I P Knightley Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 How good would some sort of wage cap be? Obviously clubs would find ways to get around them, not that they's ever be allowed in the first place. But they'd make the game more of a level playing field and hopefully bring it back to the fans. The ticket prices in ten years could be astronomical the way things are going just now. The English rugby premiership had a cap on wages when they first went professional. It worked on a per club basis so that a club could choose to pay daft money to one superstar but they'd have to share out the remainder, with others getting more modest wages. That was really just a safety precaution as there was no guarantee of the volume of cash that would come into the game. I guess if these oilys have a hundred million to p155 away on one player, then there's no concern about solvency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboy81 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 500k a week is stupid and completely unsustainable for any football club. What happens when all their players want that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishall Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 BBC are now also reporting ?500,000 a week, ?500,00 a fecking week! If this happens it sets a dangerous precident.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboy81 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Nobody would be allowed to tachle him in training. I forsee Danny Mills and Didi Hamann being tied up like Hannibal Lector and left at the side of the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 If true then it is the end of football as we know it. I disagree, I think it is great news. I'm sure the Man City fans will be delighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboy81 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I disagree, I think it is great news. I'm sure the Man City fans will be delighted. I think the ones who have their heads screwed on will be (and should be) a bit worried. If you look past the headlines there is no end to the problems this will cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 BBC are now also reporting ?500,000 a week, ?500,00 a fecking week! If this happens it sets a dangerous precident.... I don't think it does. How many other teams are in the position to offer that? If players are only interested in the cash then they are the sort you don't want anyway - they aren't going to fight for the jersey. Footballers get paid enough anyway - ?100k pw or ?500k pw, in reality what's the difference? (ok, ?400k ) but my point is you can only spend so much. I kind of think that there are still players out there with some integrity who want to play for certain clubs as they have a certain kudos that will rub off on the player. Not to mention the possibility of medals, glory etc. e.g. Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juve, Inter, Meelan, Man U, Liverpool - clubs with international pedigree and respect. (Perhaps also Arsenal, Chelsea, Roma) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I kind of think that there are still players out there with some integrity who want to play for certain clubs as they have a certain kudos that will rub off on the player. Not to mention the possibility of medals, glory etc. e.g. Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juve, Inter, Meelan, Man U, Liverpool - clubs with international pedigree and respect. (Perhaps also Arsenal, Chelsea, Roma) We don't want to see the big clubs being challenged? In Scotland that would be Rangers and Celtic. I'm happy to see teams like Chelsea and Man City get their day. It is good for football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Stinkfinger Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 2 points. 1st. If these crazy Arab types want Kaka then why dont they just buy Milan,i reckon they could buy the club cheaper ? 2nd. Why didnt they offer the Double Glaziers at Old Trafford 1 Billion to buy that club and save all the hassle ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo191 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 2 points. 1st. If these crazy Arab types want Kaka then why dont they just buy Milan,i reckon they could buy the club cheaper ? 2nd. Why didnt they offer the Double Glaziers at Old Trafford 1 Billion to buy that club and save all the hassle ? Why did vlad try buy Dundee UTD before having to settle for us? I mean surely we are a bigger team........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Shows you how big a mess footballs in when Kaka's happy to move to a struggling EPL side purely becuase of the redic amount of money being paid... I'm guessing he's negotiated up to that silly amount of money? If I was a Man City fan I wouldnt be happy, first they sign a player who doesnt even know who he;s signed for and now this. Destroying football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 We don't want to see the big clubs being challenged? In Scotland that would be Rangers and Celtic. I'm happy to see teams like Chelsea and Man City get their day. It is good for football. Man City havent got there day though? They're being fleeced and not improving, building a team of players who dont identify with the club and its traditions, draining them of money and most probably not giving there all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupaJT Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 500K a week works out at ?26,000,000 a year in wages, so for a four year contract with ?100m transfer, Kaka would cost ?204,000,000! I can't see it happening, although you couldn't blame Kaka for moving if that amount of money was on offer. Players are worth what other teams are prepared to pay for them. If i was in Milans position I'd accept the offer. Players can easily go off the boil, get injured etc. ?100m would make a big difference to Milans stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 ?500k a week!!!! **** me! Absolutely ludicrous, would be the stupidest thing City could possibly do. What happens when Robinho walks up next week and says i want the same pay as Kaka, then Richard Dunne (hahaha) demands at least ?150k a week as club captain. Wouldn't be suprised if other more ordinary players are already getting ****ed off and their agents involved after what Wayne Bridge was given- ?100k a week. Unsustainable madness. Hope its only a rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sked21 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 As James Morrison would say "So much craziness...