Well done George Galloway

[wibble]

.. and the people behind http://www.vivapalestina-us.org/

 

Helped highlight the problems created, not only by Israels but also by other Arab nations in getting medicine to the Palestinian people.

 

You don't have to like Galloway, but you have to respect the fact that he doesn't always tow the party line.

[Miller Jambo 60]

.. and the people behind http://www.vivapalestina-us.org/

 

Helped highlight the problems created, not only by Israels but also by other Arab nations in getting medicine to the Palestinian people.

 

You don't have to like Galloway, but you have to respect the fact that he doesn't always tow the party line.

 

You are right, i dont like him.

Should be exported out of Britain to places where he would be welcomed.

A traitor.

[Boris]

You are right, i dont like him.

Should be exported out of Britain to places where he would be welcomed.

A traitor.

 

Hardly a traitor Doug.

 

Ok, his politics aren't everyones cup of PG, but despite his media portrayal I think that he is a man of principle.

 

Good luck to him.

[Arafat]

A great effort from GG and all members of the convoy, in getting vital aid to the people of Gaza, despite the attempts of the Egyptians to hijack it. Well done George!!

[wibble]

Wee Robin Cook was a man of principle too. There was no place for him amongst the thieves and liars of Whitehall.

 

 

Blotted his copy book with cheating on his wife, but at least he gave Tony the GTF before it was trendy to debunk the Iraq war. Very few can stand up and say they spoke their mind and stood by their principles.

 

Let's not forget also The Dixie Chicks - anti-war and supremely pumpable.

 

 

 

[Boris]

Charlie Kennedy too.

[redjambo]

Wee Robin Cook was a man of principle too. There was no place for him amongst the thieves and liars of Whitehall.

 

 

Blotted his copy book with cheating on his wife, but at least he gave Tony the GTF before it was trendy to debunk the Iraq war. Very few can stand up and say they spoke their mind and stood by their principles.

 

Let's not forget also The Dixie Chicks - anti-war and supremely pumpable.

 

 

 

 

Agreed. On all four counts.

[Buffalo Bill]

I heard that Gorgeous George went up to Saddam Hussein, licked his palm and asked: 'would you like me to be the cat?'

[The People's Chimp]

Hardly a traitor Doug.

 

Ok, his politics aren't everyones cup of PG, but despite his media portrayal I think that he is a man of principle.

 

Good luck to him.

 

Shame his principles let him down when commenting on the Iranian elections this year.

 

His senate performance was, however, a thing of beauty.

[Miller Jambo 60]

I heard that Gorgeous George went up to Saddam Hussein, licked his palm and asked: 'would you like me to be the cat?'

 

That would be the cat that got the cream.

Poor misguided George.

[Boris]

Shame his principles let him down when commenting on the Iranian elections this year.

 

I didn't see/read those...

 

His senate performance was, however, a thing of beauty.

 

'Twas indeed.

[The People's Chimp]

I didn't see/read those...

 

But there are absolutely no grounds for the cats' chorus of criticism and allegations now emanating from some quarters after the cookie crumbled the wrong way....

 

http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/georgegalloway/2009/06/you-can-count-on-the-fact-elec.html

 

IN the blog he also acknowledges that he works for Press TV - Iranian State owned - and I'm sorry, but his principles are right out the window when it comes to Iran. Either that or he's been sold a pup, perhaps easy to do when he sees Western interference as a massive problem. You have to ask, however, where is his solidarity with the man on the street in Tehran, or Shiraz?

 

He says "This massive exercise took place without trouble of any kind - the polling stations were kept open longer than required to facilitate the huge lines of people outside."

 

Have a look at this:

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/iran+basij+member+describes+election+abuse/3466142

 

"In truth the orders didn't come after the election. The orders for all that you witnessed came before the election....the order came that Mr Khamenei has him in mind, that Mr Khamenei has Mr Ahmadinejad in mind for the presidency and so he must be announced as the winner...It was a terrible situation. On the one side I saw the people and on the other there was the order. The answers to your questions go back to before the elections. In the private meeting we had for those responsible for the ballot boxes, it was made clear.The orders were announced as to how everything would be conducted on the day of the election. We were among those responsible for the ballot boxes."

[Denny Crane]

You are right, i dont like him.

