jambos are go! Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 After the shock is VR still intent on breaking the bigoted mould of Scottish Footballl. Just a thought for discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 After the shock is VR still intent on breaking the bigoted mould of Scottish Footballl. Just a thought for discussion. If he is he better seriously open the purse strings then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Nope he's just a lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 If he is he better seriously open the purse strings then. More players from Portugal soon me wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Guns Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 We will never compete regularly for anything higher than 3rd and a cup run. 13,000 fans a week versus old firms 50 to 60k...... Nae chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 We tried to compete at the top and ended up a further ?15million in debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 We will never compete regularly for anything higher than 3rd and a cup run. 13,000 fans a week versus old firms 50 to 60k...... Nae chance. It is difficult, yes nearly impossible, but if the fans, and more so, the management and players think that, then we never will, not even if that once in a lifetime opportunity does come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 More players from Portugal soon me wonders. In that case im just glad we havent spent time and money on SPL players then during the pre season. We spend nowhere near as much as the old firm so how can we compete? Magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groatallar Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I was thinking that was the (Vlad) logic behind it. I think that Jefferies has probaly shot himself in the foot by coming out with statements saying our target was third. To some degree I agree with Vlad, given our budget we should be a lot closer to 2nd than 4th and we must show more belief. Having said that though he has to appreciate the gulf between us and the OF is still massive and probably will remain so unless he wishes to chuck in several million pounds every season (on top of what he already puts in)for new and better players. For what its worth I don't think we should be changing the management so early in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 We tried to compete at the top and ended up a further ?15million in debt. we spent loads of money and got a further ?15m in debt. we didn't try to compete as the mad one pressed the self destruct button at every opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I was thinking that was the (Vlad) logic behind it. I think that Jefferies has probaly shot himself in the foot by coming out with statements saying our target was third. To some degree I agree with Vlad, given our budget we should be a lot closer to 2nd than 4th and we must show more belief. Having said that though he has to appreciate the gulf between us and the OF is still massive and probably will remain so unless he wishes to chuck in several million pounds every season (on top of what he already puts in)for new and better players. For what its worth I don't think we should be changing the management so early in the season. Is our budget not closer to the 4th team than the 2nd placed team though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munch Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 We will never compete regularly for anything higher than 3rd and a cup run. 13,000 fans a week versus old firms 50 to 60k...... Nae chance. good post how must the vermin feel with there 6k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Is our budget not closer to the 4th team than the 2nd placed team though ? You are right, but that still does not mean we should openly only set 3rd place as a target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 You are right, but that still does not mean we should openly only set 3rd place as a target. I think saying we can finish 2nd or 1st would only make whoever said it look a bit stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I think saying we can finish 2nd or 1st would only make whoever said it look a bit stupid. Agreed, we have a 5th of the budget of the Old Firm, in wages spend if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopompey Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 We will never compete regularly for anything higher than 3rd and a cup run. 13,000 fans a week versus old firms 50 to 60k...... Nae chance. i feel if you can get a squad that is not scared of the big bad old firm then you have a chance, self believe goes a long way, money wise, the old firm are there to be got at, rangers are skint and celtic are watching the pennies as well, im not saying it will be easy to do so, but even looking at Dundee United who lost 4 player in the summer and another 2 not playing against us yesterday, matched us and again managed to beat us, an as things look this early look to be a strong side with a mix of youth and old heads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Agreed, we have a 5th of the budget of the Old Firm, in wages spend if nothing else. From last years accounts: Celtic ?36.5M Rangers ?28.1M Hearts ?9.1M Hibs ?4.8M Aberdeen ?4.6M Dundee Utd ?4M Kilmarnock ?3.6M Motherwell ?3M St Mirren ?2.6M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 Agreed, we have a 5th of the budget of the Old Firm, in wages spend if nothing else. so Wimbledon should not have won the FA cup or David should not have slain Goliath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon & White Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 We had our chance of breaking the OF but Vlad got jealous he wasn't getting all the attention and so he soon put an end to that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourcandles Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 With more double the budget than any other non OF team....................................... Can anyone tell my why we shouldn't expect to be 3rd every year? In the same way with thier budget Rangers and Sellick expect 1st/2nd and achieve it not occasionally but relentlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 With more double the budget than any other non OF team....................................... Can anyone tell my why we shouldn't expect to be 3rd every year? In the same way with thier budget Rangers and Sellick expect 1st/2nd and achieve it not occasionally but relentlessly. It is slightly less than double. Expecting us to be 3rd is reasonable imo. Expecting better on a regular basis is delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I think saying we can finish 2nd or 1st would only make whoever said it look a bit stupid. I don't. It would make the people on here who claim it was a promise then throw their toys out the pram when it does not happen look stupid. And we do not even need to say it anyway. I just wish we did not openly target 3rd place and accept it as our limit. JJ was guilty of that, I feel and he is not alone. Any manager brought up on Scottish football or spent most of their career in Scottish football seems to think that and that is part of the problem of Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I don't. It would make the people on here who claim it was a promise then throw their toys out the pram when it does not happen look stupid. And we do not even need to say it anyway. I just wish we did not openly target 3rd place and accept it as our limit. JJ was guilty of that, I feel and he is not alone. Any manager brought up on Scottish football or spent most of their career in Scottish football seems to think that and that is part of the problem of Scottish football. 