Cliffundo Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I would love some sort of compitition were we could participate in games like today on a more regular basis. I enjoyed tuesdays game with our 2nd half performance being a good standard...but todays game was different class and the added edge with the away support made a bit special for a friendly. I would love to see a british cup or league at some point in the future. top 5 clubs from England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales...or something along those lines....aslong as we were involved I would care about the format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Make the League Cup the British Leagues Cup. Local regions until quarter finalish stages. Rotate the final around the counties too. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 The 'Big' clubs would run a mile from it. They have the Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neiljb Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I'd love to see a British knock out cup to replace the rank-rotten League Cup. Basically the SPL, Premiership, Championship and the top 6 from the IFA in Northern Ireland. 64 clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neiljb Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 The 'Big' clubs would run a mile from it. They have the Champions League. Maybe not if the League Cup was binned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 The 'Big' clubs would run a mile from it. They have the Champions League. You could have a decent competition without the big 4. The problem is that given most of the EPL treat the FA Cup as an unnecessary evil until about the semi finals I can't see them taking something like this seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neiljb Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Do English clubs not still qualify for Europe for winning said trophy? You tell me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 You tell me? They do - yet the tournament's still a joke. I used to be hugely in favour of a British Cup - but few sides would take it seriously, and it'd also become a joke once the novelty wore off I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 You could have a decent competition without the big 4.The problem is that given most of the EPL treat the FA Cup as an unnecessary evil until about the semi finals I can't see them taking something like this seriously. Like other have said...bin the league cup and incorperate the new British cup into the season....be a great cash generator for our club and some great days for the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neiljb Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 They do - yet the tournament's still a joke. I used to be hugely in favour of a British Cup - but few sides would take it seriously, and it'd also become a joke once the novelty wore off I'm afraid. It would be a joke for the top few clubs but I'm willing to stick my neck on the block and say that it would be reasonably popular with most of the rest. Certainly more so than the LC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Like other have said...bin the league cup and incorperate the new British cup into the season....be a great cash generator for our club and some great days for the fans. I actually agree with you. But the English clubs treat the League Cup as even more of a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 I actually agree with you.But the English clubs treat the League Cup as even more of a joke. Yeah!...they do...but surely if there was some incentive ie; European place for such a cup, some clubs would actually take it very serious as a route into Europe...except the big four down there...nobody is guarunteed nothing...so it could inspire a few clubs to do their best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Maybe we could have the two Scottish League cup finalists join the English carling cup at some stage. I would rather have a game against any English opposition than a Scottish club. As long as Hearts fans didn't attempt to sing songs belonging to the tartan army like today, most of these ta people hate scottish club sides and especially Hearts because they see themselves as a club team of their own. Basically they are the sporting wing of the snp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts_crazy Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Strangely I was thinking about a similar thing today when I saw how many fans Sunderland brought up. Thinking of all those games playing pishy St Midden and Hamilton and that with their dozen or so fans. The SPL is pish. If the pishy SPL was scrapped as a bad joke and there was an actual British league we may start off in the lower divisions, but with our fan base and the extra money coming in we could potentially do fairly well in a British league. Or am I just being silly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 Strangely I was thinking about a similar thing today when I saw how many fans Sunderland brought up. Thinking of all those games playing pishy St Midden and Hamilton and that with their dozen or so fans. The SPL is pish. If the pishy SPL was scrapped as a bad joke and there was an actual British league we may start off in the lower divisions, but with our fan base and the extra money coming in we could potentially do fairly well in a British league. Or am I just being silly? I would not fancy having to start from the bottom of the