Tullberg injured again.

[jambojim52]

Sorry if it's been done

This guy is a liability and needs to be dumped in Jan. Buy someone who can earn his wages.

 

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/Hearts-suffer-Tullberg-injury-setback.4727204.jp

[Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC]

Hearts manager Csaba Laszlo will now consult club medical staff and sport director Anatoli Korobochka before deciding on the best course of action for Tullberg, who has made just two appearances this season

 

:mad:

[loveofthegame]

****ING hell

[bighusref]

What is it that our state of the art training facility does to players? How can we mismanage the health of so many players?

[Legend Claws]

Send him back to whence he came.

[Coco]

What is it that our state of the art training facility does to players? How can we mismanage the health of so many players?

 

He had injuries before he signed I think.

 

Bizarre signing this one. Couldn't do much in pre-season trials but was taken on anyway.

 

He didn't look anything special when he did manage to get a couple of games.

[Rawrrrrrrr]

Hows Mrowiec

 

Tbh signing 2 injured players in the same window is completely and utterly farcicle

[Miller Jambo 60]

Sorry if it's been done

This guy is a liability and needs to be dumped in Jan. Buy someone who can earn his wages.

 

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/Hearts-suffer-Tullberg-injury-setback.4727204.jp

 

WHO

[bighusref]

He had injuries before he signed I think.

 

Bizarre signing this one. Couldn't do much in pre-season trials but was taken on anyway.

 

He didn't look anything special when he did manage to get a couple of games.

 

That may be the case, but look at the injury issues we have had. I suppose I generalised, but I remembered the Soviet Union athletes being fitter and stronger than our British athletes in the past. I felt that we would see a disciplined and fitter team under our Lithuanian/Russian ownership. Obviously I looked at what I believed to be a valid stereotype and from our own club it would appear to be inaccurate.

[Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC]

That may be the case, but look at the injury issues we have had. I suppose I generalised, but I remembered the Soviet Union athletes being fitter and stronger than our British athletes in the past. I felt that we would see a disciplined and fitter team under our Lithuanian/Russian ownership. Obviously I looked at what I believed to be a valid stereotype and from our own club it would appear to be inaccurate.

 

Forward rolls and star jumps just don't cut it these days.

[Miller Jambo 60]

Hows Mrowiec

 

Tbh signing 2 injured players in the same window is completely and utterly farcicle

 

Im Fitter mate

[paulyjambo]

The boys only on loan so why has he not been sent back to reggina?

[Drylaw Hearts]

Recruiting Tullberg has turned out to be another piece of poor judgement.

 

Signing a player who is injured in the hope he will fully recover quickly is a gamble never worth taking imo.

[paulyjambo]

Hows Mrowiec

 

Tbh signing 2 injured players in the same window is completely and utterly farcicle

 

3 if you count DO

[MackaysCentreSpot]

Are the Hearts medical staff and officials useless.

 

Its quite obvious what to do to get Tullberg fully fit.

 

Get him on a plane to Ghana as soon as possible and when he returns he will miraculously be fully recovered.

 

Worked for Larry.

[Coco]

That may be the case, but look at the injury issues we have had. I suppose I generalised, but I remembered the Soviet Union athletes being fitter and stronger than our British athletes in the past. I felt that we would see a disciplined and fitter team under our Lithuanian/Russian ownership. Obviously I looked at what I believed to be a valid stereotype and from our own club it would appear to be inaccurate.

 

Fitness of Neilson and Aguiar on their returns from long term injuries has been superb.

 

But you have to question why so many other players are out for so long with 'pains in their legs' like Kingston or 'a bit of discomfort' like Neil McCann.

[Rawrrrrrrr]

3 if you count DO

 

 

The medical staff at our club are a joke.

 

I genuinely believe that half of our injuries would not happen or be sorted in half the time at other clubs.

 

If Tullberg keeps being pushed too soon serious questions have to be asked, people are forever claiming TR and his team are brillant, but the facts say differently.