Should be exported out of Britain to places where he would be welcomed.

A traitor.

 

How is he a traitor?

[Boris]

http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/georgegalloway/2009/06/you-can-count-on-the-fact-elec.html

 

IN the blog he also acknowledges that he works for Press TV - Iranian State owned - and I'm sorry, but his principles are right out the window when it comes to Iran. Either that or he's been sold a pup, perhaps easy to do when he sees Western interference as a massive problem. You have to ask, however, where is his solidarity with the man on the street in Tehran, or Shiraz?

 

 

 

Hard to disagree, but I think (hope) that it is the case that he has been sold a pup and your point re western interference will make GG sceptical of any western criticism of the Iranian regime. I think perhaps GG is so entrenched that he lacks shades of grey with which to see things in.

[The People's Chimp]

Hard to disagree, but I think (hope) that it is the case that he has been sold a pup and your point re western interference will make GG sceptical of any western criticism of the Iranian regime. I think perhaps GG is so entrenched that he lacks shades of grey with which to see things in.

 

You could be right. I think that he does sometimes take such an entrenched position it can leave him stuck. You can see in the article that he considers the demonstrators to be bourgeois dilettantes and not the true voice of the Iranian people. But how can you support a murderous - and incredibly corrupt* - regime simply because you imagine they have the support of an illiterate poor who vote on religious grounds.

 

*for instance look up corruption and bonyads.

[Boris]

You could be right. I think that he does sometimes take such an entrenched position it can leave him stuck. You can see in the article that he considers the demonstrators to be bourgeois dilettantes and not the true voice of the Iranian people. But how can you support a murderous - and incredibly corrupt* - regime simply because you imagine they have the support of an illiterate poor who vote on religious grounds.

 

*for instance look up corruption and bonyads.

 

Indeed, although he does try to show independence by castigating the regime for its holocaust denying.

 

What I've never managed to get my head around is how the Left is happy to side with theocratic political movements, simply because they are anti-Israeli/American.

 

Misses the point completely imo.

[i8hibsh]

.. and the people behind http://www.vivapalestina-us.org/

 

Helped highlight the problems created, not only by Israels but also by other Arab nations in getting medicine to the Palestinian people.

 

You don't have to like Galloway, but you have to respect the fact that he doesn't always tow the party line.

 

I respect Galloway and admire how articulate he is - however he is a Member of the UK Parliament and I think he needs to concentrate more on matters on our own doorstep.

 

everytime you see him he is the voice of some minority or oppressed people. Start doing your job man!

 

I don't know how his constituents accept it

[BUG]

your right dont have to like him ...and the vast majority of people dont.Self promoting **** who cheated on his wife.........but his senate preformance was fantastic.

[Uberjambo]

The majority of his constituents are not originally from that constituency. London somewhere iirc.

[i8hibsh]

The majority of his constituents are not originally from that constituency. London somewhere iirc.

 

Yes it is a hugely multi cultural constituency but let their own countries look after them then - we pay him to concentrate on ours.

[Uberjambo]

Yes it is a hugely multi cultural constituency but let their own countries look after them then - we pay him to concentrate on ours.

 

Too late for that- They are British (in passport and benefits) now.

[Boris]

The majority of his constituents are not originally from that constituency. London somewhere iirc.

 

I'd say that could be said for nigh on all of the parliamentary constituencies in Great Britain i.e. most constituents aren't originally from that constituency.

 

Yes it is a hugely multi cultural constituency but let their own countries look after them then - we pay him to concentrate on ours.

 

MP's are paid to look after their constituents interests. Those constituents of Bethnal Green and Bow who are immigrants no doubt contribute to the local economy and the national economy too via tax, which in turn pays for MPs salaries. So really the "we" you refer to includes those you are castigating.

[Walter Kidd]

George Galloway is the last of a dying breed. A man who stands up for his beliefs and is also a wonderful orator.

 

If only there was more of his ilk in the dead New Labour.

[Big D]

I respect Galloway and admire how articulate he is - however he is a Member of the UK Parliament and I think he needs to concentrate more on matters on our own doorstep.

 

everytime you see him he is the voice of some minority or oppressed people. Start doing your job man!