3rd is the target for all non-OF teams. Everyone knows that so whats the point in denying it if asked the question ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 3rd is the target for all non-OF teams. Everyone knows that so whats the point in denying it if asked the question ? That is my point. It should not be the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 That is my point. It should not be the target. Well unless you've got a spare ?50 million kicking about and you fancy buying VR's shares then it most definitely is the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy81 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I don't. It would make the people on here who claim it was a promise then throw their toys out the pram when it does not happen look stupid. And we do not even need to say it anyway. I just wish we did not openly target 3rd place and accept it as our limit. JJ was guilty of that, I feel and he is not alone. Any manager brought up on Scottish football or spent most of their career in Scottish football seems to think that and that is part of the problem of Scottish football. Totally agree with this, might not do better 3rd but if you aim for the stars you might just hit the moon!! Burley didn't see a glass ceiling at 3rd and that belief rubbed off on the players. JJ for all his positives definatley thought there was a glass ceiling!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 That is my point. It should not be the target. Okay then what should be the REALISTIC target we should be aiming for season in season out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Totally agree with this, might not do better 3rd but if you aim for the stars you might just hit the moon!! Burley didn't see a glass ceiling at 3rd and that belief rubbed off on the players. JJ for all his positives definatley thought there was a glass ceiling!! The money available for players when Burley was in charge is a million miles away from JJ's budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopompey Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Okay then what should be the REALISTIC target we should be aiming for season in season out? first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy81 Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 The money available for players when Burley was in charge is a million miles away from JJ's budget. dont disagree but I am sure at the point in time last season when we had only lost away from homne to the OF that JJ made comments along the lines that he thought we we undefeated away from home because he just wrote off the defeats away to the OF as a matter of course. JJ did a great job steadying the ship after Laszlo, and will be always be a legend, and that scottish cup win will go down as one of best days of my life. But might not be bad to have a manager who sees 3rd as complete success (if we get the right man (big if))!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 first realistic [?r???l?st?k] adj 1. showing awareness and acceptance of reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I was thinking that was the (Vlad) logic behind it. I think that Jefferies has probaly shot himself in the foot by coming out with statements saying our target was third. To some degree I agree with Vlad, given our budget we should be a lot closer to 2nd than 4th and we must show more belief. Having said that though he has to appreciate the gulf between us and the OF is still massive and probably will remain so unless he wishes to chuck in several million pounds every season (on top of what he already puts in)for new and better players. For what its worth I don't think we should be changing the management so early in the season. Dont think it is possible to use the words Logic and Vlad in the same sentence!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Totally agree with this, might not do better 3rd but if you aim for the stars you might just hit the moon!! Burley didn't see a glass ceiling at 3rd and that belief rubbed off on the players. JJ for all his positives definatley thought there was a glass ceiling!! Aye and he was SACKED for having that view,christ you would be hard pushed to make any of this up. If you spoke to someone who knew football but didn't know about Hearts over the past 6 years and told them all what has happened they would call for you to be sectioned. Vlad is wonderful ain't he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 realistic [?r???l?st?k] adj 1. showing awareness and acceptance of reality So the opposite of vladimir romanov then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 first Which of our current squad would get in the teams above us in the league last season please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopompey Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 realistic [?r???l?st?k] adj 1. showing awareness and acceptance of reality what 11 v 11 and you give up. sorry the first half at ibrox met with my expectations, second half did not, what changed, the we can only get 3rd is pish, more so these days, the old firm are not what they where years ago, they are there for the taking, no-one should be scared of going to glasgow and getting a result, oh a few teams get a result in glasgow and guess what the league is open and as more teams start smelling and taking blood in glasgow the better. or are you happy to take it up the jaksey from the old firm every year, with lub every so often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopompey Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Which of our current squad would get in the teams above us in the league last season please. i don't care, we should have the team mentality that we can beat any team in front of us, that is what the old firm have with their players, a winning mentality, the sooner clubs decided sod it lets have a go, then it will always be who comes 3rd. you should enter the start of the league with winning it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 what 11 v 11 and you give up. sorry the first half at ibrox met with my expectations, second half did not, what changed, the we can only get 3rd is pish, more so these days, the old firm are not what they where years ago, they are there