[bighusref]

Fitness of Neilson and Aguiar on their returns from long term injuries has been superb.

 

But you have to question why so many other players are out for so long with 'pains in their legs' like Kingston or 'a bit of discomfort' like Neil McCann.

 

Both Aguiar and Neilson had many "setbacks", as did McCann, Bednar, Cesnauskis, Pinilla, Obua, Mrowiec and Tall.

 

Injuries are to be expected in football, yet ours seem to linger far longer.

[Legend Claws]

Are we paying for the boy to go to Denmark for treatment? Are there no good docs in the UK? Why do players always go home for treatment, I see no need for it!

[Dr. Bapswent]

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Robbie-taken-with-Hearts39-men.4727122.jp

 

Robbie taken with Hearts' men in white

 

 

Published Date: 25 November 2008

By BARRY ANDERSON

IF injured Hearts players like Saulius Mikoliunas require assurance that they are in safe hands with club medical staff, a conversation with Robbie Neilson would more than suffice.

The full-back recently returned from a six-month injury absence and harbours unbridled gratitude for those who helped him rehabilitate.

 

Rob Marshall, Hearts' head physiotherapist, has shouldered a mountainous workload this season striving to return Neilson, Bruno Aguiar, Christian Nade, Deividas Cesnauskis and Mike Tullberg to full fitness. He is ably aided by assistants Simon Murphy and Paul Atkinson and club doctor WD Melvin.

 

The primary focus of their attention, excepting Tullberg's recent setback, is Mikoliunas, recently diagnosed with knee ligament damage.

 

Neilson's stomach and ankle injuries ensure he is well placed to offer encouragement to the Lithuanian, who is not expected to play again until the end of next month at the earliest.

 

Knowing his colleague will be distraught at such a lengthy absence, the full-back emphasised the professionalism of those who will rehabilitate him behind the thick walls of Riccarton.

 

"I wasn't expecting to be back in the team as quickly as this, I thought I'd play a few reserve games first," he told the Evening News.

 

"I had a decent base of fitness after working with Rob and the physios, who got me up to a good level. I feel good and that's me played two full games now. It might take me a couple more to get back to 100 per cent, but I'm nearly there.

 

"It's part of football that you will get injured. It's about being professional, which the guys will be. We have the best of facilities at Hearts now with excellent physiotherapists and doctors working together. You will always get the best of treatment.

 

"It's about trying to see it as a positive, getting yourself back in the gym and getting working towards the same level you were at before.

 

"Rob, Simon, Paul and the doc have been great, I can't speak highly enough of them. They've been fantastic with me and anything I needed has been done to a great standard," Neilson was at pains to explain.

 

"It's testament to them that Bruno has come back and been fantastic, I've come straight back into the team after six months of rehab. They deserve a bit of praise."

 

Neilson, to his credit, has played like he has never been away. An impromptu substitute appearance at Love Street, ironically in the same game as when Mikoliunas sustained his injury, provided a way back into the Hearts side which has been grasped with all might.

 

The fact that recent defensive prudence has coincided with the full-back's reinstatement should not be overlooked. He delivered another assured display against Falkirk last Saturday in a game that saw Hearts record a 2-1 win, their fourth consecutive league victory.

 

"Fans say they would rather see a good game than three points, but the more we get three points the more they want three points and the less they want to see the good football," he said.

 

"You eventually get to a point where they will demand the three points, it doesn't matter how you get them as long as you get them. That's how the best teams in the world play. It's not always about playing Brazilian football, especially when it's minus five outside and there's snow on the park, or it's windy and the ball is bobbling all over the place.

 

"It's about getting out there and getting a 1-0 or a 2-1, as we did on Saturday. Just get the points on the board.

 

"Come the end of the season, if we're up near the top of the league, we can look back at a game against Falkirk where we scraped a victory."

 

A key feature of the match on Saturday at Tynecastle was the tempo at which the hosts pursued their opponents.

 

"We had been working all last week on pressing teams and getting on the front foot," said Neilson.

