Armadale Jambo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Is there really that big a gap in skill, touch, tactics and mobility compared to the SPL? Based on what I saw tonight our league teams would struggle in the English league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rand Paul's Ray Bans Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Great Spurs performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevensonJambo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 A bit of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakin' Rocks Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Great Spurs performance. Enhanced by a crap manager who does not appear to have the players on side coupled with very poor tactics. The forum elite will turn this into how good are Spurs show and what about the fans that left early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonman Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Plain and simple we were outclassed by a far superior side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivlin Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Is there really that big a gap in skill, touch, tactics and mobility compared to the SPL? Based on what I saw tonight our league teams would struggle in the English league 1 Based on what I saw tonight we'll struggle in the SPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Enhanced by a crap manager who does not appear to have the players on side coupled with very poor tactics. The forum elite will turn this into how good are Spurs show and what about the fans that left early. meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Spurs outclassed us however Sergio sunk us with the initial gameplan. Game, set, pieceboax after 12 minutes. Had to be tighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robjam Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 spurs are a class side, we gave them too much room in the first half, but lets be honest they were bigger, faster, more skilful in every dept. only hter egoalie is on a par with scottish football standards!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Luffnan Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Webster and Zally are a disgrace to the jersey !!! i expected us to get the runaround but they 2 clowns cant do the basics . reality check lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo12 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I sincerely hope they are not as good at WHL, this could go to double figures. Sergio needs to go for damage limitation, can we play two goalies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Spurs never came out of training mode, they could easily take it up another 3 or 4 gears if needed. It could be really bad down there, especially if they play the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Vastly superior team meeting a team that is trying to adapt to a new way of playing. Mixed with the fact they are just physically superior in every way lol. We are light years from English football at that level but hardly surprising given the gulf in resources. Annoyed to lose so heavily but not unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc1440 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Is there really that big a gap in skill, touch, tactics and mobility compared to the SPL? Based on what I saw tonight our league teams would struggle in the English league 1 Spurs were competent - Hearts were awful. Zaliukas a captain - don't make me laugh. Webster unfit, Mrowiec turns like a tanker - make no mistake Hearts are crap. Maybe 3rd in Scotland but still garbage. Who plays 2 small wingers (1 unfit) in a match where we needed power in the middle and to snatch the odd break of the ball. Ian Black - do me a favour! Scottish football was truly put in it's place as a bunch of rabbits got scared and froze on the night - amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomullins Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 They should be that good with their resources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 A little from column A, a little from Column B. Guys like Van de vaart are lightyears ahead of anything we have or can afford. But spreading the players wide 1st half was suicidal. Better 2nd half when pressing higher up the park, but they are a Champions League quality team slumming it. The physical difference was frightening as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyshoes Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Static central halves for us but what would've happened if it was any other spl team.... Their movement is world class... Jeez they played a full strength team.. Out of our depth.. Good learning experience though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Vastly superior team meeting a team that is trying to adapt to a new way of playing. Mixed with the fact they are just physically superior in every way lol. We are light years from English football at that level but hardly surprising given the gulf in resources. Annoyed to lose so heavily but not unexpected. But nothings changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungalow Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Reality check - the result reflected the resources of both Clubs . Gareth Bale is worth the Hearts team and deabt alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Goss Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Arry saying as good as he has seen them play in first 30mins...maybe not so bad after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rand Paul's Ray Bans Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Enhanced by a crap manager who does not appear to have the players on side coupled with very poor tactics. The forum elite will turn this into how good are Spurs show and what about the fans that left early. the fans that left early are a disgrace. a crap manager who doesn't have the players onside? are you really sure of that? sounds like a knee jerk reaction to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Reality check - the result reflected the resources of both Clubs . Gareth Bale is worth the Hearts team and deabt alone! Double probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interista Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Spurs were good We were very poor mainly thanks to our gung ho team selection which left us extremely exposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Enhanced by a crap manager who does not appear to have the players on side coupled with very poor tactics. The forum elite will turn this into how good are Spurs show and what about the fans that left