Rugby

[I.J]

When does this pish end?

 

Sick to the back teeth of not getting into the Diggers because of these 4 times a season farquhar jamieson cocks taking over the place.

 

****S!

 

[leginten]

When does this pish end?

 

Sick to the back teeth of not getting into the Diggers because of these 4 times a season farquhar jamieson cocks taking over the place.

 

****S!

 

 

Still, at least they won't be reading the result over the tannoy at Tynecastle this afternoon.

 

[I.J]

I could point out that since my now famous post, I've not heard any pointless scores between two nations that have bolt to do with Scotland being read out.

 

[Wattie]

When does this pish end?

 

Sick to the back teeth of not getting into the Diggers because of these 4 times a season farquhar jamieson cocks taking over the place.

 

****S!

 

 

As oppose to ****bag football fans taking over the town every weekend?

[I.J]

Don't give a **** about the town.

 

And the fact they do it, in your words, "every weekend" tends to suggest they spend a lot more behind the bar than rude, pompous, arrogant ****s who think they own a place just because they enter the premises 4 times a year.

 

Hope that clarifies matters.

 

[Ray Winstone]

When does this pish end?

 

Sick to the back teeth of not getting into the Diggers because of these 4 times a season farquhar jamieson cocks taking over the place.

 

****S!

 

 

A bit of a stupid view to be honest?

 

There is 3 games in the six nations and 3 autumn tests held at Murrayfield per year and you complain about that?

 

Ridiculous - its not your god given right to get into the pub.

 

Just pipe the **** down and deal with it.

[davemclaren]

Don't give a **** about the town.

 

And the fact they do it, in your words, "every weekend" tends to suggest they spend a lot more behind the bar than rude, pompous, arrogant ****s who think they own a place just because they enter the premises 4 times a year.

 

Hope that clarifies matters.

 

 

I'll not be buying you a glass of beer then when I arrive in my waxed jacket.

[Therapist]

The rugger Crispians and Alasdairs behave much worse than football fans but get away with it because "it's just high spirits". Have to say I can't stand them.

[I.J]

Ridiculous - its not your god given right to get into the pub.

 

I beg to differ.

 

However, I have had assurances not 2 minutes ago that it's not too busy and the fitba will be on all afternoon.

 

Back in the Range Rovers all you upset Jamiesons and Wilsons.

 

[shaun.lawson]

The rugger Crispians and Alasdairs behave much worse than football fans but get away with it because "it's just high spirits". Have to say I can't stand them.

 

I'm inclined to agree. Though as a fan of Hooray Henry central, Chelsea FC, you should know...

[elvisisgod]

eeebsolutley outrageous comments! I'd never be seen dead in a range rover! It's a BMW X5 these days old chap, get with the times if you want your insults to work!

bloody working classes

[Therapist]

Though as a fan of Hooray Henry central, Chelsea FC, you should know...

 

The chaps I go to the Bridge with couldn't really be described as Hooray Henries. Like the vast majority of Chelsea FC fans, they're just ordinary, decent football fans.

[Chester™]

The chaps I go to the Bridge with couldn't really be described as Hooray Henries. Like the vast majority of Chelsea FC fans, they're just ordinary, decent football fans.

 

That may have been believable if you didnt use the word in bold.

[shaun.lawson]

The chaps I go to the Bridge with couldn't really be described as Hooray Henries. Like the vast majority of Chelsea FC fans, they're just ordinary, decent football fans.

 

I'm sure you're aware of what the surrounding environs are like, though. Lovely area - shame about the people! Though in fairness, I recommend the Stockpot restaurant on the Kings Road for homely, delicious, reasonably priced food.

 

By the way, what's the Chelsea FC hotel like? I'm thinking of basing myself there over Xmas: any good?

[Patrick Bateman]

Tartan rugs, coffee flasks and binoculars in tow, Rugby really is a sport for those who couldn't tell good from bad if their life depended on it. 80 minutes of men looking for an excuse to grapple and fondle one another.

 

I see Rugby as a sport for those who didn't have the technical skill for football. There ain't two ways about it.