 

"We have a lot of pace in defence, any balls over the top they will get nine times out of ten.

 

"That's a bit of insurance for us if we play a pressing game and that's something the manager is trying to implement.

 

"The boys are taking it on board and I was disappointed to lose the goal against Falkirk. I thought it was sloppy, we need to get back to clean sheets again," he went on. There wasn't a lot of great football played but Falkirk are a decent team, even though they had a few injuries, and we knew they would make it difficult.

 

"In the past we've sat in and tried to hit on the break but the manager wanted us to press up a bit more.

 

"In the first half it didn't really work for us, I thought we sat a bit deep."

 

Neilson explained that Laszlo had laid out where he thought his side was going wrong during the interval. "The manager spoke at half-time about what he expected from midfielders and defenders and I thought second half we created more space for the likes of Ruben Palazuelos and Bruno to get on the ball.

 

"It's a big confidence boost for the team to know that, if you go a goal in front, you can hang on to it. Likewise, if you go a goal behind like Saturday, you have that bit of quality to get back in the game. Confidence is a big thing here and I still don't think we are at full confidence.

 

"We go through fits and starts in games when we aren't playing as well as we can, but on the whole we are making progress."

[Generic Username]

You do sometimes wonder if guys like this are just taking the crap or not.

 

I wouldn't even bother deciding on a course of action RE his injury, I'd just cancel the loan and tell him we'll come back in for him if/when he gets himself fit.

 

There is absolutely zero point in him being here for a season if he's injured.

[Walter Kidd]

Wage thief

[Rawrrrrrrr]

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Robbie-taken-with-Hearts39-men.4727122.jp

 

 

Its all great him saying that but I have never seen anywere it stated exactly what was wrong with Neilson.

[Billy the Jambo]

Get rid of this waster now he is as bad as Beslija and Pinnilla and we can also get rid of Mroweic while we are doing that .How about signing players who are fit for a change and to think we used to laugh at the huns for signing players who were injured like Prodan and the like

[MackaysCentreSpot]

Its all great him saying that but I have never seen anywere it stated exactly what was wrong with Neilson.

 

Read post #20

 

Tells you in there what exactly was wrong with Neilson.

[Victorian]

The medical staff at our club are a joke.

 

I genuinely believe that half of our injuries would not happen or be sorted in half the time at other clubs.

 

If Tullberg keeps being pushed too soon serious questions have to be asked, people are forever claiming TR and his team are brillant, but the facts say differently.

are you a doctor or some other medical expert now?

 

what do you base your "joke" assessment on? could it not just be that certain players are too injury prone or that the training methods employed are contributing to injuries.

 

come on then, let's see some underpinning evidence as to how & why the medical staff are a "joke".

[Rawrrrrrrr]

Read post #20

 

Tells you in there what exactly was wrong with Neilson.

 

 

No it doesnt

 

It says stomach and ankle injuries

 

What type? Injuries take different times to heal. When players get injured at other clubs your told whats wrong, at hearts we get a vague description, almost as so we cant determine realistic recovery periods;

[Rawrrrrrrr]

are you a doctor or some other medical expert now?

 

what do you base your "joke" assessment on? could it not just be that certain players are too injury prone or that the training methods employed are contributing to injuries.

 

come on then, let's see some underpinning evidence as to how & why the medical staff are a "joke".

 

 

Tullberg - Forced to train despite severe illness to the degree he broke down.

 

Neilson last year took several months to recover from a cartlidge tidy up.

 

Mrowiec - Signed despite fluid on the knee

 

Both of these seem imo incompetence or over the top recovery periods compared to other clubs.

[Generic Username]

Tullberg - Forced to train despite severe illness to the degree he broke down.

 

Neilson last year took several months to recover from a cartlidge tidy up.

 

Mrowiec - Signed despite fluid on the knee

 

Both of these seem imo incompetence or over the top recovery periods compared to other clubs.

 

Apart from Mrowiec, who arrived with an injury, are you implying that the only reason these two players took so long to recover is because we've got crap physios? Nothing to do with the players own bodies ability to recooperate from serious injury?

