Charlie-Brown Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Interesting article describing how computer & video technology can help managers & players analyse & improve their performances. http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/az-and-its-use-of-computer-analysis.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORTHCLYDE Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 The only thing about that is managers in Scotland think the know better. A number of years ago a university studied penalty kicks and decided keepers should not gamble and they would save more kicks by staying in the middle and saving badly taken kicks and ones down the middle. I thought of that last week Good old Craig Levein and Gordon Strachan know better than any of us. I could have saved 4 kicks last week. As stated whether it is the Largs Mafia or managers like Craig they know it all. The only one who may be clever dare I say it is Yogi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Did CL not have loads of video analysis when he was at Hearts. Done it a LCFC as well IIRC. Re the penalties, there was programme on ages ago about England losing loads of shoots outs. Someone done a study and basically said that the best penalty takers should go first, as most shoot outs dont go all the way, that way your're guaranteeing that your best takers are getting a shot. The likes of Venebales and all these other old worthies, just laughed at theidea and said it was rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Interesting article describing how computer & video technology can help managers & players analyse & improve their performances. http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/az-and-its-use-of-computer-analysis.html Thanks for that, Charlie. I'm a big believer in technology and 'after hours' research/homework for players. Arene Wenger has some good tricks too, like the computer that shows 'bird's eye' where his players should have been/could have been at key moments. It's all about getting ahead. All our young players at Riccarton should be drilled round the clock in terms of diet, exercise, pace, coaching, mentality, resting, tactics, formations etc. I'm talking 24/7. We don't need to spend milions on individual players. We should spent it on Riccarton. Buffalo Bill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thanks for that, Charlie. I'm a big believer in technology and 'after hours' research/homework for players. Arene Wenger has some good tricks too, like the computer that shows 'bird's eye' where his players should have been/could have been at key moments. It's all about getting ahead. All our young players at Riccarton should be drilled round the clock in terms of diet, exercise, pace, coaching, mentality, resting, tactics, formations etc. I'm talking 24/7. We don't need to spend milions on individual players. We should spent it on Riccarton. Buffalo Bill . While I agree totally with what you say BB, just 2 observations - we should not become slaves to technology:it's a question of balance - history shows that not all young players are prepared to make life-style sacrifices while their mates are out enjoying themselves with birds and booze etc. If however we get a good proportion through we will do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 While I agree totally with what you say BB, just 2 observations - we should not become slaves to technology:it's a question of balance - history shows that not all young players are prepared to make life-style sacrifices while their mates are out enjoying themselves with birds and booze etc. If however we get a good proportion through we will do well. Re technology, I agree that it needs to be the right balance but we should still embrace it. If we're cutting back on spending, then we need to crank up the standard of our youngsters coming through. Sorry, but if they can't accept the lifestyle challenge then bin them. We need these guys (and their coaches) to be real proper pros, and I bet if 'X' can't handle that then 'Y' will be waiting in the wings to take his place. I strongly believe that we should be getting more out of the players at all levels and in all manners of ways. The list on my previous post is a decent starting point. They're living the dream, and getting paid well for it. Therefore, they need to give their all for it and nothing less. That includes the 'theory' and techological sides. Buffalo Bill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 While I agree totally with what you say BB, just 2 observations - we should not become slaves to technology:it's a question of balance - history shows that not all young players are prepared to make life-style sacrifices while their mates are out enjoying themselves with birds and booze etc. If however we get a good proportion through we will do well. Just an add on to that. Re booze. I think the players should be well rewarded for success, and if that includes booze binges and open top buses then great. Players enjoying their success will give them a thirst for more and I'm all for that. Buffalo Bill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Just an add on to that. Re booze. I think the players should be well rewarded for success, and if that includes booze binges and open top buses then great. Players enjoying their success will give them a thirst for more and I'm all for that. Buffalo Bill . I cannot disagree with that or indeed booze in moderation the odd night during the week. I was thinking of younger players getting blootered with their mates on a regular basis and getting into bad habits (there is a prime example at Fester Road). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 IIRC....... Hearts used Computer Analysis when Malofeev was in charge. I seem to remember Alex Koslovski wittering on about it when he was fronting the Press Conferences. I'd prefere it if we just got on with playing the game the old fashioned way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thanks for that, Charlie. I'm a big believer in technology and 'after hours' research/homework for players. Arene Wenger has some good tricks too, like the computer that shows 'bird's eye' where his players should have been/could have been at key moments. It's all about getting ahead. All our young players at Riccarton should be drilled round the clock in terms of diet, exercise, pace, coaching, mentality, resting, tactics, formations etc. I'm talking 24/7. We don't need to spend milions on individual players. We should spent it on Riccarton. Buffalo Bill . Been saying that very thing for ages BB. We could do with taking a leaf out of American sports in alot of other areas too ..... medical practice for