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Man City havent got there day though? They're being fleeced and not improving, building a team of players who dont identify with the club and its traditions, draining them of money and most probably not giving there all. You don't think City will improve behind all recognition in the next year or so? Mourinho will take charge and the players will come as they did at Chelsea. Money talks and it is good to see another team getting ready to mess with the big boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Mourinho will take charge and the players will come as they did at Chelsea. . Ah. That myth that players went to Chelsea when Mourinho was in charge.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 You don't think City will improve behind all recognition in the next year or so? Mourinho will take charge and the players will come as they did at Chelsea. Money talks and it is good to see another team getting ready to mess with the big boys. They wont improve to the standard they should meaning footballs worse off... quality players not playing to the best of there ability. Pretty simple mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Ah. That myth that players went to Chelsea when Mourinho was in charge.... Never heard that myth. It is not what I'm saying or trying to say. The quality wil arrive at Manchester City and good luck to them. They wont improve to the standard they should meaning footballs worse off... quality players not playing to the best of there ability. Pretty simple mate. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Relax, John. That's the gross figure. He'd be taxed & NIed on it. 'kin obscene if it's true and, as already said, another nail in the coffin of enjoyable football. Oh well in that case I wouldn't get out of bed for it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interista Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Berlusconi has said "I hope he's not for sell and stays with us". Of course, he would be making any final decision. Harry Redknapp was at Inter-Genoa last night to have a look at Adriano and, reportedly, Nicolas Burdisso. I also saw him speaking to Mario Balotelli at half time. Gordon McQueen was also at the game for Boro but his intended target, Olivier Dacourt, did not play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dipped Flake Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 2 points. 1st. If these crazy Arab types want Kaka then why dont they just buy Milan,i reckon they could buy the club cheaper ? 2nd. Why didnt they offer the Double Glaziers at Old Trafford 1 Billion to buy that club and save all the hassle ? Off topic I know but I hate the accepted use of terms like these. Can you imagine the furore (sp?) if you had switched Arab for Jew when Chelsea or Man U were taken over??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kearney19 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I think alot of City players would hand in transfers or just freeze Kaka and Robinho out through their wages. I think Kaka will sign but City are about to become one of the most hated clubs in the world with Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 ?500k a week!!!! **** me! Absolutely ludicrous, would be the stupidest thing City could possibly do. What happens when Robinho walks up next week and says i want the same pay as Kaka, then Richard Dunne (hahaha) demands at least ?150k a week as club captain. Wouldn't be suprised if other more ordinary players are already getting ****ed off and their agents involved after what Wayne Bridge was given- ?100k a week. Exactly what's been happening over at Easter Road since Ratboy returned apparently*! (obviously without as many zeroes on the end of the wages!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I think alot of City players would hand in transfers or just freeze Kaka and Robinho out through their wages. I think Kaka will sign but City are about to become one of the most hated clubs in the world with Chelsea. Some City players will take it differently and will be delighted to have the chance to play with these great players. The youths must be excited at the thought of training with the very best in the world. Imagine being a Hearts youth and in walks Kaka. There will be those in football and the media that want Man City to fail as they do want Chelsea to fail. The elitists would prefer to see Liverpool and Man Utd continue to dominate the game down south. It is the same up here with Rangers and Celtic, some people in the game don't want to see an challenge to the big clubs. It is a kind of snobbery, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The wage disparancy issue will be irrelevant as far as i'm concerned. If Richard Dunne comes up and demands 150k a week then the manager can tell him he can either go try find a wage like that elsewhere or apologise and get on with it. Football players are still human beings. They will be well aware of the reasons why Kaka is being offered silly money. In positive news, i'm sure Kaka donates 10% of his wages to charity so that'll be a nice earner for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 500K a week works out at ?26,000,000 a year in wages, so for a four year contract with ?100m transfer, Kaka would cost ?204,000,000! I can't see it happening, although you couldn't blame Kaka for moving if that amount of money was on offer. Players are worth what other teams are prepared to pay for them. If i was in Milans position I'd accept the offer. Players can easily go off the boil, get injured etc. ?100m would make a big difference to Milans stability. For clarity - With the oil price surging recently, his family's wealth has been increasing massively by the day. Every time the price of a barrel of oil rises by $1, it is estimated Abu Dhabi gains as much as $500m (?280m) a day. So one day's profits pay for Kaka to come and play with an extra 80 million left over. And it's even less of a big deal when you take into account the money they will make from the signing of Kaka via image rights etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The wage disparancy issue will be irrelevant as far as i'm concerned. If Richard Dunne comes up and demands 150k a week then the manager can tell him he can either go try find a wage like that elsewhere or apologise and get on with it. Football players are still human beings. They will be well aware of the reasons why Kaka is being offered silly money. In positive news, i'm sure Kaka donates 10% of his wages to charity so that'll be a nice earner for them. Well aware?? well aware that he doesnt want to be there but is doing so to set up generations of his children