for the taking, no-one should be scared of going to glasgow and getting a result, oh a few teams get a result in glasgow and guess what the league is open and as more teams start smelling and taking blood in glasgow the better. or are you happy to take it up the jaksey from the old firm every year, with lub every so often realistic [?r???l?st?k] adj 1. showing awareness and acceptance of reality I am in no way happy about it but I'm showing awareness and acceptance of reality when I say we have no chance of finishing 1st, Now.... Are you happy about kidding yourself by insinuating that we can challenge for the SPL title ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 i don't care, we should have the team mentality that we can beat any team in front of us, that is what the old firm have with their players, a winning mentality, the sooner clubs decided sod it lets have a go, then it will always be who comes 3rd. you should enter the start of the league with winning it So in short, you know that they have better players. In fact, Rangers just bought our best player and, news for you, he ain't anywhere near their best. The teams with the best players win things. We lose in Glasgow because we are playing against a better side. It is that simple. Teamwork can do great things for a side, but without the ability in place, you're pishing into the wind. Mentality, great, but it's not nearly as simple as "have a go and you'll win the league". Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Which of our current squad would get in the teams above us in the league last season please. Kello? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 After the shock is VR still intent on breaking the bigoted mould of Scottish Footballl. Just a thought for discussion. Not a chance in Jeebus. Just fannying about until he buggers off...hopefully soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 what 11 v 11 and you give up. sorry the first half at ibrox met with my expectations, second half did not, what changed, the we can only get 3rd is pish, more so these days, the old firm are not what they where years ago, they are there for the taking, no-one should be scared of going to glasgow and getting a result, oh a few teams get a result in glasgow and guess what the league is open and as more teams start smelling and taking blood in glasgow the better. or are you happy to take it up the jaksey from the old firm every year, with lub every so often Your right the OF are not the teams they used to be but they can still buy our best players when they want,who was the last player we paid for? Here is a list of the points we were off the top team in the last 6 seasons 30,39,27,41,23 and 17,where are we going to gain all these points? You are as delusional as your master if you think we can come first regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 The main problem was that JJ is SPL to the core. Shit scared of Jedward (his results against them in his entire coaching career prove this), and content with 3rd place and 4 games in yoorup every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Kello? Celtic, yes. Rangers, probably not, but I'll let you have it. Who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopompey Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 realistic [?r???l?st?k] adj 1. showing awareness and acceptance of reality I am in no way happy about it but I'm showing awareness and acceptance of reality when I say we have no chance of finishing 1st, Now.... Are you happy about kidding yourself by insinuating that we can challenge for the SPL title ? we have entered a league that is played over 38 games, if we play to our best then i think we can win the league. looking at players on each team we have an outside chance of mounting a challenge, but we need to start winning games and not be scared of glasgow, after ibrox i was pilloried on facebook for stating i was pissed of with the outcome and the second half performance, where we decided to play in our own half, where i would have kept the same tempo from the first where we had the league champions on the ropes, self belief has to come from somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopompey Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Your right the OF are not the teams they used to be but they can still buy our best players when they want,who was the last player we paid for? Here is a list of the points we were off the top team in the last 6 seasons 30,39,27,41,23 and 17,where are we going to gain all these points? You are as delusional as your master if you think we can come first regularly. who is my master? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 i don't care, we should have the team mentality that we can beat any team in front of us, that is what the old firm have with their players, a winning mentality, the sooner clubs decided sod it lets have a go, then it will always be who comes 3rd. you should enter the start of the league with winning it And that is why they pay millions of pounds for them,it's like trying to explain the off-side rule to a 4 year old,get a grip man. In a one off game we,as can almost any team,beat the OF but it's doing it consistently and doing it consistently to the other teams,that cost money and lots of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 who is my master? Well if your not a vlad apologist then excuse me because that is the kind of guff coming from them right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 we have entered a league that is played over 38 games, if we play to our best then i think we can win the league. looking at players on each team we have an outside chance of mounting a challenge, but we need to start winning games and not be scared of glasgow, after ibrox i was pilloried on facebook for stating i was pissed of with the outcome and the second half performance, where we decided to play in our own half, where i would have kept the same tempo from the first where we had the league champions on the ropes, self belief has to come from somewhere WE HAVE NO CHANCE OF MOUNTING A SERIOUS CHALLENGE. DEAL WITH IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopompey Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Your right the OF are not the teams they used to be but they can still buy our best players when they want,who was the last player we paid for? Here is a list of the points we were off the top team in the last 6 seasons 30,39,27,41,23 and 17,where are we going to gain all these points? You are as delusional as your master if you think we can come first regularly. i will take the mad one's transfers to the old firm than the last board where we would at best got 3 screws and a rotten piece of wood for our players, we have at least got proper value or more for players sold to the old firm, but i also remember celtic being told GTF for hartley a season or so before we did, by that time he was spent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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