[Therapist]

By the way, what's the Chelsea FC hotel like? I'm thinking of basing myself there over Xmas: any good?

 

Never used it. Sadly, it's not on my company's list of approved hotels.

[shaun.lawson]

Never used it. Sadly, it's not on my company's list of approved hotels.

 

Are they letting you get away to any CFC games yet?

[Toxteth O'Grady]

Tartan rugs, coffee flasks and binoculars in tow, Rugby really is a sport for those who couldn't tell good from bad if their life depended on it. 80 minutes of men looking for an excuse to grapple and fondle one another.

 

I see Rugby as a sport for those who didn't have the technical skill for football. There ain't two ways about it.

 

 

Correct, a scrum is just an excuse for a grapple and fondle.

The ball almost always goes to the team with the put in, it's absolutely pointless.

 

 

As for being rewarded for kicking the ball off the pitch or over the bar, ridiculous.

[shaun.lawson]

International rugby (I've no time for the club variety) is war waged through other means.

[Ray Winstone]

Scotland beating the current world Champions 10-0.

 

Its half time.

[Therapist]

Are they letting you get away to any CFC games yet?

 

No. I was in London on Thursday for the first time in over 2 months.

[Le Chat]

Worst.

 

Game.

 

Ever.

[shaun.lawson]

No. I was in London on Thursday for the first time in over 2 months.

 

Resign! I'm sure you can afford it...

[elvisisgod]

Tartan rugs, coffee flasks and binoculars in tow, Rugby really is a sport for those who couldn't tell good from bad if their life depended on it. 80 minutes of men looking for an excuse to grapple and fondle one another.

 

I see Rugby as a sport for those who didn't have the technical skill for football. There ain't two ways about it.

 

Actually there are. So are you naturally assuming that football is the superior sport? You have to have vast amounts of skill to succeed in rugby, swiftness and steadiness of feet are required as opposed to being able to controll a ball

[Carl Spackler]

You football chaps should all receive a damned good thrashing from your masters for these comments what?!

[Louise]

Just went to the shop round the corner and some absolute Farquhars in tartan trousers were on about the game at the top of their voices. They didn't even sound Scottish.

[Jamdub]

The rugger Crispians and Alasdairs behave much worse than football fans but get away with it because "it's just high spirits". Have to say I can't stand them.

 

'Blue is the colour'

[Debaser]

there was a lot of range rovers around murrayfield today. surely the credit crunch must soon be hitting these ruggger buggers?

[Denny Crane]

Just back from Murrayfield (driving my make-believe Range Rover which suspiciously resembles a 10-year old Micra).

 

The need for Scotland to find a world class fly-half is vital - neither Godman or Parks have the class or skill that their more illustrious predecessors like Rutherford, Chalmers or Townsend had. Having seen the enigmatic Gordon Ross in action for Scotland A last night, his salad days seem to be past their use-by date.

 

Paterson's injury was a huge blow. Godman and Parks with four kickable penalties between them with the former slicing a howler late on which would have had us just needing a drop-goal to win but in turn meant we had to get a try. Speaking of which..... time and time again we chose the wrong option when on the Springboks' try-line. That's the difference between us and sides like them, France & New Zealand. They are ruthless when given a sniff of a try. We are like rabbits in front of headlights when a try beckons.

 

The defeat means we will now be in the third pool of seeds come the 2011 World Cup which will ensure a right ******* of a draw for us. How does a group with New Zealand, France and ourselves sound with only two going through to the last eight?

 

Finally, to the ill-informed pleb who thinks a scrum is just a good excuse for a fondle and has no skill level whatsoever, I challenge you to go head-to-head in a scrum with Scotland prop-forward Euan Murray. You won't even know what has hit you (and Euan's one of rugby's nice guys).

[shaun.lawson]

Just back from Murrayfield (driving my make-believe Range Rover which suspiciously resembles a 10-year old Micra).

