Homme Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Aable Roller Shutters Limited, Dundee. ?152.75 Abbey Kings Park Hospital, Stirling. ?70 ADT Fire & Security, Manchester. ?3506.65 Aitken Wines, Dundee. ?333.32 Angus Council, Forfar. ?250 Appletree, Dundee. ?75 Booker, Dundee. ?1946.07 Campbell Medical Supplies, Glasgow. ?1757.02 Clear Tech Water Solutions Ltd, Glasgow. ?1200.82 Concept Group Ltd, West Lothian. ?318.57 Constantine, Coatbridge. ?2115 Costimes With Character Ltd, Heaton Mersey. ?1803.63 C W Electrical, Dundee. ?650.72 Celtic plc, Glasgow. ?4241.28 Car & Van Rental, Haddington. ?1078.66 Dundee Audi, Dundee. ?793.13 DC Lighting, Dundee. ?5477.63 DCM Upholstery, Dundee. ?53.20 Dundee City Council, Dundee. ?31,558 Dundee College, Dundee. ?353.20 Dundee City Council Leisure, Dundee. ?1435 Dundee City Council, Dundee. ?2838.44 Davidsons Chemists, Blairgowrie. ?308.44 Dundee City Council, Dundee. ?1940.40 Dundee City Council, Dundee. ?1385.84 EDF Energy 1 Limited, Plymouth. ?2074.34 Electroguard Security Systems, Dundee. ?8349.79 Elliot Group, Peterborough. ?1632.38 Energie Fitness, Dundee. ?20 Fernbrae Hospital, Dundee. ?75.75 Fife Council, Glenrothes. ?273 Fisher Tours, Dundee. ?725 Fleet (Linemarkers) Ltd, Worcestershire. ?634.50 Fresh Approach, By Dundee. ?1446 Allison Gray, Dundee. ?223.20. Game Ready Global UK Ltd, Berkshire. ?360 A. Gibson, Dundee. ?944.07 Glen Travel, Glasgow. ?164 Graham Environmental, Blairgowrie. ?370.12 GRM Podiatry, Alyth. ?180 G4S Cash Services (UK) Ltd, Sutton. ?2567.37 Haven Power Ltd, Ipswich. ?1679.18 Holly House Hospital, Essex. ?140 Hearts FC, Edinburgh. ?11,597.25 Hilton Hotels, Dundee. ?114.80 Impact (Boston) Ltd, Skegness. ?2871.70 Lloyds TSB Commercial Finance, Glasgow. ?258.50 John Lawrence, Banchory. ?913.50 Libero Consultants, Glasgow. ?15,552.06 Lockshop, Dundee. ?299.42 G. Mackay, Stirling. ?165 Metro Motors, Dundee. ?392.29 McGrigors LLP, Aberdeen. ?1793.34 Murray Taylor. ?9074.54 Nessco Ltd, Westhill, Aberdeenshire. ?2983.01 Olympica Sports Management, France. ?2800 Peco Electrics, Dundee. ?376.22 PHS Group, Caerphilly. ?1450.45 Proactr4, Dundee. ?285 Provan Sports, Paisley. ?1631.66 Quality Inns, Dundee. ?1680.25 Rosshall Hospital, Glasgow. ?301.82 Rough & Fraser, Dundee. ?219.55 RC Stiven, Dundee. ?224.17 Stuart Barton Physiotherapy, Pittenweem. ?435 Scottish Water, Edinburgh. ?3572.88 Scottish Gas, Edinburgh. ?3376.86 Shred It, Cowdenbeath. ?282 Sky, Livingston. ?506.43 Sole To Soul, Dundee. ?162 Staypress Ltd ? John Justice, Dundee. ?374.70 Stellar Football Ltd, London. ?575 St Johnstone FC Ltd, Perth. ?10,001.52 Scottish Ambulance, Edinburgh. ?1827.48 Shell Gas Direct, London. ?797.27 Ticketmaster Systems Ltd, Newcastle-Upon-Lyme. ?6009.96 Tayprint Ltd, Dundee. ?1925.00 Tayside Joint Police Board. ?31,535.99 Thorntons Solicitors, Dundee. ?16,474.49 Transaction Network Services, Sheffield. ?183.30 TNT Post Scotland Ltd, Coatbridge. ?1357.33 Trendell Simpson, Dundee. ?6236.83 University of Dundee, Dundee. ?14,003.13 Upfront Security, Glasgow. ?371.58 Utility Focus, Alyth. ?146.88 Wallace Family Bakers, Dundee. ?306.21 The Yorkshire Clinic, Bingley. ?396.60 HM Revenue & Customs, Worthing. ?461,246 Sandeman Properties Ltd, Dundee. ?925,000 Gordon Chisholm, Glasgow. ?91,313.76 William Dodds, Glasgow. ?77,899.68 Mickael Antoine-Curier, Edinburgh. ?53,914 Scott Fox, Airdrie. ?21,880 Charles Joseph Grant, Hamilton. ?24,951.00 Brian Kerr, Motherwell. ?79,908 Nzaji Kuqi, Colchester. ?46,451 Colin McMenamin, Glasgow. ?27,503 Paul McHale, Stirling. ?26,957 Eric Paton, Glenboig. ?67,102 Dominic Shimmin, Glasgow. ?66,551 Currently Contracted Employees (all c/o Dundee FC, Dens Park Stadium) Sean Higgins ?17,333.33 Leigh Griffiths ?73,666.66 Stephen O'Donnell ?14,083.33 Kyle Benedictus. ?5,416.66 Craig McKeown ?17,333.33 Robert Douglas ?18,416.66 Gary Irvine ?15,166.66 Rhys Weston ?17,333.33 Gary Harkins ?88,400 Craig Forsyth ?8666.66 Matthew Lockwood ?19,500 Nick Riley, ?13,000 Loan Accounts R. Brannan, Inverkeithing. ?245,000 C. Melville, Aberdeen. ?1,022,000 J. Bennett, ?200,000 R. Bodie, Dundee. ?20,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Should note i don't know anything regarding the above. Was just a quick cut and paste job from another forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORTHCLYDE Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Tell me why these people voted to accept 6p in the pound? If I was owed ?150 I would have written off ?9 to see them go burst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The creditors voted FOR the CVA agreement to give them 6p in the pound recovery on their debts, presumably this was the best offer possible save for liquidating Dundee Football Club. Most of the creditors seem to be local businesses and possibly adverse to puting Dundee out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Tell me why these people voted to accept 6p in the pound? If I was owed ?150 I would have written off ?9 to see them go burst. Including Hearts, for over ?11k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
