Swanny17 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I've also seen him at CF before at Tannadice and he was a disaster. It's not a good idea imo. I hear what you are saying bud, as I was at that game too. However, that was under Csaba. Most players were a disaster in their natural position with that clown in charge. Moose done a decent job up front for us on the few times he was required to play there, and if JJ insists on having a target man up front, I just think it is something we should consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I wouldn't shoot you - I agree, folks expecting a club in our financial position to be able to sign players to cover for relatively short term injuries are beling unrealistic IMO. If we had money to sign Bryson then we have money to sign cover for Kyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Obviously the big fella has given us a presence this season and done well. Maybe now though is a chance to let Stephen Elliott play centre forward with Temps or Skatch playing around him and keep the baw on the deck. We have pace in the team - USE IT! Rather than hoofing it to Kyle get ball to feet and get turning defences - we have the personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 If we had money to sign Bryson then we have money to sign cover for Kyle. Bingo. David Clarkson would be an excellent signing. He will be on decent wages down at Bristol, but if you don't ask, you don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Weeks of watching Obua & his wanky style of play beckons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Bingo. David Clarkson would be an excellent signing. He will be on decent wages down at Bristol, but if you don't ask, you don't get. Correct. He's not been getting much game time recently GA and with any luck BC wouldn't be too difficult to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Obviously the big fella has given us a presence this season and done well. Maybe now though is a chance to let Stephen Elliott play centre forward with Temps or Skatch playing around him and keep the baw on the deck. We have pace in the team - USE IT! Rather than hoofing it to Kyle get ball to feet and get turning defences - we have the personnel. I'd go with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Obviously the big fella has given us a presence this season and done well. Maybe now though is a chance to let Stephen Elliott play centre forward with Temps or Skatch playing around him and keep the baw on the deck. We have pace in the team - USE IT! Rather than hoofing it to Kyle get ball to feet and get turning defences - we have the personnel. I agree with this. Kyle has been massive for us up until now, and (along with Rudi) is a big reason behind the success of the 4-2-3-1 system JJ has deployed. If Kyle is out, we need to change the system, probably to 4-4-2. Get Stephen Elliott playing through the middle as one half of a front two. For the midfield 4, we have Mrowiec to sit deep and do the donkey work for the three others in there. To fill the gaps we have Rudi, Templeton, Novikovas, Black, Stevenson, Glen, Elliot, Obua, Rubens (once Wallace is back in the left back role). Not to mention Driver and Suso nearing a return. No matter what we think of some of the players I've listed, it's an embarassment of riches compared to at least 9 other SPL clubs. So I'd agree it would be stupid to sign a player just to replace KK whilst he's injured. If we truly did think none of these guys were the answer up front, can we recall Gordon Smith from Stirling? He's done well by all accounts, and I'd rather give one of our own youngsters a shot than gamble with a short term loan or signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Velicka would do for me until end of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Dance Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Velicka would do for me until end of season. Is he not still at Aberdeen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Is he not still at Aberdeen? Yes. A season long swap/loan deal with Richard Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I agree with this. Kyle has been massive for us up until now, and (along with Rudi) is a big reason behind the success of the 4-2-3-1 system JJ has deployed. If Kyle is out, we need to change the system, probably to 4-4-2. Get Stephen Elliott playing through the middle as one half of a front two. For the midfield 4, we have Mrowiec to sit deep and do the donkey work for the three others in there. To fill the gaps we have Rudi, Templeton, Novikovas, Black, Stevenson, Glen, Elliot, Obua, Rubens (once Wallace is back in the left back role). Not to mention Driver and Suso nearing a return. No matter what we think of some of the players I've listed, it's an embarassment of riches compared to at least 9 other SPL clubs. So I'd agree it would be stupid to sign a player just to replace KK whilst he's injured. If we truly did think none of these guys were the answer up front, can we recall Gordon Smith from Stirling? He's done well by all accounts, and I'd rather give one of our own youngsters a shot than gamble with a short term loan or signing. I don't know why we would have to change our formation. We are richest in the wide areas. We need to play with two wingers. Two wingers and two centre forwards leaves us short in the middle of the park. We have seen this often enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I don't know why we would have to change our formation. We are richest in the wide areas. We need to play with two wingers. Two wingers and two centre forwards leaves us short in the middle of the park. We have seen this often enough. I think the current system heavily relies on Kyle to win his fair share in the air, with his back to goal or just keeping the opposition centre halfs busy, giving our wider players and Skacel chances to feed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 This just doubled the hangover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlo Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I think the current system heavily relies on Kyle to win his fair share in the air, with his back to goal or just keeping the opposition centre halfs busy, giving our wider players and Skacel chances to feed on. That's true - and when the system works, it works very well. But equally sometimes it doesn't - Tuesday night being the obvious example. The number of long hopeful balls being played up to Kyle was terrible and it was so easy for the St Johnstone defenders to deal with. If Kyle is injured, there's no doubt its a blow - but it was always on the cards - and losing important players to injury is just part and parcel of football. It would be nice if we could sign another striker - but let's not forget the club are still ?30m in debt. I think we can probably cope reasonably well with the players we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 That's true - and when the system works, it works very well. But equally sometimes it doesn't - Tuesday night being the obvious example. The number of long hopeful balls being played up to Kyle was terrible and it was so easy for the St Johnstone defenders to deal with. If Kyle is injured, there's no doubt its a blow - but it was always on the cards - and losing important players to injury is just part and parcel of football. It would be nice if we could sign another striker - but let's not forget the club are still ?30m in debt. I think we can probably cope reasonably well with the players we've got. And that's exactly why Kyle's injury might force JJs hand into coming up with a plan B. We don't seem to have one at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Obviously the big fella has given us a presence this season and done well. Maybe now though is a chance to let Stephen Elliott play centre forward with Temps or Skatch playing around him and keep the baw on the deck. We have pace in the team - USE IT! Rather than hoofing it to Kyle get ball to feet and get turning defences - we have the personnel. This. I'd like to see Elliott through the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Agree with Clerry. We have enough good players to play the ball on the deck rather than long balls to Kyle. Yes he gives us another dimension and will be a miss but I think we can cope without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Hearts were looking at Lee Miller a few weeks back, his loan deal expired on the 4th Jan 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Velicka would do for me until end of season. We'd have to change our play as Velicka prefers to run at people rather than hold the ball up. Mind you the season long loan agreement scuppers that choice anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 History tells us that Kyle never manages much more than three or four fully fit months at a stretch. JJ, who only last week said he was happy with his squad, will surely have a plan B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Lee Miller or Clarkson would certainly suit the style of play and shape of the Hearts team just now. I just hope there is no dithering over this and we get something sorted out quickly. We've quite a few really important matches for us over the next couple of weeks - ones that will determine how successful we are going to be this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggo Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Posted this earlier but no one saw it by the looks of things I was told earlier today that Kyle has a serious hernia problem which needs an operation and he will be out for at least six weeks. Source is a player on the fringes of the first team just now. PS I am only the messenger but shoot away anyway. I actually heard an old woman in the paper shop saying this yesterday as she purchased her copy of 'Peoples Friend',there you go not exactly real news is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 From leaving the derby delighted at winning, relieved at winning, gutted that with a wee bit composure it could have been a maassacre and full of optimism for season ahead, we've just had an awful 2 weeks (and only played one game) that I'm concerned might define our season. Remember just by mid December all being delighted that we'd have points in the bag and others might have to play catch up. Yesterday was a horrible day for us. Even the Hobos getting beat was soured with the realism St. Midden and Hamilton are keech. I don't think it has been unrelieved gloom since New Year's Day. The Celtic win at Ibrox was good news since it increases the chances of us keeping in touch with both of the OF. Celtic dropping two points at Hamilton was a bonus. Teams below us have dropped points so we can continue to focus on chasing the top two. Fixtures are piling up a wee bit (but the cup exit has silver lining of sorts in that respect) but Driver and Wallac will presumably be fit sometime. Loss Of Kyle would be a blow, but I thinkwe've looked best this season when NOT pumping balls in the general direction of Kevin's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 We would miss the big man if the story is true lets hope its not!! Whatever I would like to see S Elliott playing through the middle I'm sure he has goals in him playing in his proper position He's different class from Clum, Glen etc and I would rather see the young boy Robinson back in the mix than those two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon Wilson Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I wonder if we could get Lee Miller on loan again? Is he getting a game at Boro? Thats a damn good call, but i think our transfer policy wont allow it. It is a bit frustrating, especially last season when Motherwell had a player of Lukas Jutkiewicz's quality and we had Christian Nade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdewar42 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 K.K.will be missed, but it could be a blessing in disguise if it prompts us to play the ball on the ground. We have the players to do that, (and at speed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Lee Miller or Clarkson would certainly suit the style of play and shape of the Hearts team just now. I just hope there is no dithering over this and we get something sorted out quickly. We've quite a few really important matches for us over the next couple of weeks - ones that will determine how successful we are going to be this season. I totally agree. Although I have never been happy with the make up of our midfield I think that we could do with another forward of at least SPL quality to maintain our 3rd position. Clarkson and Miller have been mentioned, that would do for me but possibly JJ has others in mind. Lets hope Vlad gave the OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgaro Gomis Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I'd stick with what we have, unless we can get an cheap, but good enough, replacement while Kyle is out. Kello Jonsson Zal McGowan WallaceBlack MrowiecTempleton Skacel NovikovasS. Elliott Seems to be a decent team to me, think it would work aslong as we keep the ball moving along the deck and cut out the long ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejtee Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 2 thoughts! Firstly groin problems can be hard to diagnose but it does appear that appropriate specialist advice has been sought. Without all the info about diagnosis and treatment required much of this is conjecture. Secondly and in danger of blasphemy, do we all have confidence in the management to have plan B with what is a big squad? All the slightly bizarre suggested panic buys and loans would suggest the answer for some is NO! Personally don't know but it keeps things interesting! Certainly the talk before the cup game and the evidence from it is that teams may feel they can counter the previous style of play so as others have said we need plan B either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbrown76 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I was speaking to Ian Black yesterday afternoon and he said KK was fit to play. Said Rudi was out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 We will adapt our game without Kev,but we will badly miss his drive and leadership on the park! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomie Hearts Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I was speaking to Ian Black yesterday afternoon and he said KK was fit to play. Said Rudi was out though. the tickertape on sky also had big kev in the squad on saturday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 the tickertape on sky also had big kev in the squad on saturday morning. It did, and to be fair Hearts probably declared him fit to play, however he would probably need injections to play and if Hearts have decided to get him treated then it rules him out for a few weeks, if that makes sense mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 It did, and to be fair Hearts probably declared him fit to play, however he would probably need injections to play and if Hearts have decided to get him treated then it rules him out for a few weeks, if that makes sense mate. I think given Kyle's size and the fact thet he has had previous hernia problem this season I would be very reluctant to play him if he is not 100% fit. The fact of the matter is we do not have a replacement for him and Obua, Elliot and Glen are not reliable. Personally I would try and move all three on and attempt to sign John Sutton from Motherwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I think given Kyle's size and the fact thet he has had previous hernia problem this season I would be very reluctant to play him if he is not 100% fit. The fact of the matter is we do not have a replacement for him and Obua, Elliot and Glen are not reliable. Personally I would try and move all three on and attempt to sign John Sutton from Motherwell. Tell you what mate, that might not be a bad shout at all, it's something different that what we've been talking about and he can't be on big money at Motherwell who appear to be getting weaker by the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Might be wrong, bit don't think John Sutton has played a lot of football for Motherwell this season. TBH, he is pretty "Meh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrie Jambo Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Think we need a replacement to hime whether he is injured or not and i sais on another thread that Sam Parkin from St Johnstone could do a similar role and would not be too expensive an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Think we need a replacement to hime whether he is injured or not and i sais on another thread that Sam Parkin from St Johnstone could do a similar role and would not be too expensive an option. You been on the beer ya bam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboy1971 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Lee miller on loan at notts county until end off season and scoring goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marooney Meister Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Could we not just go and steal the big Sammon from Killie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Don't care, as long as we don't play 4-4-2. Our midfielders are ideal for 4-2-3-1 or some such variation. Plan B should be Elliott up front, with Novikovas, Skacel and Temps behind. At present, Stevenson should fill in for Skacel, and Novi should drop out if and when Driver or Suso is fit. Maybe Temps could fill in for Rudi when we get Driver and or Suso back. This sort of setup would hopefully stop us trying the lump it up to Kyle tactic, which just doesn't work, and which we always do whenever we play badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanes de Silentio Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Could we not just go and steal the big Sammon from Killie? Genuinely surprised at Sammon's scoring rate this season - I always thought he was murder. I've been wrong before, mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Might be wrong, bit don't think John Sutton has played a lot of football for Motherwell this season. TBH, he is pretty "Meh" He always seems to cause us trouble and if you want a cheap replacement fir Kyle and a squad player meh is what you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossthejambo Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Genuinely surprised at Sammon's scoring rate this season - I always thought he was murder. I've been wrong before, mind! He's away to Scun thorpe apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Might be wrong, bit don't think John Sutton has played a lot of football for Motherwell this season. TBH, he is pretty "Meh" Seem to remember a fair amount of folk saying KK would be a "meh" signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahgrassyshoes Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Could we not just go and steal the big Sammon from Killie? Off to Scunnie for ?600000, although Manuel Pascali says they should be holding out for the same fee as Kenny Miller... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 He's away to Scun thorpe apparently. Sadly I think this will be after he plays tom night Really worried about tom night tbh More so than any of our previous 10 games I think the players will show how serious they are against Killie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I was told last night that Kyle is desperately requiring surgery though it will be put off by giving him painkilling injections as we hope to sign cover for him with a couple of strikers already being sounded out. Lee Griffiths on loan from Wolves was one when his move goes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I was told last night that Kyle is desperately requiring surgery though it will be put off by giving him painkilling injections as we hope to sign cover for him with a couple of strikers already being sounded out. Lee Griffiths on loan from Wolves was one when his move goes through. I don't suppose you'll be prepared to name your source but can you say if it's a credible/reliable one, or just someone trying to make themselves look to be "in the know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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