and grand children for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Well aware?? well aware that he doesnt want to be there but is doing so to set up generations of his children and grand children for life. Because every other player is at Man City for their love of the club and would play for free if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Because every other player is at Man City for their love of the club and would play for free if necessary. No... BUT they dont need to be paid 4 times the salary of the next man to do it. It does breed contempt, we know it does, hibs know it does and so do Chelsea... all on different scales. So tell me... why is Kaka being paid 4, 5, 6, 7 and possibly 8 times the salary of the other players at City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 No... BUT they dont need to be paid 4 times the salary of the next man to do it. It does breed contempt, we know it does, hibs know it does and so do Chelsea... all on different scales. So tell me... why is Kaka being paid 4, 5, 6, 7 and possibly 8 times the salary of the other players at City? Because he is in the top 3 players in the world and could realistically play for any club in the world of his choosing on an obscene wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Because he is in the top 3 players in the world and could realistically play for any club in the world of his choosing on an obscene wage. The above doesnt make him worth that though, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kearney19 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 He wants "to grow old in Milan" Looks like hes not going now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The above doesnt make him worth that though, does it? I don't know. It's all relative. If the backers behind Man City really have a trillion dollars at their disposal then it's pocket change isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hate_hibs Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 If it's any consolation he runs the Hearts midfield with Aguair in my FIFA 2008 team on the Xbox - great support for Kuranyi and Ibrahimovic upfront. I got him for ?38 million, a bargain. They were doing crap when they were trying to sign Robinho, didn't stop him signing. It's all about money imo, they have billions more than everyone else does and that counts because it means they can make offers that even the big clubs can't refuse. Once the clubs have agreed, because they are getting so much money it means the player has to sign I had forgot all about robinho, but wasnt he desprate for a move away from real madrid? A player like Kaka will not go just for the money, he wants to win cups and there more chance of him wining trophys at millian than at man city.. A player dosnt have to sign just beacause they club agreed on a huge fee, the player has to agree aswell. Like you say alot of player will move just for the money, but theres alot of player out there who wont, and i think Kaka is one of those who wont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I don't know. It's all relative. If the backers behind Man City really have a trillion dollars at their disposal then it's pocket change isn't it? Aye I know, that bits fine I suppose but its more the fact that players will look about and think well, he doesnt work 5 times harder than me, doesn't score 5 times as many goals etc so why's he being paid that kinda cash. Ach.. I'm just a bit ****ed off it aint me I suppose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djf Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Aye I know, that bits fine I suppose but its more the fact that players will look about and think well, he doesnt work 5 times harder than me, doesn't score 5 times as many goals etc so why's he being paid that kinda cash. Ach.. I'm just a bit ****ed off it aint me I suppose! Apparently Kaka has spent an hour praying every day of his life. So now you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 Knocked them back, saying he wants to captain Milan and grow old with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 500k a week! Death knell for football as we know it, IMO. The game's gonna implode at this rate. It won't be long before we see a system similar to North American sports - salary caps, drafts etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 credit to Kaka for not going, would be a sad day for football if he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 There are only 4 players in the world that money just wouldn't and shouldn't be able to buy. Messi, Torres, kaka and C Ronaldo. You could maybe put Gerrard into that list too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein Jambo. Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 500k a week! Death knell for football as we know it, IMO. The game's gonna implode at this rate. It won't be long before we see a system similar to North American sports - salary caps, drafts etc. Yet most of the American football teams are still suffering horrbly due to debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFCjamieHMFC Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Yet most of the American football teams are still suffering horrbly due to debt. Not really true the average debt for an American football team is around 200 million. When you think about how Man Utd are in over 600 million and Liverpool are in over 300 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboy81 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7830199.stm Apparantly the deal is "Close" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Fair play to City for ambition but it isn't exactly what they need at present. Kaka could end up in the Championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Is buying star players enough to make a great 'team' ? What about compatability, ego's, personality, attitude & desire etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuanD Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7830199.stm Apparantly the deal is "Close" Sky sports are saying the opposite http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4796557,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 The deal is off but they are gonna buy a "B" list player, whatever that means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 And the deal is back on again according to Mark Hughes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 if he really is a man of god he'll take 50 grand a week and give the other 450k to support the street kids of brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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