richierich Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Firstly it just my own thoughts, no sources or told by anyone, and not for any sinister reasons like non wages payment etc, I was thinking more along the lines of the players perhaps do not like the 4-5-1 system and as it stands are performing under par as a kind of work to rule or something like that, I believe the players are capable of so much more than they are giving presently, could a scenario like this be the reason we are not seeing the best of the players just now, could a formation change make a difference and lift the players or are they really this bad just now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Firstly it just my own thoughts, no sources or told by anyone, and not for any sinister reasons like non wages payment etc, I was thinking more along the lines of the players perhaps do not like the 4-5-1 system and as it stands are performing under par as a kind of work to rule or something like that, I believe the players are capable of so much more than they are giving presently, could a scenario like this be the reason we are not seeing the best of the players just now, could a formation change make a difference and lift the players or are they really this bad just now? no... sheer fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Firstly it just my own thoughts, no sources or told by anyone, and not for any sinister reasons like non wages payment etc, I was thinking more along the lines of the players perhaps do not like the 4-5-1 system and as it stands are performing under par as a kind of work to rule or something like that, I believe the players are capable of so much more than they are giving presently, could a scenario like this be the reason we are not seeing the best of the players just now, could a formation change make a difference and lift the players or are they really this bad just now? When we played 4-4-2 against Killie we were absolutely honking as well. So I'm afraid your theory is fatally flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Firstly it just my own thoughts, no sources or told by anyone, and not for any sinister reasons like non wages payment etc, I was thinking more along the lines of the players perhaps do not like the 4-5-1 system and as it stands are performing under par as a kind of work to rule or something like that, I believe the players are capable of so much more than they are giving presently, could a scenario like this be the reason we are not seeing the best of the players just now, could a formation change make a difference and lift the players or are they really this bad just now? we just went into the game with the wrong attitude imo. We didn't think we could win. didn't really help at the end that Csaba admitted they are a better team than us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Firstly it just my own thoughts, no sources or told by anyone, and not for any sinister reasons like non wages payment etc, I was thinking more along the lines of the players perhaps do not like the 4-5-1 system and as it stands are performing under par as a kind of work to rule or something like that, I believe the players are capable of so much more than they are giving presently, could a scenario like this be the reason we are not seeing the best of the players just now, could a formation change make a difference and lift the players or are they really this bad just now? I think players would be more likley to tell the manager they did not like the system or they wanted to change the system rather than actually under perform on purpose. If they did that then they would be putting themselves in a position whereby the club could sack them without compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Mugabe Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 They pick up their disgracefully inflated wages and that's the end of it for them. They're probably having a right good laugh at us plebs who follow every week as they're throwing back their George Street cocktails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gorgie kev Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Firstly it just my own thoughts, no sources or told by anyone, and not for any sinister reasons like non wages payment etc, I was thinking more along the lines of the players perhaps do not like the 4-5-1 system and as it stands are performing under par as a kind of work to rule or something like that, I believe the players are capable of so much more than they are giving presently, could a scenario like this be the reason we are not seeing the best of the players just now, could a formation change make a difference and lift the players or are they really this bad just now? Cue back page spread from the ginger scroat in the evening hobo tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithumania Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Firstly it just my own thoughts, no sources or told by anyone, and not for any sinister reasons like non wages payment etc, I was thinking more along the lines of the players perhaps do not like the 4-5-1 system and as it stands are performing under par as a kind of work to rule or something like that, I believe the players are capable of so much more than they are giving presently, could a scenario like this be the reason we are not seeing the best of the players just now, could a formation change make a difference and lift the players or are they really this bad just now? players have been protesting against number 26 playing in the team. we will step up to the mark now he is suspended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 a group of players organising to stage some kind of half-assed revolt over an unwanted tactical formation would seem to imply a deeply held concern for the fortunes of the club. that is something they are constantly accused of NOT having. therefore, sheer fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 No we couldn't. Next caller please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richierich Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 hehe cheers guys, I'll take it as a big huge no! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Chance would be a fine thing, you may be right but I tend to think we are just crap. We have some fairly average players with some really crap players and one or two half decent ones that try but unfortunately most of them could not give a ****. Oh how I would love to have a team of British style players who would at least show a bit of passion playing for our team and when we lose to teams like Celtic at least it would not be for the lack of trying. Firstly it just my own thoughts, no sources or told by anyone, and not for any sinister reasons like non wages payment etc, I was thinking more along the lines of the players perhaps do not like the 4-5-1 system and as it stands are performing under par as a kind of work to rule or something like that, I believe the players are capable of so much more than they are giving presently, could a scenario like this be the reason we are not seeing the best of the players just now, could a formation change make a difference and lift the players or are they really this bad just now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Firstly it just my own thoughts, no sources or told by anyone, and not for any sinister reasons like non wages payment etc, I was thinking more along the lines of the players perhaps do not like the 4-5-1 system and as it stands are performing under par as a kind of work to rule or something like that, I believe the players are capable of so much more than they are giving presently, could a scenario like this be the reason we are not seeing the best of the players just now, could a formation change make a difference and lift the players or are they really this bad just now? Good lord. You really think that professional players would damage thier own careers by going out and deliberately play poorly to make a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 When we played 4-4-2 against Killie we were absolutely honking as well. So I'm afraid your theory is fatally flawed. Exactly. Why are people treating 4-4-2 as some wonderful formation that guarantees success? Do you know why we're crap? Because our best player is a 21 year old winger who has problems with crossing and finishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Good lord. You really think that professional players would damage thier own careers by going out and deliberately play poorly to make a point? Happened at Falkirk in the late '80's / early '90s - 6-0 defeat at Brockville led to Joe Jordan getting the bullet the very next day. Sadly, I think the problem with some of our current squad is that they are invertebrates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He Who Cannot Be Named Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Good lord. You really think that professional players would damage thier own careers by going out and deliberately play poorly to make a point? Larry Kingston? Rudi Skacel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 In a word, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Happened at Falkirk in the late '80's / early '90s - 6-0 defeat at Brockville led to Joe Jordan getting the bullet the very next day. Sadly, I think the problem with some of our current squad is that they are invertebrates. They simply arent very good. Lets not confuse that with anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 They simply arent very good. Lets not confuse that with anything else. I don't think I did. I merely pointed out that there has been a precedent for the OPs theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Good lord. You really think that professional players would damage thier own careers by going out and deliberately play poorly to make a point? Of course they would. I am not saying this is the case with us but IMO players would happily play poorly to get their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Of course they would. I am not saying this is the case with us but IMO players would happily play poorly to get their way. Anyody who witnessed the 6-0 drubbing at Brockville will realise that many of our heroes cheated the fans and club that day to get Jordan removed as manager unless anybody really believes that stranded at the bottom of the SPL Falkirk were really so vastly superior to us and in a false position. However I don't think that is the case this season...with the group of players we have our form will be a bit up & down in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Happened at Falkirk in the late '80's / early '90s - 6-0 defeat at Brockville led to Joe Jordan getting the bullet the very next day. Sadly, I think the problem with some of our current squad is that they are invertebrates. Only some Iain - most of them I would say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 When we played 4-4-2 against Killie we were absolutely honking as well. So I'm afraid your theory is fatally flawed. We never played 4-4-2 against Killie. We played one up front (Tullberg) with Mole in the run around like a headless chicken giving away free kicks on the edge of your own box role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborory Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Zaliukas Is Keeping The Spirit Level Down. His Lack Of Understanding At Training And His Attitude Towards Training Are Another Factor. He Brings The Dressing Room Down With Him. He Is Our Main Problem. team for st.mirren Balogh Jonsson Berra Karipidis Wallace Driver Stewart Aguiar Palazuelos Cesnauskis Nade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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