i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 A lot is quite rightly said about the contribution that the French, Dutch and Spanish etc have made to the modern English game, both at managerial and player perspective But I?ve been thinking recently that back in the ?day? it really was the Scots that contributed so much. What is now (very arguably) the greatest league in Europe, come the world, we as a nation can take great pride in what we contributed (not much to be proud of in today?s game in Scotland). So I thought we could make a list club by club. I?ll start: Man United Fergie Law Modern day ? Fletcher is appreciated by all. Many Man United ?fans? debate that Law was their ?all time great. Thay ALL say SAF is their best manager. Liverpool Where do we even begin with this one??. Dalglish Hanson Sounness Shankley - was basically their creator And in the modern era Gary Mcallister ? he was an integral part of Houillliers quadruple team. Leeds United Bremner - they even have a statue of him outside the ground Everton Moyes has been there 8 years and although his coat is on a shoogly peg he has done a remarkable job Graeme sharpe Andy Gray Spurs Dave McKay Their best ever play many say Nottingham Forrest John Robertson (the fat one) was highly influencial in their dominance in Europein the late 70's 1980 I?ll leave the rest down for debate. Who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 pretty sure that`s it i8. it`s as comprehensive a list as you will find anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 pretty sure that`s it i8. it`s as comprehensive a list as you will find anywhere. Bob Wilson at Arsenal Asa Hartford and McAvennie at Wesht Aaaaaaaaam Charlie 'er um' Nicholas at Arsenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Joe Jordan, Gordon McQueen, both Mufc, the Gray bros Lufc,Barry Ferguson Bcfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 George Burley and John Wark Ipswich Town, helped them to the uefa cup. You missed out Joe Jordan for leeds as well mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 add Busby to Man U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 George Burley and John Wark Ipswich Town, helped them to the uefa cup. You missed out Joe Jordan for leeds as well mate. totally forgot about Ipswich Town actually good shout Rents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 George Burley and John Wark Ipswich Town, helped them to the uefa cup. You missed out Joe Jordan for leeds as well mate. Jordan at Man U too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Hoping our older KBers can perhaps supply a few names from yester year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Arsenal: Alec James. Possibly the best footballer in the world at the time. Bob Wilson Ian Ure(?) George Graham Everton: Alec Young!! Chelsea: Tommy Walker Eammon Bannon Tommy Docherty Also Liverpool - Ian "you kill me Greavesie" St John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Arsenal: Alec James. Possibly the best footballer in the world at the time. Bob Wilson Ian Ure(?) George Graham Everton: Alec Young!! Chelsea: Tommy Walker Eammon Bannon Tommy Docherty Also Liverpool - Ian "you kill me Greavesie" St John George Graham is a good shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Asa Hartford & Peter Lorrimer ,Im sorry i8 cant remember who they played for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Man Utd (other "stalwarts") Martin Buchan was a great centre half in a sometimes dodgy Utd team (70's) Lou Macari, Paddy Crerand Ralph Milne Jim Leighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Chelsea: Tommy Walker Eammon Bannon Tommy Docherty Boris How could you forget Pat Nevin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewB Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Newcastle Utd Hughie Gallagher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Newcastle Utd Hughie Gallagher John Robertson. Kevin Gallacher. Duncan Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Is this just anyone who played for a Premier league side (regularly) or is it people who could be classed as cult heroes/icons/legends by their respective English clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 A lot is quite rightly said about the contribution that the French, Dutch and Spanish etc have made to the modern English game, both at managerial and player perspective But I?ve been thinking recently that back in the ?day? it really was the Scots that contributed so much. What is now (very arguably) the greatest league in Europe, come the world, we as a nation can take great pride in what we contributed (not much to be proud of in today?s game in Scotland). So I thought we could make a list club by club. I?ll start: Man United Fergie Law Modern day ? Fletcher is appreciated by all. Many Man United ?fans? debate that Law was their ?all time great. Thay ALL say SAF is their best manager. Liverpool Where do we even begin with this one??. Dalglish Hanson Sounness Shankley - was basically their creator And in the modern era Gary Mcallister ? he was an integral part of Houillliers quadruple team. Leeds United Bremner - they even have a statue of him outside the ground Everton Moyes has been there 8 years and although his coat is on a shoogly peg he has done a remarkable job Graeme sharpe Andy Gray Spurs Dave McKay Their best ever play many say Nottingham Forrest John Robertson (the fat one) was highly influencial in their dominance in Europein the late 70's 1980 I?ll leave the rest down for debate. Who else? I suspect it might be because when they say "English Football" in such circumstances, they really mean "British Football"... they maybe think that as we are British that we are included under the umbrella of "English Football" anyway and therefor are not worth mentioning as opposed to the very different traditional styles of countries like Spain and France or continents like Africa. I think it is only pretty recently that our footballing style has been regarded as different to that on display down in the higher levels in England... In other words, it has in the modern era, become poorer thanks to smaller crowds at most clubs and less media money than down there and this has effected the way that we play the game in order to try and get a victory... Formations and style can be easily put aside for what is more effective : The scrappy, kick and rush game with strong and physical guys being deemed more effective than smaller and technicaly better ones. Might be wrong though and if I am right... Well it is a wee bit sad actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Brian McClair at Man Utd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Is this just anyone who played for a Premier league side (regularly) or is it people who could be classed as cult heroes/icons/legends by their respective English clubs? I think Scots who have influenced the English game Robbo is our God but to the previous post he should never be on this list in a zillion years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Billy Bremener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomuzz Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Owen Coyle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Does the current Scottish contigent at Middlesborough count?