 

The need for Scotland to find a world class fly-half is vital - neither Godman or Parks have the class or skill that their more illustrious predecessors like Rutherford, Chalmers or Townsend had. Having seen the enigmatic Gordon Ross in action for Scotland A last night, his salad days seem to be past their use-by date.

 

Paterson's injury was a huge blow. Godman and Parks with four kickable penalties between them with the former slicing a howler late on which would have had us just needing a drop-goal to win but in turn meant we had to get a try. Speaking of which..... time and time again we chose the wrong option when on the Springboks' try-line. That's the difference between us and sides like them, France & New Zealand. They are ruthless when given a sniff of a try. We are like rabbits in front of headlights when a try beckons.

 

The defeat means we will now be in the third pool of seeds come the 2011 World Cup which will ensure a right ******* of a draw for us. How does a group with New Zealand, France and ourselves sound with only two going through to the last eight?

 

Finally, to the ill-informed pleb who thinks a scrum is just a good excuse for a fondle and has no skill level whatsoever, I challenge you to go head-to-head in a scrum with Scotland prop-forward Euan Murray. You won't even know what has hit you (and Euan's one of rugby's nice guys).

 

But Matt - what's Scotland's long term plan? Keep throwing the pool match against the top seed in the group (great psychological approach, that), scrmabling past Fiji or Italy and going down lamely in the quarters? What, exactly, is the point? At least being outside the top eight seeds will focus minds (though I've a hunch you'll get lucky and draw Argentina anyway) - but seriously: if you're not at the World Cup in order to win it, why bother in the first place?

 

Scotland, with its lack of resources compared with all other International Board countries, have been papering over the cracks for well over a decade; but until you start playing exciting, entertaining rugby, and really offering something different, the game will benefit far more from the Pumas or Pacific Islands sides improving as Scotland go backwards. Purely and simply, because they're more ambitious, and have much higher ceilings of potential.

[The White Cockade]

The rugger Crispians and Alasdairs behave much worse than football fans but get away with it because "it's just high spirits". Have to say I can't stand them.

 

Why - because they don't sing the Sash and Derry's Walls?

[Denny Crane]

But Matt - what's Scotland's long term plan? Keep throwing the pool match against the top seed in the group (great psychological approach, that), scrmabling past Fiji or Italy and going down lamely in the quarters? What, exactly, is the point? At least being outside the top eight seeds will focus minds (though I've a hunch you'll get lucky and draw Argentina anyway) - but seriously: if you're not at the World Cup in order to win it, why bother in the first place?

 

Scotland, with its lack of resources compared with all other International Board countries, have been papering over the cracks for well over a decade; but until you start playing exciting, entertaining rugby, and really offering something different, the game will benefit far more from the Pumas or Pacific Islands sides improving as Scotland go backwards. Purely and simply, because they're more ambitious, and have much higher ceilings of potential.

 

You obviously have me confused for Frank Hadden. He's the only one who can answer your first paragraph.

 

As for not playing exciting rugby. From this summer's Argentine tour onwards, there has been a marked difference in our style when compared to the dross served up in the last six nations. Compare today's game to the Wales defeat earlier this year - night and day. At least we are now creating chances - even if we balls it up at the end.

 

Of course the game will benefit with the Pumas and P. Islanders growing in stature but that will take ages for them to really start hitting the heights unless the Tri-nations cabal starts affording them a higher degree of respect. When did the All-Blacks last visit Tonga or Fiji? Same could be asked of South Africa and Australia. Even the northern hemisphere are at it. Aus & NZL are more regular visitors to the British Isles than before than a decade ago.

[shaun.lawson]

You obviously have me confused for Frank Hadden. He's the only one who can answer your first paragraph.

 

As for not playing exciting rugby. From this summer's Argentine tour onwards, there has been a marked difference in our style when compared to the dross served up in the last six nations. Compare today's game to the Wales defeat earlier this year - night and day. At least we are now creating chances - even if we balls it up at the end.