269miles Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Should note i don't know anything regarding the above. Was just a quick cut and paste job from another forum. Looking at the bottom of that post , some players have been crucfied by the club. Leigh Griffiths - ?73 K !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Tell me why these people voted to accept 6p in the pound? If I was owed ?150 I would have written off ?9 to see them go burst. For them its better to get something rather then nothing. As for what they owe us, i imagine it is probably part of the loan of the witt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I assume that's their contribution towards Witteveens wages ?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 a lot of players are being done out of a lot of money (see tnear the bottom) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Gordon Chisholm, Glasgow. ?91,313.76 William Dodds, Glasgow. ?77,899.68 Mickael Antoine-Curier, Edinburgh. ?53,914 Scott Fox, Airdrie. ?21,880 Charles Joseph Grant, Hamilton. ?24,951.00 Brian Kerr, Motherwell. ?79,908 Nzaji Kuqi, Colchester. ?46,451 Colin McMenamin, Glasgow. ?27,503 Paul McHale, Stirling. ?26,957 Eric Paton, Glenboig. ?67,102 Dominic Shimmin, Glasgow. ?66,551 Currently Contracted Employees (all c/o Dundee FC, Dens Park Stadium) Sean Higgins ?17,333.33 Leigh Griffiths ?73,666.66 Stephen O'Donnell ?14,083.33 Kyle Benedictus. ?5,416.66 Craig McKeown ?17,333.33 Robert Douglas ?18,416.66 Gary Irvine ?15,166.66 Rhys Weston ?17,333.33 Gary Harkins ?88,400 Craig Forsyth ?8666.66 Matthew Lockwood ?19,500 Nick Riley, ?13,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The best offer to save Dundee Football Club would be to sell their stadium for development land (assuming the club owns the stadium and land) and ground share with Dundee United and then pay off all their debts! But that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Gary Harkins is owed 88 grand! Top bloke writing off a fair whack of that to save the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest juvehearts Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The best offer to save Dundee Football Club would be to sell their stadium for development land (assuming the club owns the stadium and land) and ground share with Dundee United and then pay off all their debts! But that's just my opinion. it seems the most logical option IMO, its crazy that the 2 clubs have grounds yards from each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Dens Park isn't owned by Dundee Football club - it is owned by an Arab (Utd fan - ex-director I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Should note i don't know anything regarding the above. Was just a quick cut and paste job from another forum. one company on that list has been due my company money for the last 7 months and have been deliberately evasive in paying up. delighted they are losing out. pr1cks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The best offer to save Dundee Football Club would be to sell their stadium for development land (assuming the club owns the stadium and land) and ground share with Dundee United and then pay off all their debts! But that's just my opinion. Does Calum Melville not own Dens Park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Dens Park isn't owned by Dundee Football club - it is owned by an Arab (Utd fan - ex-director I think) Does Calum Melville not own Dens Park? Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Does Calum Melville not own Dens Park? No John Bennet owns Dens Park. http://news.stv.tv/scotland/163891-dens-park-owner-hit-with-drink-drive-road-ban/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Energie Fitness, Dundee. ?20 Excellent. Don't give up the fight guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Surely this puts our odd 'late payment' into perspective Jeezo. did Dundee FC actually pay ANY of their bills in recent years ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 So we'll get back around ?695 from an ?11k debt? Blimey. You have to wonder how anyone ends up agreeing to these CVAs, totally mad. You're basically agreeing to take absolutely nothing and allow them to carry on their merry way. Good news for some of the employees but certainly not all. Those debts to players are outrageous. They might be footballers but I can't imagine that any of them are necessarily rich enough to lose tens of thousands of pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 So we'll get back around ?695 from an ?11k debt? Blimey. You have to wonder how anyone ends up agreeing to these CVAs, totally mad. You're basically agreeing to take absolutely nothing and allow them to carry on their merry way. Good news for some of the employees but certainly not all. Those debts to players are outrageous. They might be footballers but I can't imagine that any of them are necessarily rich enough to lose tens of thousands of pounds. I think the remaining employees are covered by a separate agreement by the administrator and there was a bit of a stushie that Bryan Jackson was sitting on a pile of several hundred thousand pounds that wasn't available to the creditors but was reserved to pay the players and cover running costs until the end of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Have often wondered what the price was for the Hearts debt which UBIG/Ukio took on from the Bank of Scotland. Presumably not as low as 6% as the club did not get that far down the road, but must have been a sizeable haircut. On Dundee, it is incredible that twice within 10 years Walter Mitty's were brought in to splurge on players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casper Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 HMRC usually want the full amount. I think the creditors have 2 weeks to appeal and I reckon HMRC will do exactly that. Scumdee are not safe yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casper Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Shred It, Cowdenbeath. ?282 Getting rid of evidence?