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not a player or a manager but Adam Crozier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 :twirlyfaceman: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 leeds united as a big club was built with scots from them comming to prominence in the 60's till now bobby collins billy bremner eddie gray peter lorimer david harvey gordon mcqueen joe jordan david stewart frank gray arthur graham gordon strachan gary mcallister dominic matteo before the 60's they were a low yoyo team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not on the field, but honourable mention to Mr. Deadline day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Ralph milne at Man Utd obviously. In all seriousness, the impact of Scots at pretty much every major club in England has been huge. In addition to the names mentioned so far Aston Villa were founded by a scotsman and had a heavy Scottish influence in their early years when they were the most successful side in England (Scottish manager for 6 league titles and 6 FA Cups). Their founder, William McGregor, also formed the English league. Their EC winning team in 1981 also included 4 scots (3 starters, 1 on the bench) Nottm Forest's 2 EC winning teams had 5 scots in the squad. Leeds's most successful ever squad included half a dozen Scots. pre-Shankly, Billy Liddell was probably Liverpool's most famous ever player. Arsenal's double winning side of the early 70's had 4 Scots in it. Tottenham's greatest ever team not only had Dave Mackay, but John White and Billy Brown as key members. there are many others, but pre Sky, there was barely a successful club in England without a huge Scots influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I suppose if it wasn't for the "breeze blocks" you wouldn't have Millwall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Ralph milne at Man Utd obviously. In all seriousness, the impact of Scots at pretty much every major club in England has been huge. In addition to the names mentioned so far Aston Villa were founded by a scotsman and had a heavy Scottish influence in their early years when they were the most successful side in England (Scottish manager for 6 league titles and 6 FA Cups). Their founder, William McGregor, also formed the English league. Their EC winning team in 1981 also included 4 scots (3 starters, 1 on the bench) Nottm Forest's 2 EC winning teams had 5 scots in the squad. Leeds's most successful ever squad included half a dozen Scots. pre-Shankly, Billy Liddell was probably Liverpool's most famous ever player. Arsenal's double winning side of the early 70's had 4 Scots in it. Tottenham's greatest ever team not only had Dave Mackay, but John White and Billy Brown as key members. there are many others, but pre Sky, there was barely a successful club in England without a huge Scots influence. Pretty sure Millwall were formed by Scottish dock workers, or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not on the field, but honourable mention to Mr. Deadline day. Do you ever remember him saying 'on the decks man, I like that' after a freestylers track was played underneath some highlights? Must have been 2002/3. Matt Lorenzo was in pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Jersey_HMFC Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I think Scots who have influenced the English game Robbo is our God but to the previous post he should never be on this list in a zillion years Not our John Robertson mate, this yin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Robertson_(footballer_born_1953) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Pretty sure Millwall were formed by Scottish dock workers, or something along those lines. aye, but we should probably keep quiet about that Some of Europe's biggest clubs have Scots to thank for their formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Dizzle Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Do you ever remember him saying 'on the decks man, I like that' after a freestylers track was played underneath some highlights? Must have been 2002/3. Matt Lorenzo was in pieces. Na, don't remember that. I just love it when it's on the deadline and Jim has his mobile out chatting to folk finding out what's going down. The lad's connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Boris How could you forget Pat Nevin ? tbf, Nevin was loved by Chelski fans. he was a tremendous player back in the day, pity he's such a fud. Charlie Cooke was a huge fans favourite at the Bridge as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Do you ever remember him saying 'on the decks man, I like that' after a freestylers track was played underneath some highlights? Must have been 2002/3. Matt Lorenzo was in pieces. Superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 george graham winner as player & manager at arsenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 I believe that Preston North End were founded by a group of Scottish coal miners We laugh but P.N.E used to be the best team in the land and were one of the founding member of the football league,. They have had 13 Scottish Managers in their history and many Scottish players. Not big shakes now but they were a highly influential football club in world football let alone English football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Could of big ones that have been missed: Alex James Arsenal legend from Herbert Chapman's dominating side of the 1930's. Alex Young Won titles with both Hearts and Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Nick Ross arguably the greatest influence of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Nick Ross arguably the greatest influence of all. Who and how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Just skimmed through the first page - any mention of Gordon McQueen at united? Colin Hendry at Blackburn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego10 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Nick Ross arguably the greatest influence of all. Are you suggesting Liverpool's influence waned when Crimewatch came on the telly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Are you suggesting Liverpool's influence waned when Crimewatch came on the telly? He helped lock up all the scousers who had been getting away with it for years... decimated their squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big D Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I believe that Preston North End were founded by a group of Scottish coal miners We laugh but P.N.E used to be the best team in the land and were one of the founding member of the football league,. They have had 13 Scottish Managers in their history and many Scottish players. Not big shakes now but they were a highly influential football club in world football let alone English football. You believe well. The early Preston team were known as the Scotch Professors as they had 11 Scots in their team and were easily the best in England at their time. The modern game was taught to the English by teams of Scots. So our main contribution is inventing the game. The reason the FA is not the EFA is that McGregor of Villa was desperate for Scottish teams to join, so didn't want the word English used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley Jambo Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 More current English Premier League clubs have Scots managers than any other nationality ( 6 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Man United Law And then joined City, and back heeled Utd into the 2nd division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 And then joined City, and back heeled Utd into the 2nd division proves he was professional Looked like his heart had been ripped out after doing it - has integrity and humility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 proves he was professional Looked like his heart had been ripped out after doing it - has integrity and humility Still funny though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not our John Robertson mate, this yin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Robertson_(footballer_born_1953) Think I8 was 'aving a pop at me for suggesting our JR was a major influence during his time at NUFC The Forest JR defo' was a considerable influence on English fitba, (along with John McGovern and Kenny Burns) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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