BigAlim Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 does anyone know if he would be able to cope with being thrown straight into the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross21 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Yes he probably would. He joins the first team training on Monday so will hopefully get involved in games coming up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeylandJambo Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Only one way to find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboruss Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 does anyone know if he would be able to cope with being thrown straight into the first team? Football First or JiG better qualified to answer but the four or five times I saw Denis last season, he looked good enough to warrant a place on the bench at least. His free kicks are deadly - may be wrong but I think he finished top scorer with the U-19's and I'm pretty sure it was from free kicks he scored most of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I think we will ease him into the team along with Holt, might see them in pre-season games, maybe cup ties and sub appearances. Throwing a young guy in at the deep end can work, other teams in the SPL have been doing it and there's quite a few that have really impressed, but we've got the resources that means we don't need to do that and we can shield them for longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I think he will cope admirably with his first KB thread berating him for not being Platini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I think he will cope admirably with his first KB thread berating him for not being Platini. So much for being a freekick specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I think he will cope admirably with his first KB thread berating him for not being Platini. Yeah some think like that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 With Taouil, Stevo, and (hopefully) Rudi vying for the advanced midfield position, we need somebody to do the holding thing - at the moment that would seem to be between Eggert, Mrowiec, Black, (if he stays) and hopefully big Denys. (I think he's more of a holding player than a number 10) I'd love to see Denys playing there, but I expect he'll be eased in gradually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'd like to find out. Let's play the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 They showed some of his free kicks at the Youth player of the year dinner Hits it hard and on target. A very impressive aspect of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'd like to find out. Let's play the lad. Considering on the whole our midfielders last season were gash there is no harm in trying. PS - Big H. Despite our midfielders not being up to much, we didn't miss Stewart as much as you predicted. I suppose what I'm saying is that we have to start giving these laddies a chance because for our budget, the fairly highly paid experienced players aren't making that much of a difference. - Apart from Rudi's goals, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 They showed some of his free kicks at the Youth player of the year dinner Hits it hard and on target. A very impressive aspect of his game. Yeah, he gets a lot of power in them with a side-foot strike, the same way Drogba takes a freekick. I've seen a few of them in the U19s highlights and they look unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross21 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Yeah, he gets a lot of power in them with a side-foot strike, the same way Drogba takes a freekick. I've seen a few of them in the U19s highlights and they look unstoppable. They are quite something. I first seen them last summer & the way he's worked on & developed the technique is fantastic I know that even in the latter stages of his rehab, he has been practising them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 They showed some of his free kicks at the Youth player of the year dinner Hits it hard and on target. A very impressive aspect of his game. I agree Dave but at the end of the day it's better the masses knew he is a defensive midfielder... Not a goal scorer, let's judge him on that not his goal scoring ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Considering on the whole our midfielders last season were gash there is no harm in trying. PS - Big H. Despite our midfielders not being up to much, we didn't miss Stewart as much as you predicted. I suppose what I'm saying is that we have to start giving these laddies a chance because for our budget, the fairly highly paid experienced players aren't making that much of a difference. - Apart from Rudi's goals, that is. Your opening gambit answers the question, Detty. Whilst we had a good season last year, we certainly lacked a player in central midfield who could pass the ball. Just look at any thread about transfer targets, we need a central midfielder, I know it, you know it, the rest of the fans know it and Jefferies knows it. On the other hand, if we were to decide that Holt/Prychynenko was that player, I would have absolutely no problem with that. I suspect Jefferies will look to buy a central midfielder though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Meant to add...... I want him to be great I from what I hear he should be. Let's judge him on his position not his two free kicks every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 does anyone know if he would be able to cope with being thrown straight into the first team? We won't know until JJ plays him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Who are we talking about here? A brief description would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Football First or JiG better qualified to answer but the four or five times I saw Denis last season, he looked good enough to warrant a place on the bench at least. His free kicks are deadly - may be wrong but I think he finished top scorer with the U-19's and I'm pretty sure it was from free kicks