Denis Prychynenko

[pressgang22]

Does anyone have any news on Prychynenko?

A lot of posters on here had hoped he would be pushing for a starting place in the midfield this season.

Is he injured? Does Paulo Sergio not rate him?

 

So, Anyone have any updates on our dead ball specialist?

 

Cheers!

[jambonian]

Hope i'm wrong but in recent years we've heard about these "promising players" that rarely get a chance to prove themselves, i see similar happening with Prychyenko and Jason Holt. Thought Mulrooney looked promising in that one game at Tannadice but alas.. never quoted again, even though he was one of the best players on the pitch that day.

[Gregory House M.D.]

Hope i'm wrong but in recent years we've heard about these "promising players" that rarely get a chance to prove themselves, i see similar happening with Prychyenko and Jason Holt. Thought Mulrooney looked promising in that one game at Tannadice but alas.. never quoted again, even though he was one of the best players on the pitch that day.

Holt? :goodone: Give the boy a chance to turn 19 eh?

[eddiepolio]

Holt? :goodone: Give the boy a chance to turn 19 eh?

 

Trolling surely?

[I.J]

Who is it that Mulrooney is playing for these days?

 

I'm assuming that as he was by far and away the greatest product of our youth system in the history of the world.......ever, that he's wound up at one of the big guns. Arsenal, United, Spurs.

 

Couldn't get a contract at Brechin, you say? Clubless, you say?

 

Oh.

[Gregory House M.D.]

Trolling surely?

Trolling how? The laddies not even 19 yet and has just been called the best youth player to come through Hearts' academy. Yet Jambonian fears he'll be like many of the young talents who rarely get a chance.

 

If anyones trolling, it's him.

[Das Root]

Trolling how? The laddies not even 19 yet and has just been called the best youth player to come through Hearts' academy. Yet Jambonian fears he'll be like many of the young talents who rarely get a chance.

 

If anyones trolling, it's him.

 

 

Only God can judge you.

[Chris Benoit]

Brilliant, because some young lad looked good in one game and didn't make it every youngster coming through has no chance.

 

How about we see how they get on if and when they get a chance and take it from there

[Ray Winstone]

Hope i'm wrong but in recent years we've heard about these "promising players" that rarely get a chance to prove themselves, i see similar happening with Prychyenko and Jason Holt. Thought Mulrooney looked promising in that one game at Tannadice but alas.. never quoted again, even though he was one of the best players on the pitch that day.

 

 

I think John Murray rates Holt higher than he did Wallace or Berra at his age...

[jambonian]

I think John Murray rates Holt higher than he did Wallace or Berra at his age...

That's good news, let's hope he gets a chance then. We always hear about these promising youngsters but rarely do they get a chance to prove themselves. Mulrooney for example came in at the last minute and did well but although you can't judge in one game he should maybe have had more matchtime to really see what he could do.

Same happened a few years back with Copil and Kostadinov (i think his name was), promised much but never given a chance, fingers crossed then for Holt and Prychyenko.

[jamboinglasgow]

I asked this same question on a Under 19 thread a few days ago, a poster who speaks to some of the young players said that he has been in a few first team squads for games but just missed out on the matchday squad and that the poster believes Sergio is a fan so it just a case of bidding his time.

[eddiepolio]

Trolling how? The laddies not even 19 yet and has just been called the best youth player to come through Hearts' academy. Yet Jambonian fears he'll be like many of the young talents who rarely get a chance.

 

If anyones trolling, it's him.

 

Because the the "the good one mate" was totally unnecessary and lacked respect to the other posters viewpoint.

[pressgang22]

I asked this same question on a Under 19 thread a few days ago, a poster who speaks to some of the young players said that he has been in a few first team squads for games but just missed out on the matchday squad and that the poster believes Sergio is a fan so it just a case of bidding his time.

