Sterling Archer Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The board should have been shut out to those that hadn't paid. If that wasn't enough then it should have been organised to prioritise those that paid the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The board should have been shut out to those that hadn't paid. If that wasn't enough then it should have been organised to prioritise those that paid the most. I think more folk would pay if the forum was better and more reliable in times of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think more folk would pay if the forum was better and more reliable in times of need. I agree, just think those that have contributed already should be given priority, otherwise what's the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Do Hibs.net have more paid members than jkb? Dont think so!! Did Hibs.net crash? Think about it I can't speak for Hibs.net but this forum always seems to be a lot busier. I think you have a cheek complaining about a service that you don't contribute to the running of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I can't speak for Hibs.net but this forum always seems to be a lot busier. I think you have a cheek complaining about a service that you don't contribute to the running of I stopped paying because of nights like last night my friend. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Same old same old Any big news and JKB is down the toilet. Had to go over to Hibs.net to find out any transfer activity on Hearts. Wouldnt want to see a 'Hearts class' 'Hibs class' thread when it comes to our respective fans forums. Wouldn't be like you to raise your head over the parapet during a Negative Period , would it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I stopped paying because of nights like last night my friend. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Wouldn't be like you to raise your head over the parapet during a Negative Period , would it. Negative period? Hearts are playing well...........dont you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I stopped paying because of nights like last night my friend. Makes sense. Wait? You're not even a paid member? So you stopped contributing money to the upkeep of the service and your surprised when the service suffers? You're like a scrounging benefit thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Wait? You're not even a paid member? So you stopped contributing money to the upkeep of the service and your surprised when the service suffers? You're like a scrounging benefit thief. I stopped paying because the service isnt good enough in times of demand yet other club forums with less members and just as much traffic volume seem to cope no problem. Seems a bit iffy to me. Whats the point in paying for a poor service? Do you do that when shopping etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I stopped paying because the service isnt good enough in times of demand yet other club forums with less members and just as much traffic volume seem to cope no problem. Seems a bit iffy to me. Whats the point in paying for a poor service? Do you do that when shopping etc? It's posts like this that make me wish that the forum would change to compulsory subscription Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's posts like this that make me wish that the forum would change to compulsory subscription But my question to you is................would it perform better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 What a set of ungrateful whinging sods ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Negative period? Hearts are playing well...........dont you know? Nope, hadn't noticed. Too busy crying over the fiver you've not paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Is there a problem with kb just now usually when you hover over a thread you get info about it, now it just states view topic, have tried signing out and back in but it makes no differnce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Nope, hadn't noticed. Too busy crying over the fiver you've not paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Nope, hadn't noticed. Too busy crying over the fiver you've not paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have to admit that when you compare the ?5 a year that I spend on KB, to the amount of time I waste spend on here, losing service once in a while is a small price to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I stopped paying because the service isnt good enough in times of demand yet other club forums with less members and just as much traffic volume seem to cope no problem. Seems a bit iffy to me. Whats the point in paying for a poor service? Do you do that when shopping etc? If i got my shopping for free and a couple items were unusable or out of date I wouldnt complain about the store Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberhill jambo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 That included the administrator. Can you subscribe if you have not got paypal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston churchill Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Nope, hadn't noticed. Too busy crying over the fiver you've not paid. only on KB would a free loader try and bump his gums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 only on KB would a free loader try and bump his gums If only HEARTS FOREVER had paid his fiver, none of this would've happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Some of the comments on this thread defy belief. This is a magnificent forum, very well run almost all of the time. Many people access it for free; some pay a measly ?5 each year. FIVE POUNDS for heavens sake. Yet to judge by many folks' attitudes, you'd think they were about to lose their homes or something. If you do pay a fiver, it's fantastic value for money - and the server almost never goes down. That it does very occasionally is in keeping with almost every website on the entire world wide web. The owners, admins and mods don't get paid, do this out of their own spare time - yet look at the grief they get. Is this why Scotland is known throughout the world as a nation of whining curmudegons? I can't believe I'm about to write this with my 25,475 posts - but so the server crashed last night. So ******* what? Seriously people: get a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Stinkfinger Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Some of the comments on this thread defy belief. This is a magnificent forum, very well run almost all of the time. Many people access it for free; some pay a measly ?5 each year. FIVE POUNDS for heavens sake. Yet to judge by many folks' attitudes, you'd think they were about to lose their homes or something. If you do pay a