[MackaysCentreSpot]

No it doesnt

 

It says stomach and ankle injuries

 

What type? Injuries take different times to heal. When players get injured at other clubs your told whats wrong, at hearts we get a vague description, almost as so we cant determine realistic recovery periods;

 

Sorry did not know you wanted access his medical files.

 

 

Injured Neilson visits specialist

 

Neilson had his testimonial match with Hearts in May

Hearts full-back Robbie Neilson has seen a specialist about a troublesome Achilles tendon.

 

The 28-year-old missed the end of last season with a stomach complaint and hasn't featured this term.

 

He told the Hearts website: "It's not been much fun over the past few weeks. I got over the stomach problem but then the Achilles flared up."

 

"Hopefully after the trip to London I can start looking at getting back into full training," he added.[/Quote]

 

Robbie Neilson should make return to Hearts team before end of year

 

Published Date: 10 September 2008

 

Hearts are optimistic defender Robbie Neilson will be fit to make his first-team return before the end of the year.

 

The 28-year-old, who has been dogged by various injury problems since April, underwent ankle surgery on Monday and has already begun his rehabilitation at the Jambos' academy at Riccarton.

 

All being well, the club believe Neilson will return to training in seven to eight weeks' time.

 

The Tynecastle stalwart has been absent from the first team since the tail end of last season, with Jason Thomson and most recently Eggert Jonsson deputising.

 

A stomach muscle injury ruled Neilson out of the run-in to the last campaign, while the ankle problem has prevented him playing at all so far this term.[/Quote]

 

Does this make things a bit clearer for you. Amazing what you can find if you just look.

[Victorian]

Tullberg - Forced to train despite severe illness to the degree he broke down.

 

Neilson last year took several months to recover from a cartlidge tidy up.

 

Mrowiec - Signed despite fluid on the knee

 

Both of these seem imo incompetence or over the top recovery periods compared to other clubs.

yes but not necessarily the medical staff who are at fault.

 

hmmmm?

[Mouse]

it seems we have Lithuanians answer to the Rangers medical team in place at Riccarton

 

get this guy punted, its bad enough having our own players out injured without bringing them in on loan.

[The Mighty Thor]

That may be the case, but look at the injury issues we have had. I suppose I generalised, but I remembered the Soviet Union athletes being fitter and stronger than our British athletes in the past. I felt that we would see a disciplined and fitter team under our Lithuanian/Russian ownership. Obviously I looked at what I believed to be a valid stereotype and from our own club it would appear to be inaccurate.

 

I remember those days too. The halcyon days of the 1980's when the soviet union and it associates dominated athletics with many fine specimens of masculinity. And that was just the GDR's womens team!

 

As AP points out the training methods of Mad Eddie only go to prove that most of the supreme fitness of the former soviet block came from vials dispensed through a hypodermic needle.

 

Forward rolls and star-jumps only cut it if you have the BALCO lab pumping you full of the good gear!

 

Tullberg? A poor man's Mauricio Pinilla.

[Rawrrrrrrr]

Sorry did not know you wanted access his medical files.

 

 

 

 

 

Does this make things a bit clearer for you.

 

Not really, its still a mystery ankle injury/ stomach injury with no idea of the extent of damage or actual cause. Its also concerning how a player who wasnt playing/training managed to get 2 completely seperate injuries.

 

Absolutely nothing in that paragraph shows the club acted in the best manner, as Bapswent seemed to think it argued.

 

Re Audioslave - We don't know for certain, however, Tullberg if you believe what was posted on here was forced too far when ill, that is at best poor coaching, if not incompetence.

 

Neilsons injury - yes it could have been him but it still seems a long period to recover.

 

Mrowiec - signing a player with fluid on their knee was as far as I can see completely incompetent.

 

It doesnt help that our club seem to keep information re injuries very quiet, if your lucky we get told what part of their body is injured and thats about it.