he scored most of them! He did indeed finish top scorer of Hearts under 19s with 14 goals. The majority were free-kicks, I think its 9 goals from free kicks, 4 from penalties and 1 from normal play. I would caution people that when he plays not to think that every free-kick will go in. I think the ratio in under 19s was 1 in 3 or 4 went in, though that is a very impressive which is better then many players, it will be a step up in the first team as your against better goalkeepers who can organise a wall better with more pressure. Though I am sure Denis will make the step up it may be a learning curve when he starts so dont expect wonders from him immediately. He is a top talent, JJ has recognised that and has often spoken of his disappointment at not being able to play him at the end of the season and take him to Italy due to injury and recovery. He has ability to be decent holding midfielder and crucially the attitude to be one and his drive to improve any faults after training is something that is good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luton Jambo Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'm just looking forward to seeing Pyrotechnics from Prychynenko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I agree Dave but at the end of the day it's better the masses knew he is a defensive midfielder... Not a goal scorer, let's judge him on that not his goal scoring ability. OK, we'll keep the free kicks to ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Who are we talking about here? A brief description would be great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24OeEE68BI&feature=fvst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 He did indeed finish top scorer of Hearts under 19s with 14 goals. The majority were free-kicks, I think its 9 goals from free kicks, 4 from penalties and 1 from normal play. I would caution people that when he plays not to think that every free-kick will go in. I think the ratio in under 19s was 1 in 3 or 4 went in, though that is a very impressive which is better then many players, it will be a step up in the first team as your against better goalkeepers who can organise a wall better with more pressure. Though I am sure Denis will make the step up it may be a learning curve when he starts so dont expect wonders from him immediately. He is a top talent, JJ has recognised that and has often spoken of his disappointment at not being able to play him at the end of the season and take him to Italy due to injury and recovery. He has ability to be decent holding midfielder and crucially the attitude to be one and his drive to improve any faults after training is something that is good for him. Does this Denis have a surname or it just 'Denis'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Does this Denis have a surname or it just 'Denis'? Everyone is talking about Denis Prychnenko. The Ukrainian cannon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnut Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 He has everything in his locker to be HMFC's next ?mil player. Just wait until you see his physic,stature and ability. Its hard to explain until you see him but he just looks like a baller. Freekicks...........oofffft think about a mixture of Didier Drogba and Cristiano Ronaldo. Not sayin he is going to score everyone he hits but jeez he going to put the frighteners up a few SPL goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckauskas Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I just hope he's not the next Copil/Kostadinov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I just hope he's not the next Copil/Kostadinov. I know what you mean, but there is a crucial difference between him and the other two. Mentality. Copil did have the ability but no application and when it got tough just gave up. Branny was similar but dont think the senior coaches saw the ability and application to make it for the senior team. Denis is completely different. The stories about him at Hearts warms your Heart (ignore the pun.) Here is a section from an interview FF did with Darren Murray (under 19 coach) for the Hearts Youth Development Committee website hydc.co.uk (if you want to know about the academy it is the best place to go, enough plugging ) FF: Who has exceeded your expectations this season? DM: I think it?s got to be Denis (Prychynenko). If there?s a laddie you would love to make it, and I believe he has a massive chance actually, it?s Denis. The amount of work he puts in it is quite phenomenal. At every opportunity, he will be in the indoor astro. He would be in there all night. You have to actually physically pull him because he does so much on his own and un-coached practice for young players is one of the most important things. As much as I have a difficult but important job when I take them into squad training, it?s individual training and un-coached practice where players go away and work on something specific like their weaker foot, or their heading, or shooting, or whatever, that time on their own working on their weaknesses gives them the best grounding. That lad has got everyone at Hearts and all the young lads doing it through his attitude and a bit of peer pressure. Dennis he has now hit 7 free kicks right into the top corner, near enough every one. If he gets it on target it?s a goal. It?s the way he hits them and it?s been practised for over a year. He?s one of the most improved players I?ve seen. When he first came, Anatoly Korobochka brought him over actually and we weren?t sure and I said we will take a wee chance on him because he is a good lad. He has a really good attitude and he has just gone from strength to strength. If you ever read about coaches talking about what it takes to be a professional footballer they will say it comes to the application and determination to be one. They will tell you stories of incrediable players in youth teams who had such technique and skill yet no drive or determination to do all the hard work to be able to reach that next level. Now dont get me wrong, it may still not work out for him and he may not