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Sore one for Sandeman Properties, who must be the people who own Dens. I thought Dundee owed the taxman loads as well, or have I just missed that. Also, I thought football debts had to be paid in full in these situations - I seem to remember that was the reason that Revenue and Customs went to court with Portsmouth, because they thought it was unfair that football creditors could get all their cash back, while Portsmouth effectively paid very little of their outstanding tax bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Sore one for Sandeman Properties, who must be the people who own Dens. I thought Dundee owed the taxman loads as well, or have I just missed that. Also, I thought football debts had to be paid in full in these situations - I seem to remember that was the reason that Revenue and Customs went to court with Portsmouth, because they thought it was unfair that football creditors could get all their cash back, while Portsmouth effectively paid very little of their outstanding tax bill. They are the creditor immediately above Sandeman Properties! Thats a hefty list of people they owe money to. It looks like they havent a bill for years in some cases. Absolute scandal this has happened and for a second time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Sore one for Sandeman Properties, who must be the people who own Dens. I thought Dundee owed the taxman loads as well, or have I just missed that. Also, I thought football debts had to be paid in full in these situations - I seem to remember that was the reason that Revenue and Customs went to court with Portsmouth, because they thought it was unfair that football creditors could get all their cash back, while Portsmouth effectively paid very little of their outstanding tax bill. Football creditors get priority status and preferance before most other creditors except employees I think however i don't think any creditor is guaranteed to get paid in full - if a company is insolvent or simply doens't have enough assets to cover the debt then payment in full will simply not be possible. I think HMRC will continue to be tough with Dundee FC and probably every other football club as a result of clubs not making good on their tax dues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Have often wondered what the price was for the Hearts debt which UBIG/Ukio took on from the Bank of Scotland. Presumably not as low as 6% as the club did not get that far down the road, but must have been a sizeable haircut. On Dundee, it is incredible that twice within 10 years Walter Mitty's were brought in to splurge on players. I see your point but at the time was it not a case that the value of the land basically = our BOS debt ? However Vlad may well have secured a good deal for the ?20m debt. with BoS taking maybe a wee haircut ( ?1-2m ) for guaranteed 'cash in hand' while avoiding the risk of a public outcry should they be seen to be evicting HMFC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 They are the creditor immediately above Sandeman Properties! Thats a hefty list of people they owe money to. It looks like they havent a bill for years in some cases. Absolute scandal this has happened and for a second time too. That's exactly what I said They've taken in huge loans etc and dont APPEAR to have paid out a bolt ! Where the **** has the money gone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Apparently the money they received from Wolves for Griffiths was not included in their assets and will be used as "working capital". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 i read that the players weren't added to the creditors list and included in the CVA. they were supposed to have been offered a ringfenced settlement separate from the CVA 6% settlement. HMRC were said to be challenging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 It's absolutely criminal that they've not been hammered anywhere near as hard as Livingston were, especially considering this is their second time in recent years! Personally I think they should be relegated to the bottom league too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 It's absolutely criminal that they've not been hammered anywhere near as hard as Livingston were, especially considering this is their second time in recent years! Personally I think they should be relegated to the bottom league too. i think if they are still in administration once the season has finished they will be relegated to div 3. IIRC that was part of the reason livi were relegated to div 3 rather than just docked points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 i think if they are still in administration once the season has finished they will be relegated to div 3. IIRC that was part of the reason livi were relegated to div 3 rather than just docked points Livingston were still in administration when the season was due to begin and couldn't give sufficient guarantees they could fulfill their fixtures that is why they got dumped to the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Livingston were still in administration when the season was due to begin and couldn't give sufficient guarantees they could fulfill their fixtures that is why they got dumped to the bottom. ahh cheers i knew it was something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Tell me why these people voted to accept 6p in the pound? If I was owed ?150 I