 

 

Thanks for that buddy

[Stanley_]

That's good news, let's hope he gets a chance then. We always hear about these promising youngsters but rarely do they get a chance to prove themselves. Mulrooney for example came in at the last minute and did well but although you can't judge in one game he should maybe have had more matchtime to really see what he could do.

Same happened a few years back with Copil and Kostadinov (i think his name was), promised much but never given a chance, fingers crossed then for Holt and Prychyenko.

 

I don't remember Mulrooney ever being described as one of the most promising youngsters at Hearts.

 

Kostadinov and Copil were only hyped up because of the media; not because of their performances for the U19s. Again, I don't remember anyone on here who goes to the U19s games saying that they were the most promising youngsters at the time.

[Gregory House M.D.]

Because the the "the good one mate" was totally unnecessary and lacked respect to the other posters viewpoint.

The viewpoint was completely unfounded. Where did these "talented youngsters who rarely got a chance" go?

 

Why would I "respect a viewpoint" which is factually wrong? No "talented youngster that rarely got a chance" made it anywhere near the level of Hearts. Proving they weren't that talented at all.

 

Holt has won POTY last season at U19's, is called Iniesta by his team-mates and was just described as the best youth player to come through the academy by Darren Murray. More highly rated than Gordon, Berra, Wallace, Driver, Templeton, Novikovas etc. And you want me to respect a viewpoint that compared him to Paul Mulrooney?

[eddiepolio]

The viewpoint was completely unfounded. Where did these "talented youngsters who rarely got a chance" go?

 

Why would I "respect a viewpoint" which is factually wrong? No "talented youngster that rarely got a chance" made it anywhere near the level of Hearts. Proving they weren't that talented at all.

 

Holt has won POTY last season at U19's, is called Iniesta by his team-mates and was just described as the best youth player to come through the academy by Darren Murray. More highly rated than Gordon, Berra, Wallace, Driver, Templeton, Novikovas etc. And you want me to respect a viewpoint that compared him to Paul Mulrooney?

 

To me the poster was clearly referring to copil and kostadinov (sp) as the "wonderkids" who got nowhere near the first team. And maybe even robbie horn........although I'm guessing you are too young to remember him?

[Gregory House M.D.]

To me the poster was clearly referring to copil and kostadinov (sp) as the "wonderkids" who got nowhere near the first team. And maybe even robbie horn........although I'm guessing you are too young to remember him?

 

Don't remember either being built-up like Holt though or winning league POTY awards. Never heard of Horn TBH.

 

If Holt doesn't make it, I'll know he wasn't good enough in the end. Can't see that happening though.

 

P.s There's not a mention of Copil or Kostadinov in the post I objected to.

[Saint Jambo]

Saw Prychynenko play in the pre-season friendly at Cowdenbeath. Given all the hype, I was disappointed that the game passed him by and he didn't look close to first team level yet. Not writing him off after one game, but equally happy to wait on the professional staff who see him training and playing regularlly to judge when he is ready to get a game for the first team.

 

We have greater strength in depth than we have in the past so it isn't surprising that youngsters find it hard to get a game. When we can have a subs bench with Templeton, Skacel, Novikovas and Robinson on the bench the youngsters are going to have to work very hard to get a game.

 

Also bare in mind that Sergio is trying to introduce a new style of play at the moment, so may prefer to get that bedded in before throwing youngsters with no experience into the mix.

 

Wasn't overwhelmed by the team selection or the performance on Saturday, but happy to givew it time.

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

Curse the abuse rule on threads like this. I'm trying really hard to not type '~~~~~'.

[Meadows]

I don't remember Mulrooney ever being described as one of the most promising youngsters at Hearts.

 

Kostadinov and Copil were only hyped up because of the media; not because of their performances for the U19s. Again, I don't remember anyone on here who goes to the U19s games saying that they were the most promising youngsters at the time.

 

copil was hyped because celtic were after him, Kostadinov was hyped (still is) by his brother.

