Charlie-Brown Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 LOL. QED. We've signed numerous Scottish & British players from other clubs at reserve & youth level as our Academy staff identified these players as the best prospect available to us in the transfer market that we have the opportunity of signing and Romanov backed their judgement in releasing funds to sign them. Over ?20K for 2 Stenny apprentices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Every player Motherwell signed will be on less money than the players Hearts signed or be costing Motherwell less than Everton or whoever are paying the majority of their wages - don't tell me Gannon doesn't have budget constraints or has to consider wages / value when signing players. Nemec & Namouski are quoted as saying our offers were insufficient. Thanks for continuing to help make my argument. Csaba doesnt have the option of getting players in on loan. He has to sign them from Romanovs preferred agent list which of course gives VR his backhander and HMFC the opportunity to make a few quid if any of them ever turn out to be half decent (a very rare occurence). You said "I think Gannon signed players far more suitable for Motherwell & SPL football than Csaba has for Hearts" but the FACT is Gannon is choosing from an altogther different pool of players. You are talking rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 We've signed numerous Scottish & British players from other clubs at reserve & youth level as our Academy staff identified these players as the best prospect available to us in the transfer market that we have the opportunity of signing and Romanov backed their judgement in releasing funds to sign them. Over ?20K for 2 Stenny apprentices. That's great. Going into the first team then, are they? Thought not? Every other non-OF club signs these sorts of cheap players with a view to them playing for the first team; we don't. And that pre-dates Csaba, and I assume will continue after he's gone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Thanks for continuing to help make my argument. Csaba doesnt have the option of getting players in on loan. He has to sign them from Romanovs preferred agent list which of course gives VR his backhander and HMFC the opportunity to make a few quid if any of them ever turn out to be half decent (a very rare occurence). You said "I think Gannon signed players far more suitable for Motherwell & SPL football than Csaba has for Hearts" but the FACT is Gannon is choosing from an altogther different pool of players. You are talking rot. Given Csaba's signings Obua, Balogh, Suso, Bouzid etc apart from Black all have been from foreign leagues so what evidence is there that Csaba is targetting the english or scottish lower leagues in the way that Gannon is? Somebody at Hearts is actually signing younger players from these markets but it's not Csaba Laszlo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Given Csaba's signings Obua, Balogh, Suso, Bouzid etc apart from Black all have been from foreign leagues so what evidence is their that csaba is targetting the english or scottish lower leagues in the way that Gannon is? So let me get this straight, Charlie-Brown wants us to get in a british manager and allow him to choose signings from the english or Scottish lower leagues. Isn't that what you' been arguing against for the past 4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 So let me get this straight, Charlie-Brown wants us to get in a british manager and allow him to choose signings from the english or Scottish lower leagues. Isn't that what you' been arguing against for the past 4 years? No, this is what he's been arguing against: Somebody at Hearts is actually signing younger players from these markets but it's not Csaba Laszlo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 So let me get this straight, Charlie-Brown wants us to get in a british manager and allow him to choose signings from the english or Scottish lower leagues. Isn't that what you' been arguing against for the past 4 years? No I've been arguing against your prejudices and pre-judgements on players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Given Csaba's signings Obua, Balogh, Suso, Bouzid etc apart from Black all have been from foreign leagues so what evidence is their that csaba is targetting the english or scottish lower leagues in the way that Gannon is? Somebody at Hearts is actually signing younger players from these markets but it's not Csaba Laszlo ! Romanov doesnt have any preferred agents working down south, the portfolios are that of lower tier European football. The CV's are those of journeymen pros. Csaba has targeted many UK players, only Black has been forthcoming. It matters not a jot to the current first team situation that somebody (probably completely unqualified) is bringing in kids from small Scottish clubs in the hope taht 1 might make it into the first team. Its a completely different subject and has nothing to do with your comment "I think Gannon signed players far more suitable for Motherwell & SPL football than Csaba has for Hearts" which is blatantly ridiculous given the difference in circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 No I've been arguing against your prejudices and pre-judgements on players Very happy to pre judge the apparent latest 3 from Kaunas. They will all be sh*t. Hope this clarifies matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Romanov doesnt have any preferred agents working down south, the portfolios are that of lower tier European football. The CV's are those of journeymen pros. Csaba has targeted many UK players, only Black has been forthcoming. It matters not a jot to the current first team situation that somebody (probably completely unqualified) is bringing in kids from small Scottish clubs in the hope taht 1 might make it into the first team. Its a completely different subject and has nothing to do with your comment "I think Gannon signed players far more suitable for Motherwell & SPL football than Csaba has for Hearts" which is blatantly ridiculous given the difference in circumstance. Quite a few of the players that John Murray has signed from UK clubs aren't much younger than a number of Gannon's signings, except that Gannon is prepared to play young players in the SPL and believe in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Quite a few of the players that John Murray has signed from UK clubs aren't much younger than a number of Gannon's signings, except that Gannon is prepared to play young players in the SPL and believe in them. True, Gannon is prepared to play HIS signings. Maybe John Murray should play his signings too. Oh wait... Too many cooks at Hearts where player recruitment is concerned. Has been for over four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 