fiver, it's fantastic value for money - and the server almost never goes down. That it does very occasionally is in keeping with almost every website on the entire world wide web. The owners, admins and mods don't get paid, and do this out of their own spare time - yet look at the grief they get. Is this why Scotland is known throughout the world as a nation of whining curmudegons? I don't suppose your "lengthy" posts are particularly kind to the server either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Nope, people whinge the world over when things stop working Shaun - that's hardly unique to Scotland. Cut out the damn stereotyping, it makes you look crass and undermines the point you are making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Nope, hadn't noticed. Too busy crying over the fiver you've not paid. Well maybe thats the problem then mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But my question to you is................would it perform better? Well yes it would. More subscriptions = more money = higher quality server and / or multiple servers set up in a cluster each load sharing the forum and the connections to the forum. Less free loading registered members = less connections = better service for those who are subscribed and accessing the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Nope, people whinge the world over when things stop working Shaun - that's hardly unique to Scotland. Cut out the damn stereotyping, it makes you look crass and undermines the point you are making. But over a fiver?!?!?!1111111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 To be fair im pulling a few folks chain on this thread. Do think though that on days like yesterday that other club forums ie Hibs.net hold up better than ours and this has went on for years. Never paid my fiver for the past while because ive not really been on jkb that much but if it helps improve things then i would be willing to pay no probs. But Im interested to know what could be done to eradicate nights like last night. Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well yes it would. More subscriptions = more money = higher quality server and / or multiple servers set up in a cluster each load sharing the forum and the connections to the forum. Less free loading registered members = less connections = better service for those who are subscribed and accessing the forum. Does it work like that? Im not so sure. How do Hibs.net manage on a night like last night with less subscribed members than JKB? Also how did their server cope with all the Hearts fans like me who had to look on their forum to see if there was any news about Hearts? Dont think your argument holds up to be honest because in reality thats what should happen but doesn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There was a period of time some time ago when last nights glitch happened every time there was a major announcement. I have paid my five since payments were instituted and I can honestly not remember losing service such as last night, until last night. As it was on checking in when normal service was resumed, watching Hot in Cleveland and One and a Half Men also starring Charlie Sheen playing himself was more informative and had more new content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 To be fair im pulling a few folks chain on this thread. Do think though that on days like yesterday that other club forums ie Hibs.net hold up better than ours and this has went on for years. Never paid my fiver for the past while because ive not really been on jkb that much but if it helps improve things then i would be willing to pay no probs. But Im interested to know what could be done to eradicate nights like last night. Rant over. For the record, the difference between us getting more oomph on the server thus stopping the downtime, and, remaining as is, was, ?4.99. I therefore have no qualms in blaming you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Does it work like that? Im not so sure. How do Hibs.net manage on a night like last night with less subscribed members than JKB? Also how did their server cope with all the Hearts fans like me who had to look on their forum to see if there was any news about Hearts? Dont think your argument holds up to be honest because in reality thats what should happen but doesn't! My argument holds up as I'm right and if you disagree I will just have to destroy your computer remotely. It's unfortunate but this is just cyberlife I would have to think the JKB server(s) is brimming full of memory, processing power and a phat array of the latest SSD, multiple NICs with 10G throughput and directly connected to the UK internet backbone, with enough redundancy in place that only a small nuclear holocaust would knock it briefly off it's stride. That's what my ?5 buys, nothing less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 My argument holds up as I'm right and if you disagree I will just have to destroy your computer remotely. It's unfortunate but this is just cyberlife I would have to think the JKB server(s) is brimming full of memory, processing power and a phat array of the latest SSD, multiple NICs with 10G throughput and directly connected to the UK internet backbone, with enough redundancy in place that only a small nuclear holocaust would knock it briefly off it's stride. That's what my ?5 buys, nothing less It's a pity the 50p coin meter was made in Taiwan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 For the record, the difference between us getting more oomph on the server thus stopping the downtime, and, remaining as is, was, ?4.99. I therefore have no qualms in blaming you. Now that doesn't surprise me!!! Ps Ive plenty oooomph if you need it Dex!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Now that doesn't surprise me!!! Ps Ive plenty oooomph if you need it Dex!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 My argument holds up as I'm right and if you disagree I will just have to destroy your computer remotely. It's unfortunate but this is just cyberlife I would have to think the JKB server(s) is brimming full of memory, processing power and a phat array of the latest SSD, multiple NICs with 10G throughput and directly connected to the UK internet backbone, with enough redundancy in place that only a small nuclear holocaust would knock it briefly off it's stride. That's what my ?5 buys, nothing less Better with a Scuddy mag!