 

Of course the game will benefit with the Pumas and P. Islanders growing in stature but that will take ages for them to really start hitting the heights unless the Tri-nations cabal starts affording them a higher degree of respect. When did the All-Blacks last visit Tonga or Fiji? Same could be asked of South Africa and Australia. Even the northern hemisphere are at it. Aus & NZL are more regular visitors to the British Isles than before than a decade ago.

 

You could've asked the same question of all Scotland's coaches since professionalism, of course. And even though I quite like Hadden, what was the point of regressing to a more set piece style at the World Cup and this year's Six Nations only to open things up again since? Do the players know if they're coming or going with this guy?

 

You're absolutely right about the treatment afforded to Argentina and especially the Pacific trio. Rape the latter of all talent (which if they were allowed to keep, would enable Samoa or Fiji to win the World Cup by a street), then refuse to even play them. And we're just as bad on this side of the equator: did you read this story yesterday?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/nov/14/autumn-internationals-walesrugbyunionteam1

 

Makes you proud, doesn't it? The IRB like to boast about how much help the emerging nations have received. What help are they referring to? And if they are emerging, it's in spite, not because of the self-aggrandising system in place.

[Denny Crane]

You could've asked the same question of all Scotland's coaches since professionalism, of course. And even though I quite like Hadden, what was the point of regressing to a more set piece style at the World Cup and this year's Six Nations only to open things up again since? Do the players know if they're coming or going with this guy?

 

You're absolutely right about the treatment afforded to Argentina and especially the Pacific trio. Rape the latter of all talent (which if they were allowed to keep, would enable Samoa or Fiji to win the World Cup by a street), then refuse to even play them. And we're just as bad on this side of the equator: did you read this story yesterday?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/nov/14/autumn-internationals-walesrugbyunionteam1

 

Makes you proud, doesn't it? The IRB like to boast about how much help the emerging nations have received. What help are they referring to? And if they are emerging, it's in spite, not because of the self-aggrandising system in place.

 

Last night sw Scotland A beat Georgia 69-3. However, Georgia - who a year ago narrowly lost 14-10 to Ireland in last year's World Cup - asked the French clubs of who 12 of those players were affiliated to if they would release them to play us. A large 'non' was delivered. The Georgian coach was absolutely raging last night about this.

[shaun.lawson]

Last night sw Scotland A beat Georgia 69-3. However, Georgia - who a year ago narrowly lost 14-10 to Ireland in last year's World Cup - asked the French clubs of who 12 of those players were affiliated to if they would release them to play us. A large 'non' was delivered. The Georgian coach was absolutely raging last night about this.

 

Is it not possible for the IRB to enforce this? Didn't they at least do this in the case of the Pacific Islanders players last week?

[Denny Crane]

Is it not possible for the IRB to enforce this? Didn't they at least do this in the case of the Pacific Islanders players last week?

 

 

Some are more successful at lobbying the IRB than others....

[shaun.lawson]

Some are more successful at lobbying the IRB than others....

 

Jesus. ****ing Banana Republic of an organisation.

[Denny Crane]

Jesus. ****ing Banana Republic of an organisation.

 

A bit like FIFA, the Olympic Committee, the WBC...... (I could go on)

[shaun.lawson]

A bit like FIFA, the Olympic Committee, the WBC...... (I could go on)

 

Oh, very true. At least FIFA try to spread the game globally though: often to Europe's detriment, and more often leading to gross corruption. But the IRB are something else. I mean, not even FIFA would dare to schedule the World Cup in such a way as to deliberately give all the 'big' sides much more time to recover from games, would they? And international rugby is far more physically demanding than international football.

 

My undergraduate dissertation, incidentally, was on the history of the politics of sport. I concentrated on three governing bodies: FIFA, the IOC, and FIDE, the international chess federation - and arrived at the somewhat racist conclusion that Latin leaders had taken each organisation away from what they were originally set up to do, and towards commercialisation, corruption and dishonour. FIDE was the worst example of all - and the one I found most fun to study too.

[redm]

Just back from Murrayfield (driving my make-believe Range Rover which suspiciously resembles a 10-year old Micra).