True, Gannon is prepared to play HIS signings. Maybe John Murray should play his signings too. Oh wait... Too many cooks at Hearts where player recruitment is concerned. Has been for over four years. Not really any different situation compared to Celtic where John Park & Chris McCart identify and sign promising younger players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 Quite a few of the players that John Murray has signed from UK clubs aren't much younger than a number of Gannon's signings, except that Gannon is prepared to play young players in the SPL and believe in them. Exactly the only difference is they are getting a chance while ours are being held back for whatever reason.I mean why continue to sign these players and never give them a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Exactly the only difference is they are getting a chance while ours are being held back for whatever reason.I mean why continue to sign these players and never give them a chance. No the difference is Gannon is signing them (mostly on loan). Csaba does not have the luxury of bringing in players from the clubs Gannon does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 No the difference is Gannon is signing them (mostly on loan). Csaba does not have the luxury of bringing in players from the clubs Gannon does. What does it matter who is signing them.John Murray is but Csaba ain't using them.Gannon knows the market as does John Murray,Csaba on the other hand doesn't.**** sake Csaba doesnt even go to watch his opposition to see how they are playing **** knows how you expect him to scout players from England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 What does it matter who is signing them.John Murray is but Csaba ain't using them.Gannon knows the market as does John Murray,Csaba on the other hand doesn't.**** sake Csaba does even go to watch his opposition to see how they are playing **** knows how you expect him to scout players from England. What complete nonsense. Please get your facts straight. Csabas work ethic is superb. John Murray is not the head coach of HMFC. His role is to bring players to the academy. He has had moderate success at best in achieving that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 What complete nonsense. Please get your facts straight. Csabas work ethic is superb. John Murray is not the head coach of HMFC. His role is to bring players to the academy. He has had moderate success at best in achieving that. Quite an odd thing to say given he brought in all of our recent and current most valuable players to Hearts ie Gordon, Berra, Wallace, Driver & Thomson and others through Hearts Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Quite an odd thing to say given he brought in all of our recent and current most valuable players to Hearts ie Gordon, Berra, Wallace, Driver & Thomson and others through Hearts Academy. So 2 players sold from the academy in what at least 12 or 13 years. Hes been at the club all that time and has yet to find us a decent young striker. At least the latest policy isnt selling our young players to become sustainable.........oh wait a minute. Anyway you still havent addressed your Gannon nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 What complete nonsense. Please get your facts straight. Csabas work ethic is superb. John Murray is not the head coach of HMFC. His role is to bring players to the academy. He has had moderate success at best in achieving that. All right then so Csaba is either a liar or he did ask VR to sign, because he sure seemed like he did at the time Suso,Bouzid,Black and Kucharski out of all the players he could under the available budget in europe except for one country because you say he is not allowed to sign anyone from England.How successful have these players been ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 So 2 players sold from the academy in what at least 12 or 13 years. Hes been at the club all that time and has yet to find us a decent young striker. At least the latest policy isnt selling our young players to become sustainable.........oh wait a minute. Anyway you still havent addressed your Gannon nonsense. If John Murray is so rubbish then why did both Rangers & Celtic recently want him to go head up their youth development? Maybe Csaba should seek his advice on getting the job offers from the Old Firm he feels he merits? Gannon signed 7 players (3 on loan) plus promoted Motherwell's own youngsters who finished below Hearts at both reserves & U19 level. Hearts do sign UK based players and Csaba was also able to sign Ian Black (although doesn't play him as often as he should) so why was he able to sign Black but not reported targets like Stephen Hughes, Paul Quinn etc? Would it be the case that Black accepted Hearts terms but the other players targeted were able to get more money elsewhere? Or does Vlad pick & choose which UK players we sign as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Just saying what I've heard from two scouts, one from Hearts, one from hibs. Certainly it would encourage him to go and find decent young players who Motherwell can sell on. As far as Romanov is concerned, if his goal is to get players through from the academy, give the manager an incentive to play them, by cutting him in on a small percentage of the sell-on. Seems like a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Best thing Vlad could do is bring back Simon Hunt, GB's head scout, with a clear remit to scout the English lower leagues for a pre-approved type of player which suits both Vlad and Shabba. This time last year we were all lauding Shabba's man management skills in getting the best out of average players. He is clearly disheartened at the lack of funds to get the sort of player he is after but with someone with a proven track record of bringing decent players to Tynie helping him it could give him the impetus to refereshen his attitude. Will it happen? Will it buggery. Vlad knows best and Shabba's opinion matters not a jot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 I reakon the last manager to give youth a proper chance was JJ after Mclean left. Look where that got us.....if you blend the good young players that we have in with some experienced heads then the results will improve. When JJ took over he brought through Johnston, Locke, McManus, Richie as well as signing young players like McCann and Cameron. He then brought in Rousset, Bruno, Weir and with the likes of Fulton, Mcpherson and Pointon in there as well he managed to build a team of mainly young players right from the start. Mclean ignored the youth players at Hearts and Csaba appears to be going down the same road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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