[eddiepolio]

copil was hyped because celtic were after him, Kostadinov was hyped (still is) by his brother.

 

So where jamboian said "Hope i'm wrong but in recent years we've heard about these "promising players" that rarely get a chance to prove themselves" is that not a valid statement? And that's what annoyed me with hgw's unnecessary mocking..........

[Gregory House M.D.]

So where jamboian said "Hope i'm wrong but in recent years we've heard about these "promising players" that rarely get a chance to prove themselves" is that not a valid statement? And that's what annoyed me with hgw's unnecessary mocking..........

He never mentioned Copil or Kostadinov though. He mentioned Mulrooney.

[eddiepolio]

He never mentioned Copil or Kostadinov though. He mentioned Mulrooney.

 

Come on your being a wee bit silly now. It was in a new sentence that he mentioned mulrooney. Hopefully jamboian will come back on to clarify what he meant.

[Floyd]

Come on your being a wee bit silly now. It was in a new sentence that he mentioned mulrooney. Hopefully jamboian will come back on to clarify what he meant.

 

HGW being silly & pedantic? Surely not!

[Tommy Wiseau]

Robbie Horn used to get picked last in lunchtime games at school he was that bad, my mate from uni once told me.

 

The folk in his year (can't remember which school, but my mate was from Dalkeith so I would imagine Dalkeith High?) were literally flabbergasted when he rocked in one day telling them about getting a contract at Hearts.

[jambonian]

Come on your being a wee bit silly now. It was in a new sentence that he mentioned mulrooney. Hopefully jamboian will come back on to clarify what he meant.

Ok, a few things.... firstly, regarding Copil, Copil was at one point in the top 50 best up-and-coming youngsters clubs around Europe wanted to sign, i remember reading that some big, big clubs were after him.

Kostadinov was very highly regarded by the coaching staff at the time and expected him to be a big player for us in the future and for his country.

Mulrooney was almost ready for 1st team football according to the management and coaches and they were looking at him to be an influential player in the coming seasons to replace Michael Stewart eventually. All i meant was (in my first post on this thread) Mulrooney played from the start at Tannadice after Stewart got injured in the warm-up and, if memory serves me right, looked as capable as anyone else on the pitch that day and i'm sure he got a rousing reception from the Hearts fans when he was subbed in the second half. Folk were talking about him and we all hoped he'd have a promising carreer at Hearts, alas, not to be.

Finally, we all hope Prychenko and Holt and whoever else can be top players for us in the future and again all i said was that I HOPE they're not the latest ones in recent years who've had good feedback yet don't get their chance to prove themselves and that i could possibly see the same scenario as before with aforementioned names.

Finally, finally, i try not to reply that often these days to HGW, he's someone you can't really have a decent bit of banter with on KB, he prefers to look for one negative point in anyones post rather than debating the entire one he reads, looking to start arguements with folk etc, i disagree with lots of folk's points on here, the ones that can't take the maroon-tinted specs off and see things from a different perspective but that's life.

[amadjambo]

I've only seen Prychynenko as a sub away to Killie. Unusually i was there early and saw the warm up for a change. Geanted, Very little to go on, but did notice during shootie practice that he strikes the ball beautifully, and as well as, if not better than the rest. Also, he is a very big laddie. Would be good to hear from those who have seen him in action about what kind of player he is, is he pacey, etc.

[kamac1]

Does anyone have any news on Prychynenko?

A lot of posters on here had hoped he would be pushing for a starting place in the midfield this season.

Is he injured? Does Paulo Sergio not rate him?

 

So, Anyone have any updates on our dead ball specialist?

 

Cheers!

he has been training with the first team squad since August

[jambo in iraq]

Robbie Horn used to get picked last in lunchtime games at school he was that bad, my mate from uni once told me.

 

The folk in his year (can't remember which school, but my mate was from Dalkeith so I would imagine Dalkeith High?) were literally flabbergasted when he rocked in one day telling them about getting a contract at Hearts.

