Gigolo-Aunt Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 he came out of retirement to play with Palace on a pay as you play basis last year. and the dundee shout was daft cause he was still a top class player at that time. Like Cannigia was top class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Don't get where this 'hoofball under JJ' phrase is coming from cause its utter pish. We played decent football under JJ although we struggled at the end of last season i think its unfortunate the way results went against him, but, i can't thank him enough for the changes he has made since taking over from csaba. Hopefully this new guy can get us winning again, time will tell. As for signing Maniche, almost as good as Edgar Davids going to sign for Dundee a few years ago Yeah I know but look at the likes of thierry Henry going to new York red bulls. Admittedly, I can't see us getting maniche but he is a free agent I think and this new manager knows him quite well. Be interesting to see how we play on thursday. Hopefully we'll murder them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanliHearts Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 As far as I'm concerned, paulo could get us playing nice passing football. IMO, this type of football could get John Sutton playing at his best ( I think he's proved that he's no Target man that we can just hump the ball up to time and time again, could also bring out best in players such as tempelton as sometimes this hoof ball employed by JJ allowed himto be totally removed from the game. Also it could be a chance for him to see that players like Ian black are rather lazy and IMHO not as attacking minded as say Skacel or Tauoil. Finally, I do agree that we need another creative midfielder and maniche seems to be one player I have picked up in from other threads. I think we have the potential to get maniche if Vlad allows paulo to be in full control of transfer affairs. Then again maniche is a pretty big player, but hey, expect the unexpected at hearts right?) We have a better chance of signing a Machine than Maniche! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Knock it long to the big man and have the wee man bang it in the back of the net. It's not ******* rocket science. I think you may need to update yourself on the last 30 years of tactical progressions in football, Biff. That Sports Almanac is quite out of date now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo1874 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Like Cannigia was top class? You are joking? Cannigia was top class, christ knows how Dundee pulled that deal off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rastajambo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 imo Taouil will be a great player under Sergio, his style of football may make him a key player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 You are joking? Cannigia was top class, christ knows how Dundee pulled that deal off That was kinda my point, fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo1874 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Yeah I know but look at the likes of thierry Henry going to new York red bulls. Admittedly, I can't see us getting maniche but he is a free agent I think and this new manager knows him quite well. Be interesting to see how we play on thursday. Hopefully we'll murder them. Very true, I don't understand footballers in their latter years going to America, the standards shite. They must pay a ridiculous wage over there, anyway besides the point, i'm with you, hopefully we will give Paksi a footballing masterclass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychocAndy Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Sure was. Point is, Edgar Davids signing for Dundee was not a stupid shout - he was with Crystal Palace in the end (I think) Oh... Claudio ended up going to Rangers for over 1 millon squid as well as going to World Cup 2002 with Argentina. All after signing for Dundee. So we are in agreement about Claudio then, because I never said he wasn't a great player, just someone who needed a chance. We would all take sexy football if it was winning sexy football. In the absense of winning sexy football, I would prefer winning football to sexy football. I do realise that playing unsexy football provides no guarantee of winning. (See hibernian FC case study) I wish life was straightforward and could provide those guarantees. I think our best chance of winning comes from playing to the strengths of the players you have. Over the longer term gradually replace weaker players with better players who are more capable of playing to the standards required. This may mean that in the short term " the fitba is murder" but we have had our share of that over the years anyway. Hopefully in the interim period we are still good enough to battle for third place. Having clear aspirational goals that inform all player purchase decisions will maximise the chances of a team playing the style we want. Just a pity we will never agree whether the style should be Barcelona or Stoke City eh? I want to be like Barcelona, just not with 2 days training before a European game. Ever wondered where all the money is coming from to hire and fire managers in an instance? Vlad is minted, i don`t think it is unrealistic for Hearts to pull of a "coup" for a quality player in his latter years, albeit on a decent wage. The longer it doesn`t happen then these rumours get mocked but ffs Dundee attracted the players above. That was when things were on the up for the British economy and Dundee still went into administration, now the economy is fecked world wide, there is