Corstojohn Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Watching this game with Barca cruising 2-0 the commentator has just said that Barca are about to make Spanish football history by becoming the first team to win 16 games on the trot. They really are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 3-0 Messi Hat-trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Messi is unbelievable. What a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 10 pts clear of the "galacticos". Super. La Liga is in the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Ronaldo? AYE........... GIRFUY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboruss Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 superb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Herbertson Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 superb! It's just beautiful football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Ronaldo is better though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 La liga is the new spl infact its worse as only one team will win that league real arent close in terms of quality yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlett Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Did Barca ever put a bid in for Ronaldo and he opted for Real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I see Skys pet european teams cheerleaders are on again. One look in the respective trophy rooms shows which club is greater. 9 european cups, 10 by May. Viva los Blancos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I see Skys pet european teams cheerleaders are on again. One look in the respective trophy rooms shows which club is greater. 9 european cups, 10 by May. Viva los Blancos. Going by the quotes elsewhere online, Barca are being far more respectful of Madrid's history than a Scottish wannabe supporter of Los Blancos is of Barca's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I respect Real Madrids history.....but I am witnessing a very special team. This group of Barcelona players are re-writing history with every game. As a football fan, its the best I have seen ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Although Barca are superb, what a feckin boring league it is! I'm pretty sure they had a banner saying they didn't want to be like Scotland, but in realistic terms they're worse than that because it's a 1 (ONE) horse race! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomuzz Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Although Barca are superb, what a feckin boring league it is! I'm pretty sure they had a banner saying they didn't want to be like Scotland, but in realistic terms they're worse than that because it's a 1 (ONE) horse race! Difference is though, they have done it on a level playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic_bas Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Difference is though, they have done it on a level playing field. No they haven't. Barce and Real take a criminal cut of the TV money in Spain. It's arguably worse than here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.C. Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Although Barca are superb, what a feckin boring league it is! I'm pretty sure they had a banner saying they didn't want to be like Scotland, but in realistic terms they're worse than that because it's a 1 (ONE) horse race! Valencia, Deportivo and Atletico Madrid have all won the league in the last 15 years. Sociedad also pushed Real very close one year. Maybe the last 3-4 years Barca have been untouchable but it hardly compares to Scotland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinger Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Valencia, Deportivo and Atletico Madrid have all won the league in the last 15 years. Sociedad also pushed Real very close one year. Maybe the last 3-4 years Barca have been untouchable but it hardly compares to Scotland! true but I get the feeling barca will dominate that league for years to come. I just don't see any team getting close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Last 35 years in Spain Real Madrid Titles 15 Barcelona 11 titles others 9 No team won outwith Barca or Real Madrid since 2004 (Valencia) Scotland Celtic 13 Rangers 18 Others 4 No team outwith old firm won since 1985 (Aberdeen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Crane Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 The monthly Barca lovefest begins again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhAEzyxuotY All we need now is someone to chant out the Sky mantra of how they're the greatest ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiac Rucksack Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 The monthly Barca lovefest begins again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhAEzyxuotY All we need now is someone to chant out the Sky mantra of how they're the greatest ever Monthly mate its weekly. It wont be long until were being todl who messi xavi or iniestas farts smell like rose petals or the y help old ladies across the street in their spare time. They