be able to make that step up, but he has the key attribute to be able to make the at step up, something it seemed Copil and Branny lacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMANOV FAN CLUB Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I can't wait to see Denis playing at Tynie but think this season is very much about him getting game time, in 20 mins here and there and possibly a bit more against the bottom sides Don't think any fans should be expecting a player who walks into the first team, but one who shows some moments of potential But have to say of the freekicks I have seen, he reminds me of a young Alberts at freekicks, power and acuracy Think if we see a couple of freekick goals against bottom sides and some classy touches that would be a good season for him. But we have been spoiled a bit in recent years from the talent we are producing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 A good way around this particular dilemma would be to give him a pair of armbands, that's what I always think when I see someone posing the old 'sink or swim?' question. I suggested this to the last person that I heard saying it, who, as it happens, was my auntie Beatrice. She seemed pretty impressed. I mean, she didn't say that she was impressed - what she said was 'if you don't put some trousers on, I'm going to call the police' - but we all know what women are like, right lads? They talk in riddles. I think that she was impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 does anyone know if he would be able to cope with being thrown straight into the first team? no, not until he is. Even the people who constantly watch the under 19`s don`t know either or JJ. Many players who look the part at a lower level sometimes don`t make the jump, some do of course. But it`s all about bringing what good attributes you have that the management like and base your chance on, and trying to impose them at the highest level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 A good way around this particular dilemma would be to give him a pair of armbands, that's what I always think when I see someone posing the old 'sink or swim?' question. I suggested this to the last person that I heard saying it, who, as it happens, was my auntie Beatrice. She seemed pretty impressed. I mean, she didn't say that she was impressed - what she said was 'if you don't put some trousers on, I'm going to call the police' - but we all know what women are like, right lads? They talk in riddles. I think that she was impressed. Craig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potato Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I would like to Denis get a few games this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 does anyone know if he would be able to cope with being thrown straight into the first team? I've never seen either of them but from what I've heard I would like to see Denis and Holt on the bench for the Rangers game. Not sure I would put them in a Euro fixture just yet. Really hope these two and one or two others like Ogleby push for regular places this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstruck Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 He was on the bench a few games from the end of last season so I have only seen him in the warm-ups and half time knock about. What stood out was the amount of controlled power he got into practice shots. There didn't seem to be a lot of back-lift but the ball seemed to zip along.. His colleagues knew what he could do and all stopped to watch and applaud. Novikovas is another who has similarly impressive power and control although he has yet to make a real mark in first team. Prychynenko - will he be a regular? I hope so and I hope he is given the opportunity by the management and, more importantly, given the time to prove himself by the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honda Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 So much for being a freekick specialist. wouldnt say specialist but he certainly good at taking them and i am sure he will get better and more confident as tyhe season progresses, better than many out there and if he keeps putting the hours of practice in tht he has been, at the accademy hours after training finishes practicing his free kicks then i am sure he will put a good few in the back of any keepers net. Think should give him a chance to play a few first team games before you sit and judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honda Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 wouldnt say specialist but he certainly good at taking them and i am sure he will get better and more confident as the season progresses, better than many out there and if he keeps putting the hours of practice in tht he has been, at the accademy hours after training finishes practicing his free kicks then i am sure he will put a good few in the back of any keepers net. Think should give him a chance to play a few first team games before you sit and judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honda Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 does anyone know if he would be able to cope with being thrown straight into the first team? I would say yes, he seems to be a good strong confident young player with a good sensible head on his shoulders, i say give him a chance and he will work his ass off for both the club and the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Anyone able to describe how to pronounce his name? I've been going with Prish-NEN-ko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 wouldnt say specialist but he certainly good at taking them and i am sure he will get better and more confident as tyhe season progresses, better than many out there and if he keeps putting the hours of practice in tht he has been, at the accademy hours after training finishes practicing his free kicks then i am sure he will put a good few in the back of any keepers net. Think should give him a chance to play a few first team games before you sit and judge him. That was my point, I was mocking the