would have written off ?9 to see them go burst. At a guess I'd say it was because they are not as nasty as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Billy Dodds voted against the settlement.... http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Football/article/10590/dundee-fc-billy-dodds-insists-his-conscience-is-clear.html :justno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnut Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The worst part of the ?11000 due to Hearts is that it shows how much Witteveen was earning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Livingston were still in administration when the season was due to begin and couldn't give sufficient guarantees they could fulfill their fixtures that is why they got dumped to the bottom. Slightly different circumstances I guess, but it still doesn't excuse them the fact that it's the second time they've been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Billy Dodds voted against the settlement.... http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Football/article/10590/dundee-fc-billy-dodds-insists-his-conscience-is-clear.html :justno: he also got rather upset on the radio that the administrator had breached that confidentiality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjl Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The worst part of the ?11000 due to Hearts is that it shows how much Witteveen was earning. How much was it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Is Shiteveen still contracted to us? I'm sick of us paying for shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Slightly different circumstances I guess, but it still doesn't excuse them the fact that it's the second time they've been there. Was it not the second or indeed third time that Livi had been in administration too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givememychoice Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The worst part of the ?11000 due to Hearts is that it shows how much Witteveen was earning. how long was he away? (just checked...3 months) so, less than a grand a week? Im shocked. (actually,i just about am. I struggle to see why some lower level players move clubs when their salary is not huge. (yes, i appreciate it would be about ?45k, but to have to move every year or so, work on new years day, have 20000 people booing you etc) Given the alledged contract offer to webster before he left was about ?18k....that would be less than 3 weeks of his wage = witteveen's annual salary. I think the average person earns roughly ?1m in their lifetime (total salary in todays prices) so, if he is on 50k/pa, and a 15 year career, then he only gets ?750k. Im not saying he is hard done by, but some of the people who have labelled him a wage thief seem to be a bit harsh Though, this all depends on the original assumption. It could be that he was being paid ?11k a week, or that he was being paid 25% of his wages by dundee and 75% by hearts. I just dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 he also got rather upset on the radio that the administrator had breached that confidentiality. That Billy Dodds is about ?75k out of pocket has brought a small ray of sunshine to my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Was it not the second or indeed third time that Livi had been in administration too? If so, I didn't realise that That Billy Dodds is about ?75k out of pocket has brought a small ray of sunshine to my day. YES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 If so, I didn't realise that Certainly once before in 2004: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/livingston/3449367.stm I was certain they entered administration under Flynn as well, though I could be wrong. (EDIT: NB - Dundee being in admin is at the bottom of the article! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 he also got rather upset on the radio that the administrator had breached that confidentiality. That was a massive parting shot at Dodds by Bryan Jackson. He's fought to keep the business running and there's Billy Dodds who's earned a lot from football and stayed in employment (by doing media work) demanding full whack. Jackson was definitely getting one over on Dodds. Dodds has been stiffed out of a lot of cash but he's ending up with ?4.5k as a pay off and has licence fee cash for working on Sportsound - he should count himself lucky. Most don't get the luck he has... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 That was a massive parting shot at Dodds by Bryan Jackson. He's fought to keep the business running and there's Billy Dodds who's earned a lot from football and stayed in employment (by doing media work) demanding full whack. Jackson was definitely getting one over on Dodds. Dodds has been stiffed out of a lot of cash but he's ending up with ?4.5k as a pay off and has licence fee cash for working on Sportsound - he should count himself lucky. Most don't get the luck he has... Reading the Courier article quoted in an earlier post I see that Dodds (and Chisholm's) claim was apparently not for unpaid back pay as I had assumed but for future pay for the balance of his contract. So he has not been stiffed out of any income he actually earned, and as you say for some reason (God knows why) walked back into his old BBC job. He should have been grateful for the 6% in the circumstances. Sort of confirms my opinion of the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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