are a good side, a very good side. But thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross21 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 No they haven't. Barce and Real take a criminal cut of the TV money in Spain. It's arguably worse than here. It's not just the criminal percentage they take, it's he volume of money they take that cut from 80% of ?5m 80% of ?100m I know that's not the exact figures but you get my drift. Most of the Spanish teams are Chocked win debts & not only do Barca get a huge chunk of money, they are also ran by the bank so can get away with 'elastic banks' to the tune of over ?600m!! They are a quality side, don't get me wrong & they has brought so many players through don't get me wrong, but it can't be ignored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 The monthly Barca lovefest begins again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhAEzyxuotY All we need now is someone to chant out the Sky mantra of how they're the greatest ever jealous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Crane Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Monthly mate its weekly. It wont be long until were being todl who messi xavi or iniestas farts smell like rose petals or the y help old ladies across the street in their spare time. They are a good side, a very good side. But thats all. Good to see I'm not alone in being fed-up with this hyperbole. They are a very good side but let's at least wait for history to run its course before comparing them to the great sides that have graced this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Good to see I'm not alone in being fed-up with this hyperbole. They are a very good side but let's at least wait for history to run its course before comparing them to the great sides that have graced this game. Unsurprised that a Liverpool fan is unable to appreciate great football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Unsurprised that a Liverpool fan is unable to appreciate great football. its like many Man U fans I read who refuse to accept that Messi is the best player in the world and even claim its only because he plays in Spain that he looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 It's not just the criminal percentage they take, it's he volume of money they take that cut from 80% of ?5m 80% of ?100m I know that's not the exact figures but you get my drift. Most of the Spanish teams are Chocked win debts & not only do Barca get a huge chunk of money, they are also ran by the bank so can get away with 'elastic banks' to the tune of over ?600m!! They are a quality side, don't get me wrong & they has brought so many players through don't get me wrong, but it can't be ignored they both sell their own tv rights, its not a collective tv deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Crane Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Unsurprised that a Liverpool fan is unable to appreciate great football. Which part of "a very good side" went over your head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Sorry mate but 'very good side' just doesn't cut it when describing the Barca team I've been watching. The football has been as good as anything I've seen in the 55 years I've followed the game. And that includes World Cups going back to the early 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 No they haven't. Barce and Real take a criminal cut of the TV money in Spain. It's arguably worse than here. It's much worse,they have separate tv deals.I'm sure Reals is something like 100m Euros per season for the next ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Sorry mate but 'very good side' just doesn't cut it when describing the Barca team I've been watching. The football has been as good as anything I've seen in the 55 years I've followed the game. And that includes World Cups going back to the early 60s. I don't disagree BUT until they win multiple European Cups History won't judge them as truly great like Real, Ajax, Bayern or Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I don't disagree BUT until they win multiple European Cups History won't judge them as truly great like Real, Ajax, Bayern or Liverpool. Can't argue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I don't disagree BUT until they win multiple European Cups History won't judge them as truly great like Real, Ajax, Bayern or Liverpool. This Barca team HAS won multiple EUROPEAN CUPS and multiple domestic honours. If this team was to come up against any of those great teams meantiond, they would win comfortable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I don't disagree BUT until they win multiple European Cups History won't judge them as truly great like Real, Ajax, Bayern or Liverpool. Bit unfair that. They dont compete with Real Madrid or Milan, but have a half decent record. Team Winners Real Madrid 9 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1966, 1998 2000, 2002 Milan 7 1963, 1969, 1989, 1990, 1994, 2003, 2007 , Liverpool 5 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 Bayern Munich 4 1974, 1975, 1976, 2001 Ajax 4 1971, 1972, 