 

I don't know how his constituents accept it

 

In the same way the people of Kirkcaldy accept Gordon Brown doing the same. If the U.K. still wants to pretend it matters on the world stage you have to accept any U.K. MPs duty to meddle in the affairs of former colonies regardless of which Empire they escaped from.

[Boris]

George Galloway is the last of a dying breed. A man who stands up for his beliefs and is also a wonderful orator.

 

If only there was more of his ilk in the dead New Labour.

 

There were few if any of his ilk in New Labour.

 

Once Blair took over it was no longer a socialist party.

[i8hibsh]

I'd say that could be said for nigh on all of the parliamentary constituencies in Great Britain i.e. most constituents aren't originally from that constituency.

 

 

 

MP's are paid to look after their constituents interests. Those constituents of Bethnal Green and Bow who are immigrants no doubt contribute to the local economy and the national economy too via tax, which in turn pays for MPs salaries. So really the "we" you refer to includes those you are castigating.

 

Nonsense Boris.

 

'We' as in (the UK taxpayer) pay for the upkeep of one country and one country and one country alone - the UK

 

If poeple want to live here from outside the Uk then I embrace it - I genuinely do PROVIDING they contribute and tow the line.

 

They as British subjects are out responsibility - the country they come form is most certainyl not.

[Walter Kidd]

There were few if any of his ilk in New Labour.

 

Once Blair took over it was no longer a socialist party.

 

More's the pity.

[The People's Chimp]

George Galloway is the last of a dying breed. A man who stands up for his beliefs and is also a wonderful orator.

 

If only there was more of his ilk in the dead New Labour.

 

I agree with all of that. Just a shame he has, like Boris has said, along with many on the left, thrown his hat in with neo-fascist islamists and theocrats in order to stand up for his beliefs.

[Boris]

Nonsense Boris.

 

'We' as in (the UK taxpayer) pay for the upkeep of one country and one country and one country alone - the UK

 

If poeple want to live here from outside the Uk then I embrace it - I genuinely do PROVIDING they contribute and tow the line.

 

They as British subjects are out responsibility - the country they come form is most certainyl not.

 

So no foreign policy from an i8 Government then? As a former Imperial power don't you think that we have some responsibility to our Commonwealth brothers and sisters? What about Europe, or the "special relationship" with the Americans? If we are paying for the upkeep of "one country alone" whay are we always getting involved in overseas military escapades?

 

Regarding immigrants to this country, I assume by toeing the line you mean keeping within the law? Yes, I would expect that too. I would imagine most immigrants would be contributing in some way too, the vast majority have jobs so will be, er, UK taxpayers.

[Big D]

Nonsense Boris.

 

'We' as in (the UK taxpayer) pay for the upkeep of one country and one country and one country alone - the UK

 

If poeple want to live here from outside the Uk then I embrace it - I genuinely do PROVIDING they contribute and tow the line.

 

They as British subjects are out responsibility - the country they come form is most certainyl not.

 

Are you aware of foreign aid as a means to enhance the infrastructre of other countries, and therefore as a means of stimulating our indigenous businesses' export drives? Are you against this? Are you a communist in favour of a closed economy?

[Miller Jambo 60]

How is he a traitor?

 

Going against the British constitution when we are at war.

supporting our enemies of war.

Not exactly the kind of guy you would want backing you up .

Be one of your heros i suppose, left wing and non British, right up your street.

[Big D]

Going against the British constitution when we are at war.

supporting our enemies of war.

Not exactly the kind of guy you would want backing you up .

Be one of your heros i suppose, left wing and non British, right up your street.

 

My politics are to the left of the current and no doubt future U.K. government. I regard myself as Scottish, not British. If that makes me a traitor then I am delighted. What kind of society wants to support such a small minded, insular credo as the one you are lionising?

[i8hibsh]

So no foreign policy from an i8 Government then? As a former Imperial power don't you think that we have some responsibility to our Commonwealth brothers and sisters? What about Europe, or the "special relationship" with the Americans? If we are paying for the upkeep of "one country alone" whay are we always getting involved in overseas military escapades?

 

Regarding immigrants to this country, I assume by toeing the line you mean keeping within the law? Yes, I would expect that too. I would imagine most immigrants would be contributing in some way too, the vast majority have jobs so will be, er, UK taxpayers.

 

Er where did I say that?