starters!!! Scottish football is so far behind the times it's not even funny anymore. The previous incumbents, as well as the current muppets at the SFA have alot to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 IIRC....... Hearts used Computer Analysis when Malofeev was in charge. I seem to remember Alex Koslovski wittering on about it when he was fronting the Press Conferences. I'd prefere it if we just got on with playing the game the old fashioned way. Yes, it was used to denigrate Hearts fans who thought that Barasa wasn't a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Yes, it was used to denigrate Hearts fans who thought that Barasa wasn't a very good player. He must have been using a Commodore 64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Thanks for that, Charlie. I'm a big believer in technology and 'after hours' research/homework for players. Arene Wenger has some good tricks too, like the computer that shows 'bird's eye' where his players should have been/could have been at key moments. It's all about getting ahead. All our young players at Riccarton should be drilled round the clock in terms of diet, exercise, pace, coaching, mentality, resting, tactics, formations etc. I'm talking 24/7. We don't need to spend milions on individual players. We should spent it on Riccarton. Buffalo Bill . I would agree, technology can be used to great effect in football, if you can see what you are doing wrong it makes it alot easier to learn. I saw something before about Rafa Benitiz and how he uses technology and it benefits both the player in developing and manager in trying to find faults which can be solved by the manager. Though 24/7 is a too much, youngsters that learn football do have a life and are facing a diffucult period in their growth so that should be taken into accout. I think some players go out and drink too much. There has to be some sacrifices and drinking less should be one. The coaches and club need to help the young players and keep them on the straight and narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I would agree, technology can be used to great effect in football, if you can see what you are doing wrong it makes it alot easier to learn. I saw something before about Rafa Benitiz and how he uses technology and it benefits both the player in developing and manager in trying to find faults which can be solved by the manager. Though 24/7 is a too much, youngsters that learn football do have a life and are facing a diffucult period in their growth so that should be taken into accout. I think some players go out and drink too much. There has to be some sacrifices and drinking less should be one. The coaches and club need to help the young players and keep them on the straight and narrow. In the past few years, with the exception of the Lee Wallace incident, the conduct of the Hearts youth players has been beyond reproach hasn't it? The coaches and young players deserve credit for that. The likes of Gordon, Neilson, Berra, Jonsson etc are a complete credit to themselves and the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Jambo 60 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Just an add on to that. Re booze. I think the players should be well rewarded for success, and if that includes booze binges and open top buses then great. Players enjoying their success will give them a thirst for more and I'm all for that. Buffalo Bill . Birds and booze is part of the package apart from one JOHN NANCY COLLINS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I would agree, technology can be used to great effect in football, if you can see what you are doing wrong it makes it alot easier to learn. I saw something before about Rafa Benitiz and how he uses technology and it benefits both the player in developing and manager in trying to find faults which can be solved by the manager. Though 24/7 is a too much, youngsters that learn football do have a life and are facing a diffucult period in their growth so that should be taken into accout. I think some players go out and drink too much. There has to be some sacrifices and drinking less should be one. The coaches and club need to help the young players and keep them on the straight and narrow. Sorry mate, I don't mean they should have to train or 'study' 24/7 but remember what they are 24/7; even when it comes to relaxing, socialising and hopefully celebrating. 'Enjoy a drink if you win' sort of thing; and all that goes with a winning mentality and the desire for more. Buffalo Bill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 IIRC....... Hearts used Computer Analysis when Malofeev was in charge. I seem to remember Alex Koslovski wittering on about it when he was fronting the Press Conferences. I'd prefere it if we just got on with playing the game the old fashioned way. Don't let Mad Eddie and his Spectrum put you off for life! Even people from Drylaw are using computers these days! Buffalo Bill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 In the past few years, with the exception of the Lee Wallace incident, the conduct of the Hearts youth players has been beyond reproach hasn't it? The coaches and young players deserve credit for that. The likes of Gordon, Neilson, Berra, Jonsson etc are a complete credit to themselves and the club. I would agree with you there. We have many young players that were real proffesionals and long may that continue but i think we still need coaches to look out for the younger players. Even Lee Wallace's conduct was not really that bad, he had a bb gun in a car hidden away and when the police stopped the car he informed them that he had that. Certainly better than the flairmeisters who attack bouncers and always seem to get arrested. There was an story in the paper yesterday that John Fleck had been chucked out of a nightclub in Glasgow. On closer inspection the story actually tells that Fleck and his friends were in the nightclub (he is 17, dont know how he got in) and a group of Neds started going at his friends, shouting abuse etc, then one of Fleck's friends snapped and lashed out. The group were chucked out. Point is that any promising youngster needs to be wary and I would say the best thing in that situation is to tell your friends that you need to leave or seek the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knoxyjambo Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I'm sure Malofeev was using some outdated eastern bloc technology, showing who was the best at star jumps, wheel barrow races etc. The technology now is amazing, most premiership sides use the 'Prozone' system and most even have a department dedicated to editing footage etc, (sure it costs about ?200,000 for the full works) this was what Levein had used in the past and I'm sure they used to study this on a Monday when he was in charge at Hearts. Allardyce got a lot of joy out of it when at Bolton, using it especially well at looking at other teams set pieces etc. It can only be a help IMO, if you can sit down with your team or an individual and give him real time pointers on their performance it's only going to be beneficial, it makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 I wonder if these were the kind of tools Csaba was talking about here? http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/Laszlo-Give-me-the-tools.4804343.