1973, 1995 Barcelona 3 1992, 2006, 2009 Internazionale 3 1964, 1965, 2010 Manr United 3 1968, 1999, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 This Barca team HAS won multiple EUROPEAN CUPS and multiple domestic honours. If this team was to come up against any of those great teams meantiond, they would win comfortable IMO. Eh? They won it in 2005-06 and 2008?09 . I wouldn't count the 2005-06 as being the same team as 2008-09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Bit unfair that. They dont compete with Real Madrid or Milan, but have a half decent record. Team Winners Real Madrid 9 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1966, 1998 2000, 2002 Milan 7 1963, 1969, 1989, 1990, 1994, 2003, 2007 , Liverpool 5 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 Bayern Munich 4 1974, 1975, 1976, 2001 Ajax 4 1971, 1972, 1973, 1995 Barcelona 3 1992, 2006, 2009 Internazionale 3 1964, 1965, 2010 Manr United 3 1968, 1999, 2008 And you have to ask yourself how competitive it was in the 50's. Of all the records AC Milans stands out the most for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Bit unfair that. They dont compete with Real Madrid or Milan, but have a half decent record. Team Winners Real Madrid 9 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1966, 1998 2000, 2002 Milan 7 1963, 1969, 1989, 1990, 1994, 2003, 2007 , Liverpool 5 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 Bayern Munich 4 1974, 1975, 1976, 2001 Ajax 4 1971, 1972, 1973, 1995 Barcelona 3 1992, 2006, 2009 Internazionale 3 1964, 1965, 2010 Manr United 3 1968, 1999, 2008 We are not tallying numbers but winning it in consecutive or near consecutive seasons. So Real, Milan, Liverpool, Bayern and Ajax count Man U don't. Barcelona don't .......... Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Eh? They won it in 2005-06 and 2008?09 . I wouldn't count the 2005-06 as being the same team as 2008-09. And you are saying Liverpool, Ajax, Madrid ect..won all their honours with the same team? The spine of the team is the same - Puyol, Messi, Xavi, Inest, Victor Valdes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I don't disagree BUT until they win multiple European Cups History won't judge them as truly great like Real, Ajax, Bayern or Liverpool. I think the champions league has made all of those arguments null and void. Winning the champions league is very different to winning a genuine knockout competition between the cream of european football. Not harder or easier but a different kind of challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 And you are saying Liverpool, Ajax, Madrid ect..won all their honours with the same team? The spine of the team is the same - Puyol, Yes Messi, No Xavi, No Inest, Sub Victor Valdes Yes Different managers different styles BARCELONA: 2006 GK 1 Spain V?ctor Vald?s RB 23 Spain Oleguer Presas Booked in the 69th minute 69' Substituted off in the 71st minute 71' CB 4 Mexico Rafael M?rquez CB 5 Spain Carles Puyol © LB 12 Netherlands Giovanni van Bronckhorst DM 15 Brazil Edm?lson Substituted off in the 46th minute 46' CM 20 Portugal Deco CM 17 Netherlands Mark van Bommel Substituted off in the 61st minute 61' RW 8 France Ludovic Giuly LW 10 Brazil Ronaldinho CF 9 Cameroon Samuel Eto'o Substitutes: GK 25 Spain Albert Jorquera DF 2 Brazil Juliano Belletti Substituted on in the 71st minute 71' DF 16 Brazil Sylvinho MF 3 Brazil Thiago Motta MF 6 Spain Xavi Hern?ndez MF 24 Spain Andr?s Iniesta Substituted on in the 46th minute 46' FW 7 Sweden Henrik Larsson Booked in the 90+3th minute 90+3' Substituted on in the 61st minute 61' Manager: Netherlands Frank Rijkaard BARCELONA: 2009 GK 1 Spain V?ctor Vald?s RB 5 Spain Carles Puyol © CB 24 C?te d'Ivoire Yaya Tour? CB 3 Spain Gerard Piqu? Booked in the 16th minute 16' LB 16 Brazil Sylvinho DM 28 Spain Sergio Busquets CM 6 Spain Xavi Hern?ndez CM 8 Spain Andr?s Iniesta Substituted off in the 90+2th minute 90+2' RW 10 Argentina Lionel Messi LW 14 France Thierry Henry Substituted off in the 72nd minute 72' CF 9 Cameroon Samuel Eto'o Substitutes: GK 13 Spain Jos? Manuel Pinto DF 2 Uruguay Mart?n C?ceres DF 46 Spain Marc Muniesa MF 15 Mali Seydou Keita Substituted on in the 72nd minute 72' FW 7 Iceland Ei?ur Gu?johnsen FW 11 Spain Bojan Krki? FW 27 Spain Pedro Rodr?guez Substituted on in the 90+2th minute 90+2' Manager: Spain Josep Guardiola Don't get me wrong they are a wonderful side but they need possibly 2 wins to be considered historically as among the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I agree that this Barca team certainly isn't the 2006 side: it is part of the same era of success though. And the problem is, we're just not comparing like with like here. The Champions League is much, much more difficult to win than the old European Cup: the Champions League is a genuine European club Championship, whereas 10th placed Aston Villa won the 1982 EC, for example. But more than that: Bosman and its consequences means that players don't stay at the same club for anything like as long as they used to - so even the biggest clubs have to constantly evolve, constantly build new