 

The need for Scotland to find a world class fly-half is vital - neither Godman or Parks have the class or skill that their more illustrious predecessors like Rutherford, Chalmers or Townsend had. Having seen the enigmatic Gordon Ross in action for Scotland A last night, his salad days seem to be past their use-by date.

 

Paterson's injury was a huge blow. Godman and Parks with four kickable penalties between them with the former slicing a howler late on which would have had us just needing a drop-goal to win but in turn meant we had to get a try. Speaking of which..... time and time again we chose the wrong option when on the Springboks' try-line. That's the difference between us and sides like them, France & New Zealand. They are ruthless when given a sniff of a try. We are like rabbits in front of headlights when a try beckons.

 

The defeat means we will now be in the third pool of seeds come the 2011 World Cup which will ensure a right ******* of a draw for us. How does a group with New Zealand, France and ourselves sound with only two going through to the last eight?

 

Finally, to the ill-informed pleb who thinks a scrum is just a good excuse for a fondle and has no skill level whatsoever, I challenge you to go head-to-head in a scrum with Scotland prop-forward Euan Murray. You won't even know what has hit you (and Euan's one of rugby's nice guys).

 

Never heard him described as enigmatic before...

 

Anyhoo, just a bit of trivia for you...the enigmatic Gordon Ross is the cousin of the equally enigmatic Calum Elliot. So there you go.

[Therapist]

Why - because they don't sing the Sash and Derry's Walls?

 

No. It's because they're pests.

[I.J]

No. It's because they're sex pests.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

[Boab Mugabe]

The rugger Crispians and Alasdairs behave much worse than football fans but get away with it because "it's just high spirits". Have to say I can't stand them.

 

Ditto. Some of the stuff I've seen them get up to would have the curtain-twitchers down my way phoning all and sundry over what a disgrace their behaviour is, but as it's the rugger buggers it's simply high jinx.

 

Nothing worse when an army of Barbour jackets, Range Rovers wellies and hampers surrounds Captain Obvious Manor, however infrequent it may be.

[Denny Crane]

Never heard him described as enigmatic before...

 

Anyhoo, just a bit of trivia for you...the enigmatic Gordon Ross is the cousin of the equally enigmatic Calum Elliot. So there you go.

 

So that's why Calum keeps shooting over the bar

[Gordon Brown]

But Matt - what's Scotland's long term plan? Keep throwing the pool match against the top seed in the group (great psychological approach, that), scrmabling past Fiji or Italy and going down lamely in the quarters? What, exactly, is the point? At least being outside the top eight seeds will focus minds (though I've a hunch you'll get lucky and draw Argentina anyway) - but seriously: if you're not at the World Cup in order to win it, why bother in the first place?

 

What an absolutely stupid argument.

 

There are probably only 4 countries who are capable of winning the rugby World Cup.

 

But, there are arguably only 2 clubs who can win the SPL and 4 clubs capable of securing the Premiership in England and the same can be said for all the major leagues in Europe. Also, there are only a handful of counties who can win the football World Cup.

 

Why do so many golfers turn up for golf's majors when Tiger Woods is in the field or tennis players turn up at Roland Garros when they all know Rafa Nadal is unbeatable there?

 

Why bother indeed.

[shaun.lawson]

What an absolutely stupid argument.

 

There are probably only 4 countries who are capable of winning the rugby World Cup.

 

But, there are arguably only 2 clubs who can win the SPL and 4 clubs capable of securing the Premiership in England and the same can be said for all the major leagues in Europe. Also, there are only a handful of counties who can win the football World Cup.

 

Why do so many golfers turn up for golf's majors when Tiger Woods is in the field or tennis players turn up at Roland Garros when they all know Rafa Nadal is unbeatable there?

 

Why bother indeed.

 

Fair dos: only five countries can win the RWC, and no more than five or six contend for the footie version. However, take a side like Argentina: they had the ambition to throw everything at all their games in France, topping a group featuring the hosts and Ireland, then securing a remarkable, richly deserved 3rd place. Meanwhile, Scotland's entire RWC record, 1987 to date, features no wins against any Big Five sides; and no defeats to banana skin opponents either.