 

whats more he played for scotland u21 ahead of paul ritchie.

 

Regarding the original point, why is there all this negativity. Our youth system is way better than most... just look at the first team.... mcdonald, temps, driver, smith, webster(sort of), mcgowan to name but a few!

[jbee647]

Robbie Horn used to get picked last in lunchtime games at school he was that bad, my mate from uni once told me.

 

The folk in his year (can't remember which school, but my mate was from Dalkeith so I would imagine Dalkeith High?) were literally flabbergasted when he rocked in one day telling them about getting a contract at Hearts.

This is obviously nonsense or your mates were stupid or just plain jealous, if Robbie Horn was as bad as they say, he would never have captained Hearts reserves to a league title in 1997, played for the first team, called into the Scotland u21 squad as well as various under age national squads, as well as playing for many years at a professional level with Forfar and Berwick.

I believe Robbie is still involved with football as manager at East of Scotland club Vale of Leithen.

So it looks like your mate from uni got there with embassy coupons , Or as I suspect he's just a bit of a blether.

[Nookie Bear]

This is obviously nonsense or your mates were stupid or just plain jealous, if Robbie Horn was as bad as they say, he would never have captained Hearts reserves to a league title in 1997, played for the first team, called into the Scotland u21 squad as well as various under age national squads, as well as playing for many years at a professional level with Forfar and Berwick.

I believe Robbie is still involved with football as manager at East of Scotland club Vale of Leithen.

So it looks like your mate from uni got there with embassy coupons , Or as I suspect he's just a bit of a blether.

 

Is he not an Estate Agent as well ?

[Socrates]

Ok, a few things.... firstly, regarding Copil, Copil was at one point in the top 50 best up-and-coming youngsters clubs around Europe wanted to sign, i remember reading that some big, big clubs were after him.

Kostadinov was very highly regarded by the coaching staff at the time and expected him to be a big player for us in the future and for his country.

Mulrooney was almost ready for 1st team football according to the management and coaches and they were looking at him to be an influential player in the coming seasons to replace Michael Stewart eventually. All i meant was (in my first post on this thread) Mulrooney played from the start at Tannadice after Stewart got injured in the warm-up and, if memory serves me right, looked as capable as anyone else on the pitch that day and i'm sure he got a rousing reception from the Hearts fans when he was subbed in the second half. Folk were talking about him and we all hoped he'd have a promising carreer at Hearts, alas, not to be.

Finally, we all hope Prychenko and Holt and whoever else can be top players for us in the future and again all i said was that I HOPE they're not the latest ones in recent years who've had good feedback yet don't get their chance to prove themselves and that i could possibly see the same scenario as before with aforementioned names.

Finally, finally, i try not to reply that often these days to HGW, he's someone you can't really have a decent bit of banter with on KB, he prefers to look for one negative point in anyones post rather than debating the entire one he reads, looking to start arguements with folk etc, i disagree with lots of folk's points on here, the ones that can't take the maroon-tinted specs off and see things from a different perspective but that's life.

 

The thing is, though, that none of the players that haven't made it at Hearts have gone on to great things elsewhere. If Mulrooney can't get a contract at Brechin, then that suggests he isn't ever going to be an SPL standard player. If nobody in Scottish football is willing to take him on, for me that's a lot more conclusive than he had a decent game once against Dundee Utd. This idea that we are missing out on a lot of young talent because managers won't play the youngsters comes up all the time here, and there's never any real evidence to support it. It's a sad fact that a lot of players who look good at under 17 or under 19 level can't hack it in the SPL, and, in general, I think the club have done a pretty good job of separating out those who can do a job for us from those who can't.