teams. This Barca side is, as a bare minimum, the best club team Europe has seen since Milan of the late 80s and early 90s. And if Barca's dominance continues in the years ahead, then they as a club will begin to rival Real of the late 1950s. Not yet, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I agree that this Barca team certainly isn't the 2006 side: it is part of the same era of success though. And the problem is, we're just not comparing like with like here. The Champions League is much, much more difficult to win than the old European Cup: the Champions League is a genuine European club Championship, whereas 10th placed Aston Villa won the 1982 EC, for example. But more than that: Bosman and its consequences means that players don't stay at the same club for anything like as long as they used to - so even the biggest clubs have to constantly evolve, constantly build new teams. This Barca side is, as a bare minimum, the best club team Europe has seen since Milan of the late 80s and early 90s. And if Barca's dominance continues in the years ahead, then they as a club will begin to rival Real of the late 1950s. Not yet, though. You said it yourself - winning the Champions League twice in a relativly short period of period of time is extremly difficult to do. Real Madrid in the late 50's didn't have nearly as much competition as this barca team and I'd say they are already rivaling the great real madrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavsy Van Gaverson Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 The difference between the teamsheet for Barca in the 2006 and 2009 finals doesn't tell the full picture though. Xavi was on the bench, but earlier in the season done the ligaments in his knee. He only returned to the team in late April and wasn't ready to play from the start in the final. He didn't even make a substitute appearance but has been a regular in the team since around 2001. Messi had also become a regular that season, but was injured in the second leg of the 2nd round tie against Chelsea. He didn't play again that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 You said it yourself - winning the Champions League twice in a relativly short period of period of time is extremly difficult to do. Real Madrid in the late 50's didn't have nearly as much competition as this barca team and I'd say they are already rivaling the great real madrid. Madrid had to cope with a very strong Barca in Spain; and in Europe, with fine, fine Milan, Man Utd, Atletico Madrid sides, and the great Benfica team. Winning five European Cups on the bounce remains the pre-eminent accomplishment in European club football: not least because of how hard they were tested (twice) by Milan, and the crowning glory of their 7-3 destruction of Eintracht Frankfurt in Glasgow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 The difference between the teamsheet for Barca in the 2006 and 2009 finals doesn't tell the full picture though. Xavi was on the bench, but earlier in the season done the ligaments in his knee. He only returned to the team in late April and wasn't ready to play from the start in the final. He didn't even make a substitute appearance but has been a regular in the team since around 2001. Messi had also become a regular that season, but was injured in the second leg of the 2nd round tie against Chelsea. He didn't play again that season. And Eto'o played in both finals too. Obviously he is no longer there but was a big part of the side before he left. Can you really compare football in the 50's to what it is now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavsy Van Gaverson Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 And Eto'o played in both finals too. Obviously he is no longer there but was a big part of the side before he left. Can you really compare football in the 50's to what it is now? I've only just realised that Sylvinho was in both squads. I didn't think he was there that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I've only just realised that Sylvinho was in both squads. I didn't think he was there that long. I also completely forgot about Oleguer at the back. I used to think he was absolutely hopeless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CJGJ Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 If you have the best player in the world in your side then you can win anything Messi at Hearts with the current team and we would win the SPL -- not even a doubt in my mind about that statement Barcelona are the best side in the world at present with the best player and prob 2 or 3 of the top 10 players in the world also and virtually all of the other players are of international class. Great to watch and play the game as it should be -- football goes in cycles though and one day they will not dominate but will still be a great club. Even a great team can play badly at times or suffer from a lack of lady luck, especially against another very good team as with Inter last year so as we all know nothing is certain in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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