 

Can anyone actually tell us what was wrong with Chesney for the year he missed?

 

I just think if they have nothing to hide they could do themselves a favour by being far more open, and the scepticism is entirely brought on by their own questionable actions in the past. Who can forget Rima afterall.

[Rawrrrrrrr]

yes but not necessarily the medical staff who are at fault.

 

hmmmm?

 

I think between the clubs management, coaching, fitness and medical team its very hard to accept they are not in some way to blame for our concerning injury statistics.

[Generic Username]

You're rabbling on like you demand to be at the operating table when the knife goes in.

 

You're an odd sort Sweep, I think it's fair to say there isn't anything you can't put a sensational bit of spin on.

[Victorian]

I think between the clubs management, coaching, fitness and medical team its very hard to accept they are not in some way to blame for our concerning injury statistics.

i thought you had the medical staff down as the culprits, now it's the whole shooting match.

 

so who's at fault?

 

i don't know personally, the truth is that nobody really knows outside of the club.

 

maybe it's just terrible luck.... other clubs have suffered a terrible run of injuries, remember rangers with the conveyor belt of crocked players they had?

[Rawrrrrrrr]

You're rabbling on like you demand to be at the operating table when the knife goes in.

 

You're an odd sort Sweep, I think it's fair to say there isn't anything you can't put a sensational bit of spin on.

 

 

So you don't think it would be better if hearts came out like other clubs do and say such and such has bruised a muscle/ strained a knee ligament etc and should be back in 4 weeks?

 

Instead we just get oh he's injured.

 

Its entirely brought on thereselves, fans and the media like to know the extent of injuries and the likely recovery period and hearts are quite obstructive in publishing this information.

 

Larry has been coming back for the next game for a few weeks now:rolleyes:

 

Its the same old problem from hearts, poor communication

[ecjambo]

Some of the injuries are hard to explain. In Chesny's case he just seems to be really injury prone. He gets fit looks good in a couple of games then gets injured again.

 

I have to admit I think the Hearts staff did a great job in getting Neilson and Aguiar fit. Especially Bruno. He is just back but seems to be managing near enough the full match most weeks and not having to go off for a rest. The work they have done on Nade has also been good.

 

The Tullberg situation is a shame. But I dont think the Hearts staff are to blame. Im sure there is a part of Tullberg that is dying to get playing for Hearts. In which case he may be saying he is fit to train with the first team when he is not ready. Only the player knows how fit he feels. Yes the medical staff help with injuries but they cant tell if a player is feeling a pull, strain etc when they are running. I feel a bit sorry for him as im sure he is wanting to show us what he can do but it seems like he might not get the chance.

[Jamboy81]

FS - Just dig a hole for the poor b*****d.

[Rawrrrrrrr]

i thought you had the medical staff down as the culprits, now it's the whole shooting match.

 

so who's at fault?

 

i don't know personally, the truth is that nobody really knows outside of the club.

 

maybe it's just terrible luck.... other clubs have suffered a terrible run of injuries, remember rangers with the conveyor belt of crocked players they had?

 

 

They all have a part to play in the medical/physio set up and decisions.

 

It was claimed on here that Tullberg broke down because of Tam Ritchie forcing him to overtrain whilst ill.

 

That if true isnt bad luck.

 

Also our terrible run has lasted several seasons, as I said above it could be bad luck, but their poor communication doesnt help.

 

Again I will point to Chesney, can anyone explain why he missed a year beyond a virus? when thats the case is it any wonder the fans and media are cynical of our clubs set up?

[Dr. Bapswent]

They all have a part to play in the medical/physio set up and decisions.

 

It was claimed on here that Tullberg broke down because of Tam Ritchie forcing him to overtrain whilst ill.

 

That if true isnt bad luck.

 

Also our terrible run has lasted several seasons, as I said above it could be bad luck, but their poor communication doesnt help.

 

Again I will point to Chesney, can anyone explain why he missed a year beyond a virus? when thats the case is it any wonder the fans and media are cynical of our clubs set up?