[Dalstonjambo]

The thing is, though, that none of the players that haven't made it at Hearts have gone on to great things elsewhere. If Mulrooney can't get a contract at Brechin, then that suggests he isn't ever going to be an SPL standard player. If nobody in Scottish football is willing to take him on, for me that's a lot more conclusive than he had a decent game once against Dundee Utd. This idea that we are missing out on a lot of young talent because managers won't play the youngsters comes up all the time here, and there's never any real evidence to support it. It's a sad fact that a lot of players who look good at under 17 or under 19 level can't hack it in the SPL, and, in general, I think the club have done a pretty good job of separating out those who can do a job for us from those who can't.

 

far too logical to fit in with most of the hysteria on here

[Rudy T]

Slightly off topic but did anyone see the Man U game last night - talk about talented youngsters - could do with a few of them needing some first team experience and joining us for a season.

[jambonian]

The thing is, though, that none of the players that haven't made it at Hearts have gone on to great things elsewhere. If Mulrooney can't get a contract at Brechin, then that suggests he isn't ever going to be an SPL standard player. If nobody in Scottish football is willing to take him on, for me that's a lot more conclusive than he had a decent game once against Dundee Utd. This idea that we are missing out on a lot of young talent because managers won't play the youngsters comes up all the time here, and there's never any real evidence to support it. It's a sad fact that a lot of players who look good at under 17 or under 19 level can't hack it in the SPL, and, in general, I think the club have done a pretty good job of separating out those who can do a job for us from those who can't.

....which is exactly the reason we're hoping the same doesn't happen with the latest two. I do know that some youngsters become frustrated and lose their natural urge to prove themselves if they feel they are being overlooked, especially as they see the quality of some players already in the first team. They believe they are just as good if not better than them yet don't get the same amount of chances to show it. I also believe the reserve League should be brought back, not only is it giving young players regular games but also helps injured players get back into contention. Whoever thought getting rid of reserve Leagues is off their heids!

[Rudy T]

....which is exactly the reason we're hoping the same doesn't happen with the latest two. I do know that some youngsters become frustrated and lose their natural urge to prove themselves if they feel they are being overlooked, especially as they see the quality of some players already in the first team. They believe they are just as good if not better than them yet don't get the same amount of chances to show it. I also believe the reserve League should be brought back, not only is it giving young players regular games but also helps injured players get back into contention. Whoever thought getting rid of reserve Leagues is off their heids!

 

Spot On - this is a major factor in the lack of talent and huge injury lists teams have these days - hideous!!

[Andy.C]

This is obviously nonsense or your mates were stupid or just plain jealous, if Robbie Horn was as bad as they say, he would never have captained Hearts reserves to a league title in 1997, played for the first team, called into the Scotland u21 squad as well as various under age national squads, as well as playing for many years at a professional level with Forfar and Berwick.

I believe Robbie is still involved with football as manager at East of Scotland club Vale of Leithen.

So it looks like your mate from uni got there with embassy coupons , Or as I suspect he's just a bit of a blether.

 

Indeed, I'm actually pretty sure Robbie Horn was a very talented sportsman back then and had the option of persuing rugby and cricket at a professional level, but (sensibly) went for football.

[Boomstick]

Who is it that Mulrooney is playing for these days?

 

I'm assuming that as he was by far and away the greatest product of our youth system in the history of the world.......ever, that he's wound up at one of the big guns. Arsenal, United, Spurs.

 

Couldn't get a contract at Brechin, you say? Clubless, you say?

 

Oh.

 

 

Was offered several contracts within the SPL and 1st division, none of which gave him what he needed in terms of wages.

 

He's in construction now.

[Wolfstar]

So where jamboian said "Hope i'm wrong but in recent years we've heard about these "promising players" that rarely get a chance to prove themselves" is that not a valid statement? And that's what annoyed me with hgw's unnecessary mocking..........