 

The nadir in their approach was reached at last year's tournament. Scotland, at home, with the chance of showcasing rugby and attracting new fans to the game, threw their match with New Zealand, so to avoid injuries for the Italy contest a week later. Many fans have refused to return to Murrayfield ever since. But if you come 2nd in the pool, you're left facing a group winner in the last 8, and are very likely to be eliminated... which is precisely what happened.

 

Scotland's entire existence since professionalism seems to have been geared to scrambling past an opponent whose resources the SRU dwarf, and going down to a tame quarter-final defeat. It shows no ambition at all, and is an entirely self-fulfilling prophecy. Why didn't Argentina, an amateur union for heavens sake, adopt the same approach against France? Because they were at the World Cup to give everything they had. The same can be said of footballing nations, and tennis players and golfers the world over. But the Scots had largely done the same thing four years earlier, against a French side they occasionally beat in Six Nations play! So I ask again: what on earth is the point?

[Say What Again]

The defeat means we will now be in the third pool of seeds come the 2011 World Cup which will ensure a right ******* of a draw for us. How does a group with New Zealand, France and ourselves sound with only two going through to the last eight?

 

Is that bad?

 

At least we'd avoid Brazil, Argentina, Germany and Italy

[felix]

Fair dos: only five countries can win the RWC, and no more than five or six contend for the footie version. However, take a side like Argentina: they had the ambition to throw everything at all their games in France, topping a group featuring the hosts and Ireland, then securing a remarkable, richly deserved 3rd place. Meanwhile, Scotland's entire RWC record, 1987 to date, features no wins against any Big Five sides; and no defeats to banana skin opponents either.

 

The nadir in their approach was reached at last year's tournament. Scotland, at home, with the chance of showcasing rugby and attracting new fans to the game, threw their match with New Zealand, so to avoid injuries for the Italy contest a week later. Many fans have refused to return to Murrayfield ever since. But if you come 2nd in the pool, you're left facing a group winner in the last 8, and are very likely to be eliminated... which is precisely what happened.

 

Scotland's entire existence since professionalism seems to have been geared to scrambling past an opponent whose resources the SRU dwarf, and going down to a tame quarter-final defeat. It shows no ambition at all, and is an entirely self-fulfilling prophecy. Why didn't Argentina, an amateur union for heavens sake, adopt the same approach against France? Because they were at the World Cup to give everything they had. The same can be said of footballing nations, and tennis players and golfers the world over. But the Scots had largely done the same thing four years earlier, against a French side they occasionally beat in Six Nations play! So I ask again: what on earth is the point?

 

The point is .......Scotland need to compete at the highest level to give themselves any chance of at least quarter/semi final glory.

This is something Scotland have achieved at every world cup (pre/post professionalism).

 

Playing your 2nd XV against the All Blacks isn't a crowd pleaser, especially if you've forked out ?50 + in advance..but it worked.

Scotland subsequently overcame Italy and again reached the last 8 with a good chance of making the semis.

 

Argentina didn't adopt the same tactics against France because the French match was their first. Scotland had the luxury of games played; and knowing they could lose to NZ but still qualify.

Argentina had to give France a go - they beat them , and on a roll, went on to beat Ireland AND Scotland and were only stopped in their tracks in the semis, by the eventual winners , South Africa. !!

 

 

Scotland should hold on to their quarter final status in the next world cup..but it's getting tougher This can only be a good thing and soon you'll find there's more than 5 teams capable of winning the World Cup.

[I.J]

Chaps, chaps, chaps.

 

This is not a thread for discussing tactics, merits and prospects for the Scottish team.

 

It's a thread to point out that rugby is for big fat public schoolboys poofs who enjoy touching other men's genitalia and placing their heads up each others posteriors.

 

Please get back on topic.

 

Thanks.

 

[felix]

It's a thread to point out that rugby is for big fat public schoolboys poofs who enjoy touching other men's genitalia and placing their heads up each others posteriors.

 

It's a popular view IJ, commomnly held by those who know nothing about rugger.