Kiwidoug Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Could Darren Barr prove to be the answer for any central defence worries? We fell to bits this time last year when Zally vanished and Wallace was injured. Insufficient cover. Just hope Barr can recover his best form and reallly strengthen the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Em I'd guess no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc fan Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Id like to think so , Saw a post on Bouzid the other day there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Seems unlikely but I really hope so. We need a 3rd CH. Whether that's Eggy, Gowser or Darren, one of them needs to step up cos Webster and Zal won't play every game next season. Still think Barr might get used at RB. Hammil may be used in midfield - he's suspended first two games anyway, so be interesting to see who plays RB in his absence and if they do well if and where Hammil slots in. Remember Elvis wasn't fancied his first season. I see a bit of Elvis in Barr - he's a competitor. Hopefully he goes on to have the Hearts career Elvis did (maybe it could end better!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Seems unlikely but I really hope so. We need a 3rd CH. Whether that's Eggy, Gowser or Darren, one of them needs to step up cos Webster and Zal won't play every game next season. Still think Barr might get used at RB. Hammil may be used in midfield - he's suspended first two games anyway, so be interesting to see who plays RB in his absence and if they do well if and where Hammil slots in. Remember Elvis wasn't fancied his first season. I see a bit of Elvis in Barr - he's a competitor. Hopefully he goes on to have the Hearts career Elvis did (maybe it could end better!). I would have to agree with this bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dia Liom Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Remember Elvis wasn't fancied his first season. I see a bit of Elvis in Barr - he's a competitor. Hopefully he goes on to have the Hearts career Elvis did (maybe it could end better!). Maybe just because he looks a bit like elvis ? i haven't really seen him compete for much so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboruss Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I wonder if Daz could play the deep, holding m/f role that Karipidis made his own, protecting the back four and lying deep making passes?. Adrian did a good job there but only for 8 or 10 games, then fell away badly, I think Darren has a bit more fitba' about him than Adrian Pole and this would allow our more creative players like Mehdi and Temps to bomb forward. Blackie, Denis, Pum, Jason or Stevo could play the other central m/f. Been racking my (limited) brain to think about a "balanced" midfield and DB might just be the answer? I'm pretty sure there is a player in there, we just need to get his confidence levels up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Barr was awful in the games I saw him in last season, especially away to Falkirk where he had a holocaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Barr was awful in the games I saw him in last season, especially away to Falkirk where he had a holocaust. Barr and bouzid at falkirk combined to give the worst defensive display I have ever witnessed from hearts players. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Aye, I'll write him off over one injury ravaged season where he never settled. Flogging's too good for 'im, IMO. Hearts are too good for him. When he did play and wasn't injured he was often the worst player on the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Back-up RB imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kings dad Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Barr and bouzid at falkirk combined to give the worst defensive display I have ever witnessed from hearts players. Ever. No Tall and Concalves had one game together as our central defense and that was the worst ever !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Seems unlikely but I really hope so. We need a 3rd CH. Whether that's Eggy, Gowser or Darren, one of them needs to step up cos Webster and Zal won't play every game next season. Still think Barr might get used at RB. Hammil may be used in midfield - he's suspended first two games anyway, so be interesting to see who plays RB in his absence and if they do well if and where Hammil slots in. Remember Elvis wasn't fancied his first season. I see a bit of Elvis in Barr - he's a competitor. Hopefully he goes on to have the Hearts career Elvis did (maybe it could end better!). Have to say that I like players to play in their natural positions unlike JJ who seems to have this things about moving players around to fill in. I know there are times when needs require that but why play someone out of position when you have a natural in the squad who can play in that position. Anytime I remember seeing Barr play against us when he was at Falkirk he usually played at Centre Back and was proabably one of their best players causing us problems. I think he would be worth trying alongside either Webster or Zaliukas now as one of them is bound to be out with either injury in Websters case and suspension in Zaliukas's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I still think he can make it with us, i remember when we signed Pressley, he was awful, one game springs to mind... the semi-final in 98 against St Johnstone at Easter Rd when we got a 3-0 hammering, Pressley was shocking and didn't become the player he did until David Weir buggered off to Everton, hopefully with Bouzid away, he can get a chance to prove himself, if he takes that chance and doesn't cut it, then you can say he isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 No Tall and Concalves had one game together as our central defense and that was the worst ever !!! Did we not bring Berra off the bench with somthing like 5 mins to go? No wonder we called it the circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I wonder if Daz could play the deep, holding m/f role that Karipidis made his own, protecting the back four and lying deep making passes?. Adrian did a good job there but only for 8 or 10 games, then fell away badly, I think Darren has a bit more fitba' about him than Adrian Pole and this would allow our more creative players like Mehdi and Temps to bomb forward. Blackie, Denis, Pum, Jason or Stevo could play the other central m/f. Been racking my (limited) brain to think about a "balanced" midfield and DB might just be the answer? I'm pretty sure there is a player in there, we just need to get his confidence levels up. I reckon one of his biggest problems is on the ball. Seems to panick in possession. Think he'd be a nightmare there. I think we need to basically get him defending manfully and not ask him to do much more. Even at Rb, all he has to do is run in straight lines and find his winger (a la Robbie). In midfield, you're surrounded and I don't think it'd suit him. I guess the football might come. Have to say that I like players to play in their natural positions unlike JJ who seems to have this things about moving players around to fill in. I know there are times when needs require that but why play someone out of position when you have a natural in the squad who can play in that position. Anytime I remember seeing Barr play against us when he was at Falkirk he usually played at Centre Back and was proabably one of their best players causing us problems. I think he would be worth trying alongside either Webster or Zaliukas now as one of them is bound to be out with either injury in Websters case and suspension in Zaliukas's. Not sure I totally agree with the "out of position" thing. Players don't always have a "position". It isn't Champ Man. Managers see players every day in training and have to decide where they think their best position is based on what they see. Not sure that's been decided with Barr yet. The bench probably! Does my nut in a bit when people talk about Eggy being played "out of position". Why is he out of position at RB or CH? Because he played CM when he first broke through?? Doesn't work like that for me. A players position is where he's playing. WHat I would say is it's better for a player to play a position for an extended period rather than be shifted around as Eggy has. But playing him at RB or wherever, if that's where he's to play, isn't "out of position". Obvious exceptions: Temps playing centre half; Kyle jinkin doon the wing; Jose Quitongo in goals. Anyway, just how I see things. I see what people are getting at with that chat, but i don't often agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I think he will do well for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 My opinion is that a centre back pairing of Webster & Barr will prove to be the optimum selection out the various options that JJ may have. Zaliukas has serious concentration problems and I do not believe this can be cured on the training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Herbertson Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 My opinion is that a centre back pairing of Webster & Barr will prove to be the optimum selection out the various options that JJ may have. Zaliukas has serious concentration problems and I do not believe this can be cured on the training ground. I can see this happening. Barr basically had a nightmare in his first appearances - nerves or lack of confidence. I think there's a very good player in there somewhere and he just needs time and a couple of decent games under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world_3 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I'd like to think so, but I'm not sure he's got the self-confidence to step up to the plate. Webster and Zaliukas are brimming with self-confidence, but unfortunately as defenders are both totally useless. Good at blaming other players for their own mistakes though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world_3 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 One thing I did like about Barr though is that he looks good bringing the ball out of defence and getting a pass away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Perhaps Webster and Barr would be a good combo at the back? After all, they've both learnt from you know who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I think we'll be needing to mass order some humble pie for some people on here by the end of the season because I think he's going to end up proving a hell of a lot of people on here wrong. I'm more than willing to give him a chance rather than write him off because he had a few off games when he first arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 The lad looks terrified playing for Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Wasn't overly impressed by him at Falkirk, even less so at Hearts, willing to give him a chance but don't have any great expectations, has to up his game a LOT to justify any inclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawick Jambo Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I think he'll get his chance again this season and hopefully will take it. There is a decent player in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfstar Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I wonder what pills people take when they wake up in the morning... Barr instead of Zali!?!? I know Zali can be a bombscare