 

But youngsters do get a chance if they are good enough at tynie... even in recent times we have have McDonald/McGowan/Robinson/Smith/Temps/Novi all given chances at a young age. IF players are good enough they will get a chance as proven. So no I agree with HGW that it wasnt a valid statement

[Wolfstar]

The thing is, though, that none of the players that haven't made it at Hearts have gone on to great things elsewhere. If Mulrooney can't get a contract at Brechin, then that suggests he isn't ever going to be an SPL standard player. If nobody in Scottish football is willing to take him on, for me that's a lot more conclusive than he had a decent game once against Dundee Utd. This idea that we are missing out on a lot of young talent because managers won't play the youngsters comes up all the time here, and there's never any real evidence to support it. It's a sad fact that a lot of players who look good at under 17 or under 19 level can't hack it in the SPL, and, in general, I think the club have done a pretty good job of separating out those who can do a job for us from those who can't.

 

And this is spot on... very few players leave us for bigger and better things after being released. Yet over the years the ones that have came through and proven thereselfs have been sold on for million pound plus deals. Lee wallace being the latest example of a player moving on for ?1.5m.

[bighusref]

He will get his chance. However, Mrowiec, Black, Jonsson & Robinson are all ahead of him at the moment. Once our usual injury issues surface, he will get a go.

[Jambosr1985]

Cannot see it, when did he last play 90 mins in a competitive game, if Sergio thought much of him surely he would have been in on Wednesday in a very lightweight midfield.

[stirlingshirejambo]

Cannot see it, when did he last play 90 mins in a competitive game, if Sergio thought much of him surely he would have been in on Wednesday in a very lightweight midfield.

 

 

When re you going to give up on your very boring very predictable criticism of every Hearts youth player.

 

You say he hasn't played 90 minutes competitive football for a long time. Therefore would it have been wise to have played him in a tough match in tough conditions against a fired up team. Perhaps not

 

Now lets see which player are you going to pick on next. Keep looking there will be an under 19's thread up shortly for you to get your teeth into.

[Jambosr1985]

I think if you bothered to follow the 19s then i would listen to what you had to say but you don't; thats a fact about Denis; last season he was outstanding till his injury at that level, he is a big laddie compared with Robinson/Novi and Temps so reckon if manager rated him he would have been in re his decision to leave out recognised first team midfield players.

I am hoping Holt gets a run shortly; his new agents management company should be able to push that for a deserved chance in my humble opinion.

[Dalstonjambo]

I think if you bothered to follow the 19s then i would listen to what you had to say but you don't; thats a fact about Denis; last season he was outstanding till his injury at that level, he is a big laddie compared with Robinson/Novi and Temps so reckon if manager rated him he would have been in re his decision to leave out recognised first team midfield players.

I am hoping Holt gets a run shortly; his new agents management company should be able to push that for a deserved chance in my humble opinion.

 

And we thought vlad picking the team was bad. If agents are influencing our selection the issue is worse than the press make out

[stirlingshirejambo]

How do you know if I follow the 19's or not.

 

As a matter of fact I do but then you'll know better carefully studying everyone that turns up to the games. Would it help you if I wore a badge with my kickback name badge so that could help you identify me as man that's entitled to an opinion.

 

You don't have to answer to me but in my opinion your continual berating of all that goes on in the academy gets very tiresome.

 

However that's only my opinion and your entitled to yours.

[Footballfirst]

Just spoke to Denis about an hour ago. PS has told him to keep working hand and that he will get a chance before too long.

 

I'll bet that PS says that to all the fringe guys.

[Charlie-Brown]

Just spoke to Denis about an hour ago. PS has told him to keep working hand and that he will get a chance before too long.

 

I'll bet that PS says that to all the fringe guys.

 

Of course he should - every manager should be trying to keep their fringe players involved and motivated because at some point they will be required and they need to be ready when that happens.

[jambo_chris]

At the end of the day Gordon Smith is a product of the hearts academy (before you say it he started of at hearts went to livingston for a season and then returned) and i think he looks like he is going to be a great addition to our strike force, maybe not this season but he has shown us real potential i.e against spurs & scoring against the hobbos last season.