chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Just in from the game (I live in the Weeg) Defensively shocking, we looked all over the place at times, we defo missed Christophe today. I never thought we'd miss him that much though. Midfield wise, they bossed us. Karipidis was **** poor. I actually felt Stewart and Obua earned pass marks, but the rest were shocking. Its not a drama queen post, as I was encouraged in parts with stuff today, but we're needing a massive big leader on the park. Shocking performance from the ref today though, absolute howler. Eddie Fenwick said before the game that the ref would be bad as Romanov was in the country and the SFA would want to ram it up him. He was spot on IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 We have been needing a leader on the park for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Freewheelin' Jambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 2 years - Since Riccie 3. Before that we were fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 We have been needing a leader on the park for years. Fair point, but we missed Christophe's organisational skills in defence today. And before you say it, I didn't think he had any prior to today, but that was evident. Eggert aint no CH either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 We have been needing a leader on the park for years. Berra and Pressley were both excellent captains and on-pitch leaders. Back to spouting nonsense again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Aye Berra was no leader so we certainly wont miss him for that,but perhaps he was a better organiser than we realised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 We have been needing a leader on the park for years. We had one but we gave him to Celtic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Wasn't at the game so can only go by your better judgement but what exactly did the Ref do that prevented us from losing to a Pish team today? Just in from the game (I live in the Weeg) Defensively shocking, we looked all over the place at times, we defo missed Christophe today. I never thought we'd miss him that much though. Midfield wise, they bossed us. Karipidis was **** poor. I actually felt Stewart and Obua earned pass marks, but the rest were shocking. Its not a drama queen post, as I was encouraged in parts with stuff today, but we're needing a massive big leader on the park. Shocking performance from the ref today though, absolute howler. Eddie Fenwick said before the game that the ref would be bad as Romanov was in the country and the SFA would want to ram it up him. He was spot on IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Nobody rates Neilson as an inspirational captain then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I thought Berra in the last 6 months did become more of a leader on the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Fair point, but we missed Christophe's organisational skills in defence today. And before you say it, I didn't think he had any prior to today, but that was evident. Eggert aint no CH either. Because Berra has been an ever present (the undroppable one), i think any partnership in defence will need time to gel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 i think any partnership in defence will need time to gel. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 We had one but we gave him to Celtic Hartley was a good player, but a leader, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Wasn't at the game so can only go by your better judgement but what exactly did the Ref do that prevented us from losing to a Pish team today? TBF mate, they were not that pish. We were but Hamilton passed the ball pretty well today. The ref didn't book one of their players for an absolute shocker of a dive. The ref booked Obua for a foul that was a mistake. He gave a penalty when the initial incident was outside the box, plus it was very very soft even though it was out the box. Every 50/50 went against us today. Not blaming the ref for us losing, but he was sheckt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hartley was a good player, but a leader, maybe? No I said gave him to Celtic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Eggert aint no CH either. I thought he had his worst game of the season by miles last week. IMO we wont sign a new CH and we'll have to get used to Eggert there for at least the rest of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 No I said gave him to Celtic Well who did we 'give' to Celtic? I was under the impression that we gave Hartley to Celtic in exchange for some ?'s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Because Berra has been an ever present (the undroppable one), i think any partnership in defence will need time to gel. Im not doubting that mate, just think that Eggert is not a CH, thats all. Would much have preferred Eggy to play DM, and have Kari move back. Also Kingston is a waste of skin for sitting in the dugout in a huff at HT refusing to warm up with the rest of the guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 just back in myself and all i have got to say is rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 I thought he had his worst game of the season by miles last week. IMO we wont sign a new CH and we'll have to get used to Eggert there for at least the rest of the season Why not Karipidis though. I think he's a much better CH, and Eggerts a much better CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Chester - what's the story with Larry staying in the dugout at half time? Is it even true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Also Kingston is a waste of skin for sitting in the dugout in a huff at HT refusing to warm up with the rest of the guys. Its the Larry Kingston show mate. Not a team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Well...if you play midfielders like Jonsson in defence and defenders in midfield, you get what you deserve. Zaliukas back in aswell. Still no striker brought in to score a goal when needed, had a feeling we'd lose today, Hamilton's recent form suggested we'd struggle, hey-ho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 just back in myself and all i have got to say is rubbish I left with about 20 mins to go as have been recovering from Flu and just could not cope with the cold after that length of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Chester - what's the story with Larry staying in the dugout at half time? Is it even true? It is yeah, sat like a wee kid in a huff refusing to warm up with the rest of the lads. Shocking attitude IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Im not doubting that mate, just think that Eggert is not a CH, thats all. Would much have preferred Eggy to play DM, and have Kari move back. Also Kingston is a waste of skin for sitting in the dugout in a huff at HT refusing to warm up with the rest of the guys. Re Eggert, i would rather if he was not at centre half that he was at right back. Re Larry, another poster on here hoped that with no bids so far forthcoming for him that he might pull his socks up and get stuck in to impress others more for the rest of the season(i would agree with that and hoped that is the attitude Larry would take) , but this little half-time episode shows this may not be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Well who did we 'give' to Celtic? I was under the impression that we gave Hartley to Celtic in exchange for some ?'s. Your impression is correct, but as you know there where two players went to Celtic and one of them was a great leader on the pitch and we gave him away for FREE - Fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Why not Karipidis though. I think he's a much better CH, and Eggerts a much better CM. Totally agree mate. I honestly thought that we would be beyond this playing players out of position gash when we got a new manager. Clearly not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Brody Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Well...if you play midfielders like Jonsson in defence and defenders in midfield, you get what you deserve. Zaliukas back in aswell. Still no striker brought in to score a goal when needed, had a feeling we'd lose today, Hamilton's recent form suggested we'd struggle, hey-ho! Who would you have played at CB then if not Zal or Eggert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Who would you have played at CB then if not Zal or Eggert? Karipidis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Tiresias Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Totally agree mate. I honestly thought that we would be beyond this playing players out of position gash when we got a new manager. Clearly not. Does that not suggest that someone else is pulling the strings?