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Root Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's a pity the 50p coin meter was made in Taiwan. It's a common mistake. I take it you went with the upgrade and have a small Krankiesque woman shooting the 50ps out her lady widget at the meter? Meant to be more efficient but the back of our server room looks like a war zone from all the missed credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's a common mistake. I take it you went with the upgrade and have a small Krankiesque woman shooting the 50ps out her lady widget at the meter? Meant to be more efficient but the back of our server room looks like a war zone from all the missed credit. She was pretty accurate up until last night. I blame the loosening of the walls and the fact they installed new earthing floor tiles. Plays havoc with the buttocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 How do Hibs.net manage on a night like last night with less subscribed members than JKB? Also how did their server cope with all the Hearts fans like me who had to look on their forum to see if there was any news about Hearts? Hibs fans trying to log onto/post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2NhwAG-ilw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Just some stats for you from January. 65,334 people visited this site * 388,540 Visits * 65,334 Absolute Unique Visitors * 3,919,815 Pageviews * 10.09 Average Pageviews * 00:14:48 Time on Site * 12.97% Bounce Rate * 12.84% New Visits And you wonder why the server wanted a rest last night ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Stinkfinger Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Stick me down for an extra 50p next time I subscribe, that should cure the problem.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Just some stats for you from January. * 00:14:48 Time on Site Is that the ave time per person for January? **** I need to get a life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Is that the ave time per person for January? **** I need to get a life Yip. Best not ask what mine is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Just some stats for you from January. 65,334 people visited this site * 388,540 Visits * 65,334 Absolute Unique Visitors * 3,919,815 Pageviews * 10.09 Average Pageviews * 00:14:48 Time on Site * 12.97% Bounce Rate * 12.84% New Visits And you wonder why the server wanted a rest last night ! Admin porn IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 As disappointing as last night was, I am grateful to the Admin and Mods that keep this site running for a fiver a year. I mind the days when crashes were the norm on what was a fairly basic site. Look at all the add ons and sub forums and we really have a cracking site. I regularly check out other teams forums and can say hand on heart with no JKB tinted glasses on, that this is the best I have viewed. So what if a couple of times a year it crashes for a couple of hours? Unless full time staff are paid and subs are increased/compulsory, then we will have some hiccups. Yes I would prefer it if subscribed members only could have viewed last night but I appreciate the explanation that has been provided Re the surge in users. I dont know any of the mechanics of how a site works so I trust the Admin that we have in place. ?5 A YEAR for the hours I spend on here is a bargain. One thing I would like to ask is what is the argument against compulsory subs? Would this help reduce the number of wind up merchants posting whilst increasing revenue for possible improvements to the system? Anyway, that is more than my tuppence worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We all come here because we are passionate about our club. Without JKB and it's members, supporting Hearts would be a weird thing - one goes hand in hand with the other (IMO), so thanks to all the members who help make JKB what it is and again, apologies for the slight downtime, but be assured, it's being address as I type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We all come here because we are passionate about our club. Without JKB and it's members, supporting Hearts would be a weird thing - one goes hand in hand with the other (IMO), so thanks to all the members who help make JKB what it is and again, apologies for the slight downtime, but be assured, it's being address as I type. I have no issue with the downtime itself the thing that was annoying was that those members who have actually contributed weren't prioritised, if that's because you guys were caught off guard then I can understand. Just would hope that from now on it would be guests/ subscribed / paid members getting locked out in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have no issue with the downtime itself the thing that was annoying was that those members who have actually contributed weren't prioritised, if that's because you guys were caught off guard then I can understand. Just would hope that from now on it would be guests/ subscribed / paid members getting locked out in that order. If you read back a bit I'm pretty sure Uly explained how they did attempt to shut out different categories but the sudden influx was just too much. It seems perfectly reasonable to me. More importantly, who the heck are these part timer weirdos who only spend 14 minutes here at a time? And how do they do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have no issue with the downtime itself the thing that was annoying was that those members who have actually contributed weren't prioritised, if that's because you guys were caught off guard then I can understand. Just would hope that from now on it would be guests/ subscribed / paid members getting locked out in that order. It was a case of our (or more specifically, my) being caught off guard by the speed at which 2,000 additional users decided to jump on to the forum in a very short space of time. Ironically, the plan also failed because it relied on exactly the order of priority you've suggested. I blocked guest access, and then all the guests who had accounts logged on before I had time to block registered users. If I'd blocked registered users first the guests wouldn't have noticed any problem and then I could have blocked them, and in all probability the server wouldn't have crashed. It's a case of live and learn, I s'pose. The other thing is that it isn't simply a question of money. The reality is that for most of the last year the server operated at way below capacity. If we over-engineered the equipment it would be a waste of resources that could be spent on other things, particularly the charitable causes we support. The sensible way to operate is to build in a reasonable amount of spare capacity, and then upgrade when we are approaching the limits of the existing configuration. That's what we did last year, and we're doing it again. However unlike last year when we moved software and server in one "big bang", this capacity upgrade will involve a couple of smaller steps, with shorter periods of downtime and less changes for members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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