Tazio Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 It really is all about graft for coaches in Scotland. And the gam won't improve until we get past that. FFS Spurs have a skills coach who works with the first team doing nothing but working on tricks etc. One of Martin Jols better ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I agree 100% with you on this. I still think Romanov is here for the long-term and wants Hearts to be a success, but in order for this to happen he really needs to see that he has to not only change his methods but also to restructure the whole set up at Hearts (from youngsters to the 1st team). I personally am ready to put up with dross in the first team for another 5 years if we go out and get top professionals (Scottish and more importantly foreigners) to develop our youth set up. In the long-term that is the only viable solution for success, but I am afraid that ROmanov trusts the people now in charge of the youngsters too much... this is what we need and if Romanov had any ambition then he would do itbut sadly I dont think he will ever do it, thats not to say that I dont think the Academy will be a success just that it wont be as amazing as it could of been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaka1874 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 shaun thompson, the goallie, one of my best mates at school, he is in third year ! fantastic prospect, honistly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 It really is all about graft for coaches in Scotland. And the gam won't improve until we get past that. FFS Spurs have a skills coach who works with the first team doing nothing but working on tricks etc. One of Martin Jols better ideas. I despaired when i saw Murray come out with a bit of paper with plans on it.The sub comes on and goes to centre forward and Murray told him to get stuck in a minute after showing him the plan.Glen who a minute earlier hit the post was moved to the wing.Not once did i notice this coach let any player express himself.None of the players looked like they were enjoying themselves.None of them looked like they would do anything for Murray.Embarrasing to listen to him(Murray) throughout the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeToonJambo Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I think the problem with Copil and Kostadinov is not their lack of ability, but the way youngsters are treated and coached in Scotland and the whole Scottish attitude towards grooming youngsters. I mean how can a lad who has been named as one of the top 50 prospects in the world be awful as some of you say? I bet that at a continental club (Spain, Italy, France etc.) both Kostadinov and Copil would be allowed to develop the things they are good at, ie technique etc. In Scotland, however, in order for them to be succesful they either have to be very quick or more importantly strong and it seems that Murray and Scottish youth coaches in general don't appreciate technical, skilled, albeit lightweight players who don't run around like crazy (as Clum for example). It's sad, but this problem exists throughout the British Isles and is one reason why neither England nor Scotland don't do well internationally. I think Hearts should bring in continental youth coaches, because otherwise there is no point in bringing talented players such as Copil and Kostadinov if they will never be groomed effectively and correctly. I was going to post something very much along these lines, but you've saved me the trouble. Thanks! When Branny went home to play for his country he was, by all accounts, the star of the show. On the subject of the coach, I'll repeat what I said after the last under 19s game. His attitude towards the youngsters is appalling. To sub a player 5 minutes before half time is ridiculous. It must really knock his confidence. I don't disagree with the substitution as Copil was having a poor game but why not wait until half time? It seems to me that the players have no respect for the coach. He shouted instructions all through the game and they ignored him for the most part. Maybe if he toned down his colourful language he would get a bit more respect. As for the game itself, anyone who watched the lovely flowing football this team played at the start of the season must wonder what has gone wrong since. I know a gale blowing across a very bumpy pitch doesn't help, but they seemed to cope much better earlier in the season. Rocky, in particular, looked totally out of sorts and was slow. I wondered if he was carrying an injury and he was also playing out of position. Hubby also looked a shadow of the player I saw at the start of the season. I could go on but what's the point? Oh, and Gary Glen, as usual, looked a real prospect. Looking on the bright side, we appear to have unearthed another goalkeeper. He made some terrific saves and looked older than his 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 shaun thompson, the goallie, one of my best mates at school, he is in third year ! fantastic prospect, honistly The Hearts site seems to think his first name is Scott???!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Goodness me So the youth that the last slaverings of Vladsheep are banking on as the solution and last phase of the masterplan of Vlad are actually pish as well. Can we not just agree to empty this incompetent Russian/Lith ersehole in any way we can and take whatever consequences that leaves and start again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornhillHearts Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 McGowan junior is having difficulty getting a work permit; Fulton takes 14s, the 15s are the side to watch. Some guff on here, the Under 19s are hit by injury at moment and only one whom knows the background of it all is FJ our roving reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Alexander Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 AirHearts - great post. In many respects the under 17s and Under 19s coach is as important as the manager as they are grounding players for the first team but perhaps that's the conundrum; Is there too much emphasis on preparing players for the physicality of Scottish football at the expense of developing basic skills. Also, do we have enough coaches for the young players? Do we not need specialist coaching for backs, midfield and strikers? Your