a lot less chance of clubs being stupid with money. I'm not going to live for ever and I would like Heart of Midlothian giving the Old Firm a proper good skelping more often than not and playing Champions League and winning things but I also know that the way to do it isn't by spending more and more than we can afford. I don't want to see my football, in later life, at The Pennypit watching AFC Heart of Midlothian for the sake of some older, very good, players topping up their pension at Tynecastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adayinmay Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 As far as I'm concerned, paulo could get us playing nice passing football. IMO, this type of football could get John Sutton playing at his best ( I think he's proved that he's no Target man that we can just hump the ball up to time and time again, could also bring out best in players such as tempelton as sometimes this hoof ball employed by JJ allowed himto be totally removed from the game. Also it could be a chance for him to see that players like Ian black are rather lazy and IMHO not as attacking minded as say Skacel or Tauoil. Finally, I do agree that we need another creative midfielder and maniche seems to be one player I have picked up in from other threads. I think we have the potential to get maniche if Vlad allows paulo to be in full control of transfer affairs. Then again maniche is a pretty big player, but hey, expect the unexpected at hearts right?) Has Segio said that the passing game is his style of football? How do we know this? He might want to lump up to JS for all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 imo Taouil will be a great player under Sergio, his style of football may make him a key player. Yeah taouil seems to have been forgotten after grainger playing so well, the skacel contract saga, sutton playing so poorly and the fact that he got injured hasn't helped. Very skillful and tidy player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo1874 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 That was kinda my point, fella. Fair enough, misread your interpretation. Easier speaking to people than reading text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Has Segio said that the passing game is his style of football? How do we know this? He might want to lump up to JS for all we know. As far as I know, that's his style, but doesn't really want to change the team or tactics for Thursday. That could be good or bad depending on how you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 apart from all that do we as supporters have the patience to watch this without 'for fex sake hearts just get it up the park' This ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaii Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Mixu managed to take over Killie from JJ and within a pre-season had them playing some great stuff, so those who say it can't work in the SPL obviously overlooked this. If the cloggers at Killie can play pass and move football then surely the higher standard of players at Hearts should be loving this development?? As long as the new manager can jettison the dead wood from the squad and use the money to bring in some mid level Portuguese players the I will be happy. Let's face facts here, any player from the top Portuguese league would stroll the SPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Mixu managed to take over Killie from JJ and within a pre-season had them playing some great stuff, so those who say it can't work in the SPL obviously overlooked this. If the cloggers at Killie can play pass and move football then surely the higher standard of players at Hearts should be loving this development?? As long as the new manager can jettison the dead wood from the squad and use the money to bring in some mid level Portuguese players the I will be happy. Let's face facts here, any player from the top Portuguese league would stroll the SPL. This guy is spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rastajambo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Mixu managed to take over Killie from JJ and within a pre-season had them playing some great stuff, so those who say it can't work in the SPL obviously overlooked this. If the cloggers at Killie can play pass and move football then surely the higher standard of players at Hearts should be loving this development?? As long as the new manager can jettison the dead wood from the squad and use the money to bring in some mid level Portuguese players the I will be happy. Let's face facts here, any player from the top Portuguese league would stroll the SPL. true, we could do with some decent portuguese players in the league at the moment i can only think of (not in SPL anymore) those two clowns the passion brothers (paixao) someone like Yannick would be good for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I think you may need to update yourself on the last 30 years of tactical progressions in football, Biff. That Sports Almanac is quite out of date now. Sorry you're right. I was thinking about Sandy Clark. Now we just knock it long to the big man on his own up there. Don't play a wee man. Having a wee man scoring goals is old skool. But, it's still not ******* rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsk1210 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 It's Scottish fitbaw ffs you don't get time on the ball to play like Barcelona Lump it and be done with it So Barcelona would struggle in this league? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Sorry you're right. I was thinking about Sandy Clark. Now we just knock it long to the big man on his own up there. Don't play a wee man. Having a wee man scoring goals is old skool. But, it's still not ******* rocket science. It's not rocket science indeed, which makes it outdated and easy to counter. We shouldn't be knocking it long for anyone imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h-e-a-r-t-s Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 It's Scottish fitbaw ffs you don't get time on the ball to play like Barcelona Lump it and be done with it not strictly true. when Bareclona play an SPL side they don't adopt traits of the Scottish game into theirs. They run rings around you and back again before sticking several past you. It's not that you can't play football in the SPL, it's that we and the other teams don't have the players to play football in the SPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quincy adams wagstaff Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 maniche.....pay him per game.thats what we should have done with the crock webster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world_3 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 That was kinda my point, fella. 'ow ya doin' me old china? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world_3 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 It's not rocket science indeed, which makes it outdated and easy to counter. We shouldn't be knocking it long for anyone imo. Before teams started doing this we had a passing game in Scotland. Bizarrely enough the long ball tactic is relatively recent in terms of the long history of Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Nonsense, its attitudes like that our game is in such a dire state in the first place. Not every team in Scotland plays hoofball, you know this. I would much prefer to see the team at least try to play football if anything for the entertainment of overcharged fans. We at least need to be able to mix it up now and then and not be so one dimensional. Europe has left us trailing in their dust by learning how to play football the way it should be played and its about time we ******* woke up in this country. Dont really buy what your saying about ref's to be honest although if Scottish football adapts im sure they will too, a lot of our top ref's handle european games so its not as if their oblivious as to how the game should actually be played. 'Punt and be done with it' attitude is truly shocking and is surely better suited to a rugby fan. Spot on sir. Kilmarnock managed it last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 A massive 'yay' from me. I'd like to see a complete revolution at our club regarding our style of football. Like it or not our reputation is of effective rather than entertaining football and if you measure how effective we have been by the trophies won we barely register. In a league where we barely win anything anyway, would it be so bad to drop the win at all cost's attitude and take a more pleasing on the eye and bold approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Before teams started doing this we had a passing game in Scotland. Bizarrely enough the long ball tactic is relatively recent in terms of the long history of Scottish football. In the earliest days of football Scotland was seen as revolutionary as their players passed the ball, as opposed to England where dribbling was seen as the right way and an art form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 My passing team would be : Kello Hammill Zaliukas Webster (providing he ain't injured) Grainger Templeton Skacel Taouil Driver (if not fit then novikovas) Sutton Elliott Just my opinion anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 My passing team would be : Kello Hammill Zaliukas Webster (providing he ain't injured) Grainger Templeton Skacel Taouil Driver (if not fit then novikovas) Sutton Elliott Just my opinion anyway Zalukas couldnt pass water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Zalukas couldnt pass water Ah but our defence crumbled without him. We concede far less goals with him in the team. Some of the goals we concede are Zal's fault though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 My passing team would be : Kello Hammill Zaliukas Webster (providing he ain't injured) Grainger Templeton Skacel Taouil Driver (if not fit then novikovas) Sutton Elliott Just my opinion anyway I really like Templeton and I am sure he could pass effectively, he generally chooses not to, preferring to take people on, shoot etc I believe improving in that area would improve both him and the team immensely. It could become a strength of his but is not one currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsk1210 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 My passing team would be : Kello Hammill Zaliukas Webster (providing he ain't injured) Grainger Templeton Skacel Taouil Driver (if not fit then novikovas) Sutton Elliott Just my opinion anyway A very weak defensive midfield, think we will need one ball winner. IMO Taouil for black. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 My passing team would be : Kello Hammill Zaliukas Webster (providing he ain't injured) Grainger Templeton Skacel Taouil Driver (if not fit then novikovas) Sutton Elliott Just my opinion anyway Who in that midfield would be getting the ball for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Zalukas couldnt pass water WTF? Zal is technically our best central defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Who in that midfield would be getting the ball for us? Yeah maybe black instead of Tauoil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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