 

I am all for foreign aid and indeed foreign policy

 

Foreign policy is many things like diplomacy etc etc. Not wanting to concentrate on where a british subject was born is not foreign policy Boris - that is stupidity.

 

We probably have British subjects born in all corners of the world and all countries.

 

should we concentrate on that? Or concentrate on the UK?

[davemclaren]

Er where did I say that?

 

I am all for foreign aid and indeed foreign policy

 

Foreign policy is many things like diplomacy etc etc. Not wanting to concentrate on where a british subject was born is not foreign policy Boris - that is stupidity.

 

We probably have British subjects born in all corners of the world and all countries.

 

should we concentrate on that? Or concentrate on the UK?

 

Don't be so submissive and stop tugging that forelock, you're a citizen not a subject.

[Big D]

Er where did I say that?

 

I am all for foreign aid and indeed foreign policy

 

Foreign policy is many things like diplomacy etc etc. Not wanting to concentrate on where a british subject was born is not foreign policy Boris - that is stupidity.

 

We probably have British subjects born in all corners of the world and all countries.

 

should we concentrate on that? Or concentrate on the UK?

 

A massive percentage of our spending goes on what is called defence. This money is actually for the U.S nuclear arsenal based in Scotland, and increasingly supporting troops in countries which are not the U.K. Would you support this money being spent on subjects (sic) of the U.K. instead?

[Denny Crane]

Going against the British constitution when we are at war.

supporting our enemies of war.

Not exactly the kind of guy you would want backing you up .

Be one of your heros i suppose, left wing and non British, right up your street.

 

Not really. Although at times he makes many a valid point, I still regard him as a crafty wee so-and-so who I would err towards the side of caution should I ever have to deal with the man.

In what way did he go against the British constitution? He disagreed like many with the decision to wage war on Iraq but to voice an alternative opinion is his right in British society. Just as you have the right to disagree with him.

As for him not being British, if you read his columns in the Record, he often argues for the preservation of the United Kingdom when discussing the SNP. How is his pro-union stance 'non-British'?

[Big D]

Let's bump it and see if we something resembling sense from the Unionists. Come on, you've been pathetic so far.

[wibble]

I agree with Liquidator that George's stance on some issues is questionable. My point was that here is a man who is not afraid to take a stance on an issue, even when it puts him out on a limb and leaves him as the sole flag-bearer on that side of the fence.

 

I am sure he relishes that position, but he is the last of the few who relish that position. Conformism is the order of the day. You are either with them or against them. Well **** that says George, I am against you - and he has been proven correct on occassion.

 

Perhaps George's stance on Iran is one he has been pushed towards because of the polarisation of every issue. Like I said about the London bombers - the Iran issue has been crafted in such a way that you are either a looney fundamentalist OR you are one of the good lads who wants to see Iran wiped off the face of the planet - nothing in-between. If you speak out against wiping them off the face of the planet then you are instantly a looney. Our own Doug is the classic example of Sun-man. Speak up for Iran/Iraq in any way and you are instantly a traitor. Why are you a traitor for speaking out against a war that wasn't even debated and voted for in Parliament?

 

Personally I would like to see a few more people like Galloway who occasionally kiss a ring or lick a palm because once in a while they might get the ear of some of these people like Saddam or Ghaddaffi or Ahmadinejad and be able to put a proposal to them that steers them towards moderating their ways. What chance did the Bush administration have of being diplomatic with any country in the middle east?

 

(RANT STARTS HERE)

 

We can't all agree with the ways of dictators, but in some regions a moderate dictator is the best a people can hope for. Tito held Yugoslavia together for decades before it melted into anarchy. Saddam was crazed, but the long term future in Iraq doesn't look much better with tribal warfare likely. If Ahmadinejad is toppled we can look forward to a nation ruled by a Taliban. What the **** do people want?

 

Britain is a nation of meddlers and snobs. Peeping through the curtains and constantly hoping to see people fall. If the neighbours are above them then the Brits aren't happy. Class, class,class. You can be amongst the lowest of the low, but if someone else is worse off than you then there is reason for a Brit to be very happy. Look at how football supporters behave - so long as we can lord it over Hibs nothing else really matters. If we were both in Div.2, but we were above them we'd probably be pretty happy.