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footieman Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Chester - what's the story with Larry staying in the dugout at half time? Is it even true? Am sure he did it at Tynie last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Looking on the bright side, at least Vlad will have seen the game. We were poor, the tactics and timing of substitutions were terrible. We have no cutting edge and lack leadership. If Vlad wants a place in the euro league he has two days to sign a striker and a replacement for Berra. Otherwise we can get used to days like today as we slip to mid-table mediocrity with the lowest goals for tally in the clubs history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Totally agree mate. I honestly thought that we would be beyond this playing players out of position gash when we got a new manager. Clearly not. TBF bud - Kari looked like a fish out of water when he started to play in the middle of the park. From the reports I have read, he was pretty poor today but he is a very big player in their for us now. Csaba must see a player who can play in the middle of defence - it might take a few games for him to adjust to the positioning side of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troonjambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I left with about 20 mins to go as have been recovering from Flu and just could not cope with the cold after that length of time. i stuck it out till about 5 minutes to go think all the people who went today deserve a medal my biggest worry is the cup we play like that falkirk will cream us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Your impression is correct, but as you know there where two players went to Celtic and one of them was a great leader on the pitch and we gave him away for FREE - Fact We released him*....FACT. When he* was released he had the freedom to choose any club in the world that wanted him, HE* (and not Hearts) chose to go to Celtic(which he was entitled to do)....FACT. I take it we are talking about Pressley here? A 'great leader' is a matter of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 I really really dont want this thread to turn into the usual doom and gloom thread after a defeat, however I think we've been riding our luck of late and have actually deserved to be beaten like we were today. One plus that came out of today was that I met Audioslave, Borthers and my first glimpse of Cosanostra today, top top blokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Without wanting to start a Preslley debate I don't think any Hearts supporter can question his leadership skills. He held our club together on more than one occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Totally agree mate. I honestly thought that we would be beyond this playing players out of position gash when we got a new manager. Clearly not. But Karipidis in the midfield has generally worked out well this season and he has had some good reviews when playing there. Same as Jonsson, he has had some good reviews when playing in centre of defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 It is yeah, sat like a wee kid in a huff refusing to warm up with the rest of the lads. Shocking attitude IMO. He's rapidly becoming a real pain in the jacks. He's a good player but I'm starting to think that a few weeks in the reserves might remind him that if he wants a big glamour move, he'll actually have to be getting a bloody game to start with. Never mind turning in some decent performances. Sounds like a bit of a crap day all round.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flecktimus Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 We released him*....FACT. When he* was released he had the freedom to choose any club in the world that wanted him, HE* (and not Hearts) chose to go to Celtic(which he was entitled to do)....FACT. I take it we are talking about Pressley here? A 'great leader' is a matter of opinion. and thats what this forum is all about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Who would you have played at CB then if not Zal or Eggert? We don't have a choice regarding Zaliukas, we've no-one else. Jonsson at centre-half!? Karipidis in midfield!? Maybe they shouldn't have been so quick to lose Rapnik, at least he's a defender. It's typical Hearts though, we were already short on defenders, now we could be losing two, we've been desperate for a striker since last season when Velicka left yet we do nothing about it during the summer, two days left of the January transfer window and still nothing, this carry-on could and ultimitely cost us a UEFA spot cos Dundee Utd and Aberdeen ain't goin anywhere, shame the powers-that-be can't get their heads round these facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I really really dont want this thread to turn into the usual doom and gloom thread after a defeat, however I think we've been riding our luck of late and have actually deserved to be beaten like we were today. . I tend to agree with that. The way we are set upto play with one up front, more often than not we will have to rely on luck, only problem with that it is a small margin of error and that the luck can just as easily go the other way. The vast majority of our games this season have been very tight, hard to think of a games where we have totally dominated and been in cruise control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 [/b] and thats what this forum is all about Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamdub Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 To all the Neilson love-fest romantics, get rid and put Jonnson into RB forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 To all the Neilson love-fest romantics, get rid and put Jonnson into RB forever. Robbie got ripped for arse paper today big style. Worst game for us since his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Chester - what's the story with Larry staying in the dugout at half time? Is it even true? He did the same last week against ICT too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Sheite all over the park. Could still be playing now and not have scored. Hamilton is a hovel. Fecking freezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 To all the Neilson love-fest romantics, get rid and put Jonnson into RB forever. Agreed. Back to his usual self it would seem, one pass in five staying in the park. Get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The xx Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Karipidis played most of the game at centre-half! Eggert showed today that he doesn't have the attributes to play central defence, he didn't win a header all day. I would much prefer Karipidis back there with Jonsson at defensive midfield. The shocking penalty decision killed the game today although I'm not convinced we would have scored even with the game at 1-0. And that's our main problem, a lack of striking options. Nade was terrible again. He has had one shot on target in the last three games. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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