at times but Barr is one of the worse players to wear maroon in the last few seasons. He has no pace, no fight, no commitment. Even at tannadice for the last game of the season, he goes forward losed the ball and has no pace to get back. If he becomes part of our defence on a weekly basis we wont be pushing the old firm. And if he was the best Falkirk had to offer no wonder they went down! And for the above, worst defensive display in a hearts top, what about (my spellings going to be well out here) kuraski away to hamilton when we got 3 players sent off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 My opinion is that a centre back pairing of Webster & Barr will prove to be the optimum selection out the various options that JJ may have. Zaliukas has serious concentration problems and I do not believe this can be cured on the training ground. I agree not much good being half decent for 89 minutes and then giving a goal away which is Zaliukas's want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 No Tall and Concalves had one game together as our central defense and that was the worst ever !!! Bouzid and Adrian pole. 2nd half v motherwell.John sutton had a field day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Goss Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I believe if given the chance Darren Barr will be a good player for us. He definitely has potential and now is the time to show it like he did with Falkirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brightside Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I think Darren Barr will come good at Hearts. If I remember rightly he was only paired with bouzid last season, never had a chance with either Zal or Webster. He also played well at RB against motherwell away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopompey Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 last season was a wake up for him, moving up a level from falkirk to hearts, he started off poorly, along with most at the start of last season and seemed to have suffered the most from it, we hit a purple patch and there was no way for him to try and get back into the team. Been a few changes in the squad and this is where he shows if he has it or not to be a part of the Hearts team, not everyone settles in from the off, some take time, i also think JJ knew he suffered from low confidence when he was available in the later part of the season and rather than throw him in during our bad run keeps him out so he does not lower it even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zak 1874 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 darren barr will never make it at hearts if tonight was anything to go by.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Seeger Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 One thing I did like about Barr though is that he looks good bringing the ball out of defence and getting a pass away. He made Neilson look like Cafu with his distribution last season. I'm hoping he's just taking a bit of time to adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogjh Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Could Darren Barr prove to be the answer for any central defence worries? We fell to bits this time last year when Zally vanished and Wallace was injured. Insufficient cover. Just hope Barr can recover his best form and reallly strengthen the squad. After tonight's performance think your question has been answered. The guy is p*sh not good enough for Hearts & IMO never will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 After tonight's performance think your question has been answered. The guy is p*sh not good enough for Hearts & IMO never will be Didn't see tonight's game but I fear you may be right. Obviously willing to give the guyu a chance just like I am anyone in the maroon, but I just don't see anything about him. Like I said earlier, at Falkirk he was a competitor - a fighter. If he can find this within him, aggression and will to win can make up for lots of deficiancies. He's looked shellshocked and tame at best in a Hearts jersey though. He's also like a rabbit in the headlights with the ball at his feet. Not looking good for him. Thing is, I don't blame us for signing him - thought he looked the type who could improve at a bigger club. Type of signing that's served us well in the past. Whoever alerted VR to him got it wrong by the looks of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Back-up RB imo. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 I wonder what pills people take when they wake up in the morning... Barr instead of Zali!?!? I know Zali can be a bombscare at times but Barr is one of the worse players to wear maroon in the last few seasons. He has no pace, no fight, no commitment. Even at tannadice for the last game of the season, he goes forward losed the ball and has no pace to get back. If he becomes part of our defence on a weekly basis we wont be pushing the old firm. And if he was the best Falkirk had to offer no wonder they went down! And for the above, worst defensive display in a hearts top, what about (my spellings going to be well out here) kuraski away to hamilton when we got 3 players sent off. Stop beating about the bush. You don't think much of him, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartleys_Jam_Tart Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I would be very surprised . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 He's pony. Never a centre half in a million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambosr1985 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Agreed; sub only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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