early. Based on what exactly? Seriously mate, away and bile yir heid and make stupid soup if this isnt a wind-up. As said by CB on the other thread, Thats a ?100m+ team vs ?2m at most. 2005-6 aside we have been mediocre for years, we need a proper departure from what we are used to if we want to go forward. If anything, tonight is a positive. It exposed the weaknesses for all to see. At the risk of sounding Hobo-esque, give PS a few months to stamp his authority down and get us playing his way. Until then, keep daft comments like yours to either passandmove.net, edinburghhobo.scotsman.com or www.facebook.com/kickbackisforarseholes xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Stayed till the end, and no disgrace to lose to Spurs. They were a class above any side that we meet in the SPL, and with players like Van Dr Vaart, bale, Defoe, Lennon, their pace and movement was too much for us. Guys like Stevenson stuck in, but Black and Adrian were just like fish out of water. Don't think we will come back in 2nd leg as 6 is probably beyond us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBones Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I'm not sure any other team in Scotland would have played 442 against spurs. stupidly attacking formation against a much better team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Hearts_Runner Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Motherwell & Dundee Utd would have put on a better performance (Both of whom have beaten us this season). But Spurs looked V good, be interesting to see how they compare to Man United on Monday. The early goal gave it to them. The start of tonight and since the draw is what it's all about we need to get 3rd again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo12 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 'Hearts will be champions of Europe in 10 years' time,' the majority shareholder tells the BBC's Frontline Scotland. 'They will never lose 5-0 to Barcelona or Chelsea or any other club. I have said I will be the champion' - Vladimir Romanov, 30th November 2005 THink Sergio must be under pressure now, ok Spurs were immense but at 0-3 I think he should have got the team to close shop a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 A bit of both. yeah agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 But nothings changed Thats my point, hes only been in the job two weeks, you cant judge us against Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Motherwell & Dundee Utd would have put on a better performance (Both of whom have beaten us this season). But Spurs looked V good, be interesting to see how they compare to Man United on Monday. The early goal gave it to them. The start of tonight and since the draw is what it's all about we need to get 3rd again! dundee Utd had their chance and got pumped by a lesser team, and then conceded 5 to celtic. Motherwell had a chance last year and got pumped by, if I remember, a small Danish or Norwegian side, so hardly think they would be any good. Spurs humped Inter last year and won away to AC Milan, yet we get upset about losing. face it, they are light years ahead of us, and any other team in the SPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rand Paul's Ray Bans Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 A bit of both. Granted. Black and Ade; what were they doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viva hate Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Stevo seemed to be the only one who gave his all tonight. There was a lot of strolling at the back. We have to sort out central defence, grainger and hammil seem like they would be decent if only Zak and Webster could do the simple things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie winchester Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Transition? I think if JJ was still in charge, we would've got stuck 'right intae them', prevented their (much) better players from playing, flooded the midfield and maybe got a result, or, more likely, a narrow defeat. A load of yeallow cards and possibly a red, but no complete humping! That's how we do it here at club and national level. Intae thum! Batter them! Sergio, however, wants us to play football... from the back and all that. But we were playing a far superior footballing team with far superior players, who play in a far superior league and who are used to playing... football. We never had a chance! Our only chance was the good old Scottish, "intae thum" and hope for some luck. However, don't write Paulo off yet. Two weeks in the job, trying to play football... it may pay off eventually. It's a transition period which may lead to us being the best footballing team in the SPL... if it works... Maybe this time next year... as Delboy says. Or am I just grasping at straws due to the pain of tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Is there really that big a gap in skill, touch, tactics and mobility compared to the SPL? Based on what I saw tonight our league teams would struggle in the English league 1 after tonight there is one positive maybe our owner will realise you actually need talent to compete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 We were shite but we've been shite for months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo12 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Roll on sunday, lets move on, turn Killie over and get up the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Their pace, movement, touch and passing was phenominal. They'd have pissed all over any SPL side tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernie winchester Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Don't think we will come back in 2nd leg as 6 is probably beyond us. ..... defeatist! ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts_crazy Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Come on guys, stiff upper lip, it's only half time, we can score 6 at WHL nae bother, Spurs are shite, (no, not really). I'm going to stick my neck out here and suggest that perhaps it may be true that Spurs are a wee tad better than Hearts. Seriously is anybody remotely shocked that we got a severe doing tonight? I knew we would get horsed as soon as I found out we were playing them. I'm just glad the final whistle went when it did, the only problem is that I think it will be even more humiliating down there. OUr tactics in the first half were simply ridiculous, we could all see after 5 minutes it was going to lead to disaster, yet Sergio waited until half time before he changed it. Too little too late, we should have been nipping round their ankles from the get go. We gave them all the time in the World to do whatever the **** they wanted to us. Never mind Spurs, if we play like that v any team in the SPL we will be in danger of conceding goals galore. Spare a thought for me BTW, I live through the West, I got a text off a ******* Murderwell fan after the third went in slagging me off, canny wait until I get to work tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Given the results of the gruesomes, I think it's a reflection of how truly bad Scottish football is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Their pace, movement, touch and passing was phenominal. They'd have pissed all over any SPL side tonight. Sums it up perfectly. Couldn't get near the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 We showed them too much respect in the 1st half. The start of the 2nd we played with a bit of passion, but too little too late. As Alfie Conn said at half time, we should have been "right in their face", instead we stood off them and got punished. It's a pity we got this game at this time, when the manager is only been in the job for a few weeks. Spurs are a fantastic team, but we let them have too much time on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboMc Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Tottenham were never out of second gear tonight, it's was more a training match tonight than anything... We stood off and let them play but had we tried to get stuck in they could have lifted their game and they could have been equally physical! A learning curve but let's concentrate on Sunday now and get a much needed win to lift the team!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 The difference in basic fitness and athleticism is frightening. It raises the question about the level of fitness and training at SPL level as some of the Spurs players barely broke sweat while we had guys who looked a breath from a coronary. Skill levels and finances are one thing basic fitness, diet and attitude towards conditioning are something else entirely. Maybe pies, pints and Ching don't make the perfect SPL player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DalryJambo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Thing is Mr bones, if we had played 451 and gone a goal or two down early you could have said we were to negative and never gave it a go. They were faster, stronger, bigger and better everywhere. What did people really expect? Some idiot near me spent the first 30 mins shouting at players to 'get the boot in'...we couldn't get close enough to them to pull their jerseys never mind put in a meaningfull tackle. I've not played at that level but a few times I've played teams were every player on the opposition is better and its so hard. When a team passes and controls the ball as well as spurs did tonight its almost impossible. It does highlight the fact that we don't have very good players, compared to a EPL team, but I would imagen van Der vaart might earn in a week the same as our entire first team squad...and if he doesn't I'm quite sure their to 2 earners will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 'Hearts will be champions of Europe in 10 years' time,' the majority shareholder tells the BBC's Frontline Scotland. 'They will never lose 5-0 to Barcelona or Chelsea or any other club. I have said I will be the champion' - Vladimir Romanov, 30th November 2005 THink Sergio must be under pressure now, ok Spurs were immense but at 0-3 I think he should have got the team to close shop a bit. 4 years to go Transition? I think if JJ was still in charge, we would've got stuck 'right intae them', prevented their (much) better players from playing, flooded the midfield and maybe got a result, or, more likely, a narrow defeat. A load of yeallow cards and possibly a red, but no complete humping! That's how we do it here at club and national level. Intae thum! Batter them! Sergio, however, wants us to play football... from the back and all that. But we were playing a far superior footballing team with far superior players, who play in a far superior league and who are used to playing... football. We never had a chance! Our only chance was the good old Scottish, "intae thum" and hope for some luck. However, don't write Paulo off yet. Two weeks in the job, trying to play football... it may pay off eventually. It's a transition period which may lead to us being the best footballing team in the SPL... if it works... Maybe this time next year... as Delboy says. Or am I just grasping at straws due to the pain of tonight? see post #24 put it this way...if we har Mourinho in charge of our squad, would we have gotten the same result? Yes. I think we would have. It was a horrible draw, but we did get the chance after all. Now, let's concentrate on this seasons domestic campaign, enjoy next week as a day out (and dare i say it, learn a lesson or two?) graeme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Whittaker's Tache Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 We were outclassed by a team quite literally from a different league. Didnt help that we lost two goals looking for offsides rather than playing to the whistle. Witness the quality on show tonight from Spurs and see who we have that would even get near their starting 11? Walkers tackle on Temps in the box summmed it up for me! Different class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts_crazy Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Their pace, movement, touch and passing was phenominal. They'd have pissed all over any SPL side tonight. True, including Rangers and Celtic, but the fact still remains that we let them do it, in the first half at any rate, due to naive tactics. Not sure any other SPL side would be arrogant (or is that stupid) enough to think they could just play their normal game against Spurs mind. It reminds me greatly of our last European ext, we got taken apart in the first leg by allowing Zagreb acres of space. Hopefully the second leg will be the same sort of gutsy performance as we did v them, but i won't hold my breAth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Spurs were excellent and had other gears to shift into. We did not start great either. Spurs can afford to spend millions on players ti sit on the bench, we can afford average bosmans. Spurs got to champs league quarters, we finished 3rd in a poor Spl. 5-0 was to be expected uf we are honest. The movement and ball control is something we can only dream about. Wouldnt blame any individual, they are just simply far superior players. The Spurs team tonight would do the same damage to any other SPL team. No shame tonight imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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