understand the world anymore and took the short routes in theclub and told Neef, that this measure is the highest level of repression thatwe are robbed at a high point of our lives and in this circumstance, thepreviously successful cooperation on our part in question must be asked. Mr.Neef was not one of these circumstances and told us that it is not completelytouching. Neef also not used the short trip on the member of our group and eventhen liges committee member Lange, but deliberately chose alone.

 

The day and our special adoption, with someelaborate optical planned actions was thus went for us and the emotions ranhigh. Nor does the fact nothing more that Judge Thomas Fanprojektvorstand us afew minutes before kick-off a bid submitted to the police after us with 10people still would be masters of our block layers, although this had yet beencompletely cleaned and inspected. A farce. The drops were sucked. We waited atfirst with about 100 people outside the stadium entrance, before we decided to fightfor our block. Our route led us therefore first in the direction of E-block,which we reached even before we were driven there by use of force by police.

 

In our response we acted deliberately notmasked and WITHOUT any violence. We did not riot. We just wanted our e-block.The reporting in this regard is just completely absurd. There was no damage andwe went to anybody. Having voluntarily left the field, the game could becontinued without difficulty. The terms "rampage", "riots"or "chaotic" go completely beyond reality. We could no longertolerate that something will come to us with such elemental feet. We havedemonstrated that we can not just take our personal feelings out of our block,and this game. We have demonstrated what it all means for us. This deliberatelylimits have been exceeded. With a radicalism that is inherent in us. Exactlythe same radical, without which we could over a year ago and never save our FSVZwickau can push.

 

It has robbed us of THE game. The game, forwhich we ourselves have advertised heavily in cooperation with the Bureau andmade sure that nearly 1,500 people ever found their way into the Geinitzstra?e.The game we wanted to do together to a big event. We wanted to adopt ourwestern Saxony Stadium due. There were and are the moments that make up thecommunity life and in our Fandasein FSV Zwickau. This would be for us also beena great moment.

 

 

 

We are also conscious that a storm takesplace financial penalties for our club to be. This is in relation to thedisproportionality that is to be blamed for the Bureau of our FSV, almostmarginal. The team will therefore not play better or worse, and the club willnot go under it also, if only because it is just a fan scene. Fans and Ultras,an active fan scene comes at a price even money. Fans are not just there forthem to squeeze every last cent to take them at work in the unpleasant duty,and taking only the pleasant sun financial pages. As with everything there ishere a second side of the coin, and as long as the fan culture organizations,including pyrotechnics, sanction those responsible will have to accept it. Ahealthy mind and the critical slope attached to civil disobedience is inherentin every society, and certainly every critical fan scene. FSV Zwickau, as withany other club. In this breath, we also like to thank the audience for much ofthe stadium have placed in the solidarity and understanding.

 

 

 

To critically examine the role of the 95police officers employed. Why even be in use for an unspectacular fifth leaguegame with 5 guest fans nearly 100 officers have to open up, not us. Could solvethese problems, at least not on the contrary, were apparently made aware ofwhat provocation and aggravating the tense situation in the run. It may bequestioned whether there would be no police not become a normal and quietrunning game. The huge police presence attracts unfortunately like a threadthrough the last game days. Monstrous levies, despite only 474 payingspectators against VfL Halle 96 are analogous to the ever-growing obsessionwith security of all officials. The fear of the use of pyrotechnics or otherincidents paralyzes the obvious common sense. Although for months, an intensivedialogue between all groups, institutions and individual decision-makers in theassociation takes place, will continue to rigorously curtailed freedom. This isagain completely contrary to the current number of visitors in West SaxonyStadium. Although usually only get 200-300 more viewers than the circledivision club around the corner, safety standards are being driven, areabsolutely unfounded. An encounter on an equal footing, namely characterized byrespect and trust is therefore de facto no longer applies. On the contrary,trust us is part of the Bureau met with only when we have a use for them.Otherwise (see the aforementioned Sunday), is generally condemned or made anydirect accusations.

 

 

 

In the aftermath, we are extremelydisappointed about all the statements were made. Of course, leaders can notapprove a place storm. But statements about "so-called fans" or"a germ from which the FSV is infected for a long time" cast doubt oncommon sense. Because these passages are from the same folks who wanted us justdays before honey to lubricate the mouth, so we bring the club money. "We needpeople to tackle, not to know everything better," Neef campaigned for theremoval of the steel pipe stands in the Soyuz. With our help, should the city ?50,000 funds through donations returns of the companies involved inrestructuring the FSV to come good. Of course we find this action properly forthe club. It is questionable whether these are entitled to, misappropriation ofpublic funds to cross-border activities, people involved to have to enlightenus about morals, ethics and law.

 

 

 

Significantly, Neef also just asked us inthe past, always looking for an honest conversation, if we have to criticizesomething - before we break something over my knee. Unfortunately he has justbroken that rule. We have always taken in the last months of consideration forthe feelings have always kept quiet for the feet, even in decisions andstatements, the Bureau of us lay heavy on my stomach and usually a storm ofindignation would have to entail. We have often waived pyrotechnics and wetried to empathize with the position of decision makers. We have always takento heart these rules.

 

 

 

It's a shame to have to bear now as ourefforts to the association to stand aside and grab at every opportunity underthe arms are now null and void overnight. We could list page after page, what aheart blood flows for 14 years at the club, which tasks are performed by us,but that would not our way, we do not want any hypocritical opportunists ofgratitude. But we finally want respect. Respect for what we are who we are andwhat we give to our club.

 

 

 

Sorry we do speak, urging that the eventsof Sunday, the real shame of the association in the background: the sportingfailure. Since the weakest league in years, playing our own, with major playersstudded team without passion for the golden pineapple. No other fact, acts asfatal to the external representation of the association as this misery. Theteam played the club the stands empty and thus the cash register. In spite ofall our block were always together 100 fans and ultras, who stood behind theirclub and also took into consideration, in terms of critiquing the publicgrievances.

 

 

 

An absurdity, that representatives of theteam as captain Maik Baumann now we want to play as a moral crusader against.We can not and do not take it seriously. As in all previous years, we ultrasand the rest of organized fan groups will form the backbone of the club, nomatter what players or managers control the fate.

 

 

 

The successes achieved in a year of theassociation in the structure, the young and the Financial without our activeinvolvement would not exist, the FSV would no longer exist. We have long beenactive members of the association, and therefore also in the future at hisside. Despite all the warning voices of do-gooders. We will go the way of theultras in the old style. We are committed to further and more intense for theclub, because: The FSV is our life!