English leagues... A cup would be better imo. look at Southampton...bit support and fan base potential...cutting it in the 2nd div...we would stuggle to climb up tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbie754 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Bring back the Texaco cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I would like to see competition with Scottish Teams, me and my mate were talking ages ago about how competition with Scotland could be done and we both thought of what we called 'The Premier League Cup' involving the EPL and SPL, taking the EPL and SPL teams out of there respective League Cups and playing this competition instead, with the winner being granted a European Place, with the final alternating between Hampden and Wembley. We came up with 2 ideas for this orginally, 1 was to have straight KO regionalised with EPL v EPL and SPL v SPL up till the Quarters. But with a competition like that I would do it with straight KO all the way through but each EPL team would play an SPL team in each round, It wouldn't be seeded, just two pots, 1 for the EPL, 1 SPL. Just my own two bobs worth on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 IMO we should like the OF give serious consideration to life outside the SPL. The football world in Europe is ripe for a Revolution like Kerry Packer or the recent Indian League brought to Cricket. Clubs and players will follow the money. We are just big enough to scrape in somewhere in the new set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share Posted August 9, 2009 I would like to see competition with Scottish Teams, me and my mate were talking ages ago about how competition with Scotland could be done and we both thought of what we called 'The Premier League Cup' involving the EPL and SPL, taking the EPL and SPL teams out of there respective League Cups and playing this competition instead, with the winner being granted a European Place, with the final alternating between Hampden and Wembley. We came up with 2 ideas for this orginally, 1 was to have straight KO regionalised with EPL v EPL and SPL v SPL up till the Quarters. But with a competition like that I would do it with straight KO all the way through but each EPL team would play an SPL team in each round, It wouldn't be seeded, just two pots, 1 for the EPL, 1 SPL. Just my own two bobs worth on this I like the sound of this Fozz. I would love something like this to be considered. We would thrive and it would be a cash gerenrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Roller Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Maybe we could have the two Scottish League cup finalists join the English carling cup at some stage. I would rather have a game against any English opposition than a Scottish club. As long as Hearts fans didn't attempt to sing songs belonging to the tartan army like today, most of these ta people hate scottish club sides and especially Hearts because they see themselves as a club team of their own. Basically they are the sporting wing of the snp.[/QUOTE] that is the biggest lot eh pash i have ever read on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 The 'Big' clubs would run a mile from it. They have the Champions League. I would like to see it but that sadly would be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say What Again Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I'd be fully against it. Most points I could offer have been made already. Any 'big' team wouldn't give a monkeys about it. What would England do with the Europe spot? (yes, next league placing - does that suit them all? I doubt it) I can see the polis loving it - busloads of Hearts/Hibs/Rangers/Spurs/Everton etc crossing the border. If this forum and Hibs.net and the grapevine are anything to go by then there's been trouble at a fair few 'friendlies' already It would be wee'er than the wee cup Rank idea IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Hearts v Sunderland on a warm Saturday in August is one thing but what about Wigan v Motherwell on a cold Wednesday in November? I'm not sure if it would work. Cartainly Man Utd and Chelsea would have no appetite for it. How about Hearts staging an annual event involving two English teams, played over the Thursday and the Saturday at Tynecastle? That would give it an edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 What MIGHT work and MIGHT be attractive to mid table Premiership teams is a pre-season Edinburgh mini tournament with Hearts, Hibs and two decent Premiership teams invited. Shouldnt be too difficult to organise. Anything wider than that and during the season IMO is a non starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 What MIGHT work and MIGHT be attractive to mid table Premiership teams is a pre-season Edinburgh mini tournament with Hearts, Hibs and two decent Premiership teams invited. Shouldnt be too difficult to organise. Anything wider than that and during the season IMO is a non starter. Was that not the thinking behind the Festival Cup ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Was that not the thinking behind the Festival Cup ? Yeh but it never really got off the ground much further than an insipid pre-season derby. Not sure I want a pre-season derby but the semi competitive "tournament" structure might attract teams from the middle of the EPL, Spurs etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Maybe we could have the two Scottish League cup finalists join the English carling cup at some stage. I would rather have a game against any English opposition than a Scottish club. As long as Hearts fans didn't attempt to sing songs belonging to the tartan army like today' date=' most of these ta people hate scottish club sides and especially Hearts because they see themselves as a club team of their own. Basically they are the sporting wing of the snp.