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I'm all for it. Craig Levein was a big believer in it and it never did him any harm. Yogi is probably the most advanced manager in Scotland at the moment in terms of technology which is funny as he can barely speak. He always has his subs cycling at the side of the park as a warm up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdoffstl Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 If we're going to film big Nade I take it we have wide angle lenses in stock:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Levein used to have one of the backroom staff film every game and follow certain players at certain times. He would use this for debreifing the team the day after the game and also proving that fatty Hartson elbowed Judas in the smacker a few years back. Alot of sporting establishments have multimedia departments now! If Hearts are heading down that route then it's a positive sign, and also I'll chuck my hat into the ring as I have trained and worked in TV & Video Production ......... basically, any chance of a job Hearts!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 We had this in place for a long time pre-Vlad. Fairly sure we are still using it. I'd be amazed if we aren't already using this technology. It would be gross negligence on the part of whoever made the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seebeegee Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 We are still using the technology. Every Monday (or the first day back after whatever day of the week we're palying at) the players sit in the "press/meeting" room at Riccarton and go through the match again iwth the whole squad and coaches. With regards to conditioning etc. all Hearts players (youth academy to first team) receive info on their diet etc. They also use Heart Rate Monitors for training. They also use assessment machines which works out their standard level of fitness (or fatness for Nade) and that gives them a benchmark to work from. The results come up immediately on the computer so they can assess exactly the extent of any injuries/illness and how far away they are away from match fitness. I'm not sure how the readings for "Vlad flu" come through, but I'd imagine its by fax! To date only Heriot Watt and Loughborough Univeristy have the most advanced technology for carrying out these assessments. They're the flag bearers for this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bill Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 We are still using the technology. Every Monday (or the first day back after whatever day of the week we're palying at) the players sit in the "press/meeting" room at Riccarton and go through the match again iwth the whole squad and coaches. With regards to conditioning etc. all Hearts players (youth academy to first team) receive info on their diet etc. They also use Heart Rate Monitors for training. They also use assessment machines which works out their standard level of fitness (or fatness for Nade) and that gives them a benchmark to work from. The results come up immediately on the computer so they can assess exactly the extent of any injuries/illness and how far away they are away from match fitness. I'm not sure how the readings for "Vlad flu" come through, but I'd imagine its by fax! To date only Heriot Watt and Loughborough Univeristy have the most advanced technology for carrying out these assessments. They're the flag bearers for this stuff. Very interesting. Thanks for posting this. Without revealing yourself, do you work or have a connection to Riccarton? Perhaps we could throw a few more questions your way. Buffalo Bill . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seebeegee Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Very interesting. Thanks for posting this. Without revealing yourself, do you work or have a connection to Riccarton? Perhaps we could throw a few more questions your way. Buffalo Bill . I know a few folk that work at Hearts, and I've been out to have a look round. Both the JT's and Heriot Watt are very proud of the facility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 We are still using the technology. Every Monday (or the first day back after whatever day of the week we're palying at) the players sit in the "press/meeting" room at Riccarton and go through the match again iwth the whole squad and coaches. With regards to conditioning etc. all Hearts players (youth academy to first team) receive info on their diet etc. They also use Heart Rate Monitors for training. They also use assessment machines which works out their standard level of fitness (or fatness for Nade) and that gives them a benchmark to work from. The results come up immediately on the computer so they can assess exactly the extent of any injuries/illness and how far away they are away from match fitness. I'm not sure how the readings for "Vlad flu" come through, but I'd imagine its by fax! To date only Heriot Watt and Loughborough Univeristy have the most advanced technology for carrying out these assessments. They're the flag bearers for this stuff. thanks for the information there. I think it shows that Hearts made the right choice when creating Riccarton in partnership with Heriot Watt, as they have a great sports science department that will benefit both Hearts and the Uni as having a proffesional football side having their training base allows them to do some research and teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackhallJambo Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Could we get a discount if we use manual technology for Nade. A map of the pitch and a drawn circle of no more than 5metres around the one spot should be suficient to track him for the 90 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Not so much computer analysis but Csaba needs himself a smartboard (like they use in schools) for in the dressing room. Much better for tactics than a plain board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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