fact that people on here have a tendency to moan like crazy at any player that doesn't do everything they expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_R Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Anyone able to describe how to pronounce his name? I've been going with Prish-NEN-ko. That could be right but I've been going with 'Purry-chen-ko' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I always read it Pry-ch-chenko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I've never heard anyone say it out loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honda Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 my bad i am just sick of everyone playing judge and jury before the players havehad a chance to prove them self... for example the lad ogleby, with the incedent with him and black straight away everyone jumped on the band waggon to get rid of the lad nd today on hearts page statement saying there will be NO charges against him.. hahaha cops where probably hibees. again man apologise big guy.. That was my point, I was mocking the fact that people on here have a tendency to moan like crazy at any player that doesn't do everything they expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 my bad i am just sick of everyone playing judge and jury before the players havehad a chance to prove them self... for example the lad ogleby, with the incedent with him and black straight away everyone jumped on the band waggon to get rid of the lad nd today on hearts page statement saying there will be NO charges against him.. hahaha cops where probably hibees. again man apologise big guy.. Na, I couldn't agree more. People are far too quick to judge and they put a lot of pressure on any youngster coming through. The lads breaking into the first team like Prychynenko, Holt and Robinson look very promising, but the fans get a little carried away when they see a home-grown player coming through and sometimes our expectations can harm a player's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Anyone able to describe how to pronounce his name? I've been going with Prish-NEN-ko. De-nis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I know what you mean, but there is a crucial difference between him and the other two. Mentality. Copil did have the ability but no application and when it got tough just gave up. Branny was similar but dont think the senior coaches saw the ability and application to make it for the senior team. Denis is completely different. The stories about him at Hearts warms your Heart (ignore the pun.) Here is a section from an interview FF did with Darren Murray (under 19 coach) for the Hearts Youth Development Committee website hydc.co.uk (if you want to know about the academy it is the best place to go, enough plugging ) FF: Who has exceeded your expectations this season? DM: I think it?s got to be Denis (Prychynenko). If there?s a laddie you would love to make it, and I believe he has a massive chance actually, it?s Denis. The amount of work he puts in it is quite phenomenal. At every opportunity, he will be in the indoor astro. He would be in there all night. You have to actually physically pull him because he does so much on his own and un-coached practice for young players is one of the most important things. As much as I have a difficult but important job when I take them into squad training, it?s individual training and un-coached practice where players go away and work on something specific like their weaker foot, or their heading, or shooting, or whatever, that time on their own working on their weaknesses gives them the best grounding. That lad has got everyone at Hearts and all the young lads doing it through his attitude and a bit of peer pressure. Dennis he has now hit 7 free kicks right into the top corner, near enough every one. If he gets it on target it?s a goal. It?s the way he hits them and it?s been practised for over a year. He?s one of the most improved players I?ve seen. When he first came, Anatoly Korobochka brought him over actually and we weren?t sure and I said we will take a wee chance on him because he is a good lad. He has a really good attitude and he has just gone from strength to strength. If you ever read about coaches talking about what it takes to be a professional footballer they will say it comes to the application and determination to be one. They will tell you stories of incrediable players in youth teams who had such technique and skill yet no drive or determination to do all the hard work to be able to reach that next level. Now dont get me wrong, it may still not work out for him and he may not be able to make that step up, but he has the key attribute to be able to make the at step up, something it seemed Copil and Branny lacked. Like what you say. Sounds a bit like David Beckham, not saying he will play like him but the application sounds the same. Too many British players just want to let it all happen without making the effort. A player that works on their game trully deserves to make it big. Let's all hope Denis is one whose effort is rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Like what you say. Sounds a bit like David Beckham, not saying he will play like him but the application sounds the same. Too many British players just want to let it all happen without making the effort. A player that works on their game trully deserves to make it big. Let's all hope Denis is one whose effort is rewarded. yup, compare that wee story to Rat-boy's "I just want to play somewhere where I can go oot on the lash", and you have a great example of the gulf in attitude between Germans and Scots when it comes to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 De-nis. Surely De- nee as in Blondie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolya Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Anyone able to describe how to pronounce his name? I've been going with Prish-NEN-ko. My best guess is Pree-chee-nen-ko, but a guess is all that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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