[/[/font']QUOTE] that is the biggest lot eh pash i have ever read on this forum. In your opinion. I know it's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 ....the semi competitive "tournament" structure might attract teams from the middle of the EPL, Spurs etc etc. Teams in the EPL have 1 priority staying in the EPL. They don't put out full sides in the FA Cup, the League Cup or even Europe so no chance of this taking off. There's very little TV interest in anything outside the EPL or the CL. So total non starter. Might have worked in 1950s ........ Oh it was tried then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Teams in the EPL have 1 priority staying in the EPL. They don't put out full sides in the FA Cup, the League Cup or even Europe so no chance of this taking off. There's very little TV interest in anything outside the EPL or the CL. So total non starter. Might have worked in 1950s ........ Oh it was tried then..... Eh ? I was meaning a pre-season tournament ONLY. A sucessful format all over the place just now. Anything during the season that does not involve bucketloads of money would be of no interest to a Premiership side at either end of the table, or the middle. I think thats what I said earlier ?? (Its certainly what I meant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 In your opinion. I know it's true 100% WRONG. This is NOT and opinion. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned In Oz Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 In your opinion. I know it's true What a complete helmet. No other words needed I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 What a complete helmet. No other words needed I'm afraid. You been to Scotland game recently ? It would be a real eye opener, even if it's not so openly obvious to you deep down they are nationalist nut cases with large chips on their shoulders on a par with your average celtic fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned In Oz Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 You been to Scotland game recently ? It would be a real eye opener' date=' even if it's not so openly obvious to you deep down they are nationalist nut cases with large chips on their shoulders on a par with your average celtic fan.[/quote'] The last Scotland game I went to was a year and a half ago. There is no shame in being proud of being Scottish. I am a proud jambo and a proud scot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200milesfromgorgie Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 bin the english and scottish league cups, dont bother with prems big 4 and we might have a tasty cup on our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 You been to Scotland game recently ? It would be a real eye opener, even if it's not so openly obvious to you deep down they are nationalist nut cases with large chips on their shoulders on a par with your average celtic fan. Yep... still wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 . it should be kept in its own country until the teams playing in Europe join the compeition. . Then everyone enters an UNSEEDED draw that could take the format of either the current CARLING/CO OP cup (one game ET and pens), or the FA/SCOTTISH cup (1 replay at the other teams ground), or 2 LEGS (with AWAY GOALS) . The winners should get a decent some of money. . The winner should get a EUROPA league place (if the winner is scottish then that means one less place gets it in the league or scottish cup that year) . You can be sure that the tv companys will be very interested in this cup and there could be a bidding war for live games and highlights between SKY, ESN, BBC, ITV, CHANNEL 5 (but not setanta haha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 . it should be kept in its own country until the teams playing in Europe join the compeition. . Then everyone enters an UNSEEDED draw that could take the format of either the current CARLING/CO OP cup (one game ET and pens), or the FA/SCOTTISH cup (1 replay at the other teams ground), or 2 LEGS (with AWAY GOALS) . The winners should get a decent some of money. . The winner should get a EUROPA league place (if the winner is scottish then that means one less place gets it in the league or scottish cup that year) . You can be sure that the tv companys will be very interested in this cup and there could be a bidding war for live games and highlights between SKY, ESN, BBC, ITV, CHANNEL 5 (but not setanta haha) I thinkso mate!...I think it would generate a lot of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 A "British Cup" would definately generate a lot of interest for fans outside the top 4 in the EPL, and who knows if it was picked up by a major broadcaster a lot of oney could eventually be ploughed into it, maybe enough for the big 4 to take a little more interest. I have no doubt sky/espn bbc etc would be very interested in the rights to a tournament involving Scottish and English teams. Marketed properly it could be a goldmine and certainly more money would be on offer for Scottish clubs than our league cup offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 .. . You can be sure that the tv companys will be very interested in this cup and there could be a bidding war for live games and highlights between SKY, ESN, BBC, ITV, CHANNEL 5 (but not setanta haha) They don't care about anything but the EPL and the CL. The FA Cup has been shunted around. No one cares about the Oldest Cup competition in the World. Nevermind some 5th rate competition. See the crowds that were attending the later years of the Anglo Scottish Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiewave Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 The 'Big' clubs would run a mile from it. They have the Champions League. Let them. No League cup entry for european entrants, except the previous year's LC winner (in, if that still gets you into Europe). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 let them put out a reserve side if they want. I don't care might mean they are easier to beat and it bloods youngsters for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thig Ar Latha Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 They do - yet the tournament's still a joke. I used to be hugely in favour of a British Cup - but few sides would take it seriously, and it'd also become a joke once the novelty wore off I'm afraid. That sounds like what happened to the Old Texaco Cup. First couple of years were good and then the English Teams got bored and let Teams from lower divisions involved due to a lack of interest from the bigger Clubs. Tournament died due to a lack of interest after a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thig Ar Latha Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 As long as Hearts fans didn't attempt to sing songs belonging to the tartan army like today, most of these ta people hate scottish club sides and especially Hearts because they see themselves as a club team of their own. Basically they are the sporting wing of the snp. Probably the most stupid and ignorant post I have ever read on Kickback. :smell_hobo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymuir78 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I would love some sort of compitition were we could participate in games like today on a more regular basis. I enjoyed tuesdays game with our 2nd half performance being a good standard...but todays game was different class and the added edge with the away support made a bit special for a friendly. I would love to see a british cup or league at some point in the future. top 5 clubs from England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales...or something along those lines....aslong as we were involved I would care about the format. I said we should do, this last season on my site. To get rid of all the countries League Cup's and make it into one big competition between Northern Ireland, Wales, England and Scotland. Just imagine ties such as - Linfield v Celtic, Derry v Rangers lol - thats maybe why it wouldn't happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Hearts have been directly involved in 3 attempts at playing in an anglo Scottish League / Cup. There was a proposed North East league involving Hearts, Hibs, Newcastle and Sunderland at the start of the 20th Century. In the 1950s the 'floodlight league' which was killed off by the SFA nd the FA, replaced by a series of floodlight friendlies. Hearts playing their games at Easter Road. And the Texaco Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 We (the Scots) would be far more into it than les anglaise IMO I love the idea - some sort of League Cup hybrid - the last 4 in Scotland being paired off with the last 4 in England.... But there are too many games as it is and I dont think the English would be that interested in us to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 We (the Scots) would be far more into it than les anglaise IMO I love the idea - some sort of League Cup hybrid - the last 4 in Scotland being paired off with the last 4 in England.... But there are too many games as it is and I dont think the English would be that interested in us to be honest Thats the thing we would tend to want it more than they do. We could do with the buckies it would generate us...clubs in the EPL would not care about a couple of games against us, they allready rake it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Thats the thing we would tend to want it more than they do. We could do with the buckies it would generate us...clubs in the EPL would not care about a couple of games against us, they allready rake it in. The compromise maybe is a one off "British League Super Cup" final where the winners of both play each other. Could be tried as a taster to see what the appetite is for such games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffundo Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 The compromise maybe is a one off "British League Super Cup" final where the winners of both play each other. Could be tried as a taster to see what the appetite is for such games Sounds very good!!! I would like to see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 The compromise maybe is a one off "British League Super Cup" final where the winners of both play each other. Could be tried as a taster to see what the appetite is for such games There used to be the 'Unofficial World Championship' between the Cup Winners. Amongst the winners Hibs winning it in 1887 and Hearts in 1901-02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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