call for a foreign Coach to head the Unde 19s, etc is apposite. Either that or, at the least, very well respected British coach specialist coach is required. I would accept Stevie Fulton though - perhaps he can move through with the current group he looks after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Another thing i noticed was the 2 wingers role.Both wingers were subbed.Both looked poor.The 2 subs that came on we still played with 2 wingers even though they were not use to that position.What is it with Hearts to play 2 wingers no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I despaired when i saw Murray come out with a bit of paper with plans on it.The sub comes on and goes to centre forward and Murray told him to get stuck in a minute after showing him the plan.Glen who a minute earlier hit the post was moved to the wing.Not once did i notice this coach let any player express himself.None of the players looked like they were enjoying themselves.None of them looked like they would do anything for Murray.Embarrasing to listen to him(Murray) throughout the game. Worrying. Not the 1st time I've heard this sort of thing about this bloke Murray. He seems to be your typical Scottish coach, i.e. not that bright, and a bit of a bruiser mentality to go with it. I've the horrible feeling he is totally unreconstructed and is in the 'Just Get Intae Thum' camp of footballing direction. In short, he sounds no better than a jumped up parent who stands on the sidelines at school matches telling little kids to 'just get it forward' and kick everything in sight, without a thought of teaching youngsters how to play with the ball, and enlighten them with the sort of coaching outline by Tazio in his example of Spurs earlier in this thread. Sad to say, I bet Frail is someone who probably rates his abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Worrying. Not the 1st time I've heard this sort of thing about this bloke Murray. He seems to be your typical Scottish coach, i.e. not that bright, and a bit of a bruiser mentality to go with it. I've the horrible feeling he is totally unreconstructed and is in the 'Just Get Intae Thum' camp of footballing direction. In short, he sounds no better than a jumped up parent who stands on the sidelines at school matches telling little kids to 'just get it forward' and kick everything in sight, without a thought of teaching youngsters how to play with the ball, and enlighten them with the sort of coaching outline by Tazio in his example of Spurs earlier in this thread. Sad to say, I bet Frail is someone who probably rates his abilities. Is this the fecker that just signed a new improved deal as well.The one that Celtic tried to nab as a coach ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Is this the fecker that just signed a new improved deal as well.The one that Celtic tried to nab as a coach ? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 No. Ok cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I feel that the poor standard of young player to have come through the ranks at Hearts in recent years could be down to the way they're coached (Frail/Murray), or the scouting network failing to get the best raw talent out there to come to HMFC, or more than reasonable to assume, both these factors combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sked21 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Branny was played out of position. Having seen him at his best he is clearly an out and out striker. He sometimes doesn't play well but can get on the scoresheet. What makes him better than say, someone like Makela in that department, is that he also has very good pace and a great first touch. From my personal opinion, the team every week when all fit should be. -----------Bjornsson------------ Kelly---McGowan Balatoni---Brown --------Stewart Mearns---------- Templeton---------------Visconte --------Kostadinov Glen---------- That team would **** the under-19s team no bother. The trouble is it is never picked two weeks running because of injuries, international duty and rotating the team. That means there are games where the team is clearly disjointed and this has started affecting the confidence of the players. Rocky Visconte inparticular looked like he was playing with zero confidence today. It didn't help he was played on the right wing. No Rapnik? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeToonJambo Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 No Rapnik? He was a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaka1874 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 The Hearts site seems to think his first name is Scott???!!! Its shaun he is in most of my classes, i played football with him when he played with bonnyrigg rose too ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 No Rapnik? At left back Jonny Brown gives the team more of a option going forward. At centre half Conrad is more commanding. That's just my opinion of course and I do think Rapnik is a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 At left back Jonny Brown gives the team more of a option going forward. At centre half Conrad is more commanding. That's just my opinion of course and I do think Rapnik is a good player. They've kinda messed Rapnik around - playing him in midfield when Gowser was at centre half when it would be better the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 They've kinda messed Rapnik around - playing him in midfield when Gowser was at centre half when it would be better the other way around. Agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 The Hearts site seems to think his first name is Scott???!!! ****, that was my fault. Got a copy of the team sheet and somehow lost it before I got home. Knew the name of every other player and tried to remember from what I'd heard. Idiot Kaka, apologise to your mate for me. Tell him I'll get it right next time. He made some excellent saves. Incidently, think it's quite funny that Scott Robinson's nickname is 'Paul'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sked21 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 He was a sub. Yeah I know mate. ForresterJambo was saying his starting eleven for the 19s and I was wondering why he did not include Matej Rapnik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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