 

Bringing down other countries is the best that Britain can do. Dividing and ruling, overthrowing democracies and putting in puppets. They've done it for centuries.

 

Just like the nosey bitch next door though, Britain has spent so much time peeping through the curtains that she has lost sight of what is going on in her own lounge-room. The place is becoming a ****hole. Children are no longer well educated, sick people aren't properly cared for, diseases run riot in her hospital wards and a week or two of poor weather brings the country to a standstill. The values of the general public have deteriorated beyond repair and society appears to be on a precipice. The lumpen prols are growing in numbers and soon the middle classes will be putting bars on their mock tudor windows and barbed wire around the privet.

 

What will Britain do about all these horrors in her own house? She'll try to make sure that other countries are worse off so she looks better.

 

Stop kidding yourself that Britain ever does anything for the good of another country and realise that the world has moved on. Britain no longer matters and are now as big a player as Italy or Spain.

 

(RANT ENDETH HERE)

[davemclaren]

I agree with Liquidator that George's stance on some issues is questionable. My point was that here is a man who is not afraid to take a stance on an issue, even when it puts him out on a limb and leaves him as the sole flag-bearer on that side of the fence.

 

I am sure he relishes that position, but he is the last of the few who relish that position. Conformism is the order of the day. You are either with them or against them. Well **** that says George, I am against you - and he has been proven correct on occassion.

 

Perhaps George's stance on Iran is one he has been pushed towards because of the polarisation of every issue. Like I said about the London bombers - the Iran issue has been crafted in such a way that you are either a looney fundamentalist OR you are one of the good lads who wants to see Iran wiped off the face of the planet - nothing in-between. If you speak out against wiping them off the face of the planet then you are instantly a looney. Our own Doug is the classic example of Sun-man. Speak up for Iran/Iraq in any way and you are instantly a traitor. Why are you a traitor for speaking out against a war that wasn't even debated and voted for in Parliament?

 

Personally I would like to see a few more people like Galloway who occasionally kiss a ring or lick a palm because once in a while they might get the ear of some of these people like Saddam or Ghaddaffi or Ahmadinejad and be able to put a proposal to them that steers them towards moderating their ways. What chance did the Bush administration have of being diplomatic with any country in the middle east?

 

(RANT STARTS HERE)

 

We can't all agree with the ways of dictators, but in some regions a moderate dictator is the best a people can hope for. Tito held Yugoslavia together for decades before it melted into anarchy. Saddam was crazed, but the long term future in Iraq doesn't look much better with tribal warfare likely. If Ahmadinejad is toppled we can look forward to a nation ruled by a Taliban. What the **** do people want?

 

Britain is a nation of meddlers and snobs. Peeping through the curtains and constantly hoping to see people fall. If the neighbours are above them then the Brits aren't happy. Class, class,class. You can be amongst the lowest of the low, but if someone else is worse off than you then there is reason for a Brit to be very happy. Look at how football supporters behave - so long as we can lord it over Hibs nothing else really matters. If we were both in Div.2, but we were above them we'd probably be pretty happy.

 

Bringing down other countries is the best that Britain can do. Dividing and ruling, overthrowing democracies and putting in puppets. They've done it for centuries.

 

Just like the nosey bitch next door though, Britain has spent so much time peeping through the curtains that she has lost sight of what is going on in her own lounge-room. The place is becoming a ****hole. Children are no longer well educated, sick people aren't properly cared for, diseases run riot in her hospital wards and a week or two of poor weather brings the country to a standstill. The values of the general public have deteriorated beyond repair and society appears to be on a precipice. The lumpen prols are growing in numbers and soon the middle classes will be putting bars on their mock tudor windows and barbed wire around the privet.

 

What will Britain do about all these horrors in her own house? She'll try to make sure that other countries are worse off so she looks better.

 

Stop kidding yourself that Britain ever does anything for the good of another country and realise that the world has moved on. Britain no longer matters and are now as big a player as Italy or Spain.

 

(RANT ENDETH HERE)

 

And a very melodramatic rant at that.

[wibble]

And a very melodramatic rant at that.

 

Agreed.

[davemclaren]

Agreed.

 

That's your style. You should have been a politician.

[Tazio]

Breaking news on the BBC site, he's just been deported from Egypt.