 

The problem is you sound like you want it to be true because your a greeting faced pudding.

 

Rather than not wanting it to be true because your a Hearts fans.

 

See?

[Generic Username]

So you don't think it would be better if hearts came out like other clubs do and say such and such has bruised a muscle/ strained a knee ligament etc and should be back in 4 weeks?

 

Instead we just get oh he's injured.

 

Its entirely brought on thereselves, fans and the media like to know the extent of injuries and the likely recovery period and hearts are quite obstructive in publishing this information.

 

Larry has been coming back for the next game for a few weeks now:rolleyes:

 

Its the same old problem from hearts, poor communication

 

I've not read anything from Hearts regarding injury that is shrouded in mystery.

 

It may be very blunt and basic information, i.e - Larry Kingston has a thigh strain - but whats wrong with that? Do you want a picture? A doctor pointing to his thigh with a troubled expression?

 

You're just getting your knickers in a twist over nout and trying to get a few more bodies involved. It's a real waste of your own time.

 

Yes it's frustrating having injured players, especially ones who are constantly injured or never off the operating table but you've got to open your mind to the fact that maybe, just maybe - some guys are injury prone.

 

Not saying everyone at Hearts who is injured is injury prone and I'm not saying we've got the greatest medical team in the world BUT like you I don't know ALL the facts so I'm not going to get myself into a tizz over something I know nothing about.

[MackaysCentreSpot]

So you don't think it would be better if hearts came out like other clubs do and say such and such has bruised a muscle/ strained a knee ligament etc and should be back in 4 weeks?

 

Instead we just get oh he's injured.

 

Its entirely brought on thereselves, fans and the media like to know the extent of injuries and the likely recovery period and hearts are quite obstructive in publishing this information.

 

Larry has been coming back for the next game for a few weeks now:rolleyes:

 

Its the same old problem from hearts, poor communication

 

You are indeed unbelievable. Why not get on the phone to Riccarton and tell them that you want a full run down of all injured players and you want recovery times, actual medical diagnoses etc etc.

 

They will tell you that same as many people on here to go away but possibly in a more polite manner.

[Miller Jambo 60]

Tullberg - Forced to train despite severe illness to the degree he broke down.

 

Neilson last year took several months to recover from a cartlidge tidy up.

 

Mrowiec - Signed despite fluid on the knee

 

Both of these seem imo incompetence or over the top recovery periods compared to other clubs.

 

He broke down .1000s a week for a breakdown.

Send him back

[portobellojambo1]

You do sometimes wonder if guys like this are just taking the crap or not.

 

I wouldn't even bother deciding on a course of action RE his injury, I'd just cancel the loan and tell him we'll come back in for him if/when he gets himself fit.

 

There is absolutely zero point in him being here for a season if he's injured.

 

Correct. Send him back from whence he came, with a little card bearing our telephone number, and a note indicating he should ring when fit. We can then do a full medical and only once he passes everything fecking test imaginable do we consider bringing him back to Edinburgh. All he is doing at the moment is taking up a squad number.

[Gershwin]

I remember in pre-season Csaba said he wanted to have another look at him. I think the next time he 'had a look at him' was in the physio's room. I'm not sure what he did in there but we signed him up. Odd.

[Jammy T]

All youse anti-Scandanavians are beyond contempt....

[Tiberius Stinkfinger]

Perhaps Vlad gets little electronic devices inserted into different parts of the players bodies and when he feels the need he triggers the device rendering the said player injured.

 

The crazy mother gets the blame for everything else so he might as well get the blame for this aswell.

 

Vlad injures the players cos he is mad.FACT

[Poseidon]

Heard that on Saturday but wasn't sure how bad it was.

 

If he's not going to be fit to see him in action before the end of the window then punt him. No point in paying his wages when he's constantly injured.

 

We need someone to be able to play immediately, whether that be alongside Nade or coming on as a sub instead of him. If Nade got injured we'd be up the creek cos I haven't seen anyone we have who could hold the ball up playing the lone striker role.