[Therapist]

.. and the people behind http://www.vivapalestina-us.org/

 

Helped highlight the problems created, not only by Israels but also by other Arab nations in getting medicine to the Palestinian people.

 

You don't have to like Galloway, but you have to respect the fact that he doesn't always tow the party line.

 

Sometimes he doesn't even toe it either.

 

Galloway is a grade-A plum. Anyone who goes on Celeb Big Brother and pretends to be a pussy is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.

 

Although my politics are to the right of centre , I do respect a lefty such as George Canavan, a true man of principle. You'd never catch him on CBB kow-towing to Rula Lenska.

[wibble]

Sometimes he doesn't even toe it either.

 

 

Correcting people's spelling on message-board's really is a sign that you have major issues. Sad, sad man.

[Therapist]

Correcting people's spelling on message-board's really is a sign that you have major issues. Sad, sad man.

 

It's nothing to do with spelling as I'm sure you know the difference between tow and toe. You simply misunderstand the meaning and context of the saying.

 

If that makes me sad, then so be it.

[wibble]

It's nothing to do with spelling as I'm sure you know the difference between tow and toe. You simply misunderstand the meaning and context of the saying.

 

If that makes me sad, then so be it.

 

I understand the context of the saying. It's an army or navy thing. I simply mis-spelled it.

 

Regardless of whether you thought I had mis-spelled it or whether I hadn't grasped the historic origin of the phrase it still makes you a pedant for picking up on it when the intended meaning was clear.

 

I didn't need this to convince me you were a sad-sack anyway.

[I P Knightley]

I understand the context of the saying. It's an army or navy thing. I simply mis-spelled it.

 

Regardless of whether you thought I had mis-spelled it or whether I hadn't grasped the historic origin of the phrase it still makes you a pedant for picking up on it when the intended meaning was clear.

 

I didn't need this to convince me you were a sad-sack anyway.

 

It's actually a House of Commons thing.

 

In front of each set of front benches, there's a maroon line in the carpet.

 

 

The distance across the floor between the lines is such that if your feet (toes) are behind your own lines, you can draw your sword and no matter how much you waggle it around, you're not able to engage your opposite number in a fight.

 

The phrase "toe the line" is, therefore, to do with staying on your own side of the party divide.

 

 

 

Education for all youngsters out there.

[wibble]

It's actually a House of Commons thing.

 

 

 

Up for debate as all these things are. Wikipedia says House of commons and/or Naval. There'll be others that claim Army and the likes too.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line

[IronJambo]

I respect Galloway and admire how articulate he is - however he is a Member of the UK Parliament and I think he needs to concentrate more on matters on our own doorstep.

 

everytime you see him he is the voice of some minority or oppressed people. Start doing your job man!

 

I don't know how his constituents accept it

 

I'm one of his constituents and to be honest it doesn't bother me. I have said in the past i would never vote for him but i'm not convinced by that anymore. A few points to note

 

 

56% of his constituents are ethnic minorities (at least, not white britons). who would you vote for if you were one of them?

 

He works very hard and listens to people, then fights for what they want/need.

 

He doesn't neglect his constituents in the way that you maybe think he does, he quite clearly works very hard out of hours to acheive things outside his constituency.

 

here's a link to his website. i think he works very hard for his people, and right now i'm struggling to think of a better MP to have on my side http://www.georgegalloway.com/page.php?page=content/constituents.html

 

its a shame that he mostly gets in the headlines for reasons that irk you're average joe, because if every MP worked as hard and cared as much as him then this country wouldn't be in the mess its in right now

[billco98]

Hardly a traitor Doug.

 

Ok, his politics aren't everyones cup of PG, but despite his media portrayal I think that he is a man of principle.

 

Good luck to him.

 

I agree, Boris.

 

I don't agree with everything he stands for but as far as Palestine is concerned I am in total agreement with him.

 

The BBC have virtually ignored what has been a concerted effort by Pro-Palestinian groups to deliver aid to blockaded and destitute Gaza, for fear of offending their pro-zionist heirarchy. The Egyptian government has once again been exposed for what it is - a toadying, a**e licking appeaser of Zionist war criminals in Israel, the US and Europe.

 

Well done George Galloway for at least provoking a reaction, no matter how unsympathetic or late in the day, from the BBC.