Quantum Of Solace

[bighusref]

Just back. I really enjoyed it, I felt that the bad guys were believable and that the story was plausible. Something that cannot be said of other Bond movies.

 

Without giving too much away, the film shares a lot with Licence To Kill, and the Timothy Dalton Bond.

[Say What Again]

Does Bond die?

[Rab]

Does Bond die?

 

Yes. Twice.

[JamboRossi79]

I went to see this tonight and being a big Bond fan I was slightly dissapointed in this one. Can't quite put my finger on it though.

 

It wasn't as good as Casino Royale IMHO

[bighusref]

I went to see this tonight and being a big Bond fan I was slightly dissapointed in this one. Can't quite put my finger on it though.

 

It wasn't as good as Casino Royale IMHO

 

I suppose it depends on personal preference, although I am surprised that you distinguish a difference between CR and QOS. IMO the two films stand away from the rest of them due to the way that Bond is portrayed.

 

In the above two films, Bond is more like Fleming's Bond in respect of his emotions and his public persona. He doesn't go in for the wee quips like previous Bonds, and he does not do the corny chat up lines. Both films (with the exception of the daft defribulator) steer clear of gadgets and cars are merely cars. Also, Bond is not invincible, he gets shot and bleeds. One difference that is obvious (again, in both films) is that Bond is much more of a hand to hand combat specialist. A sign of the times tbh.

 

***POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT*** Read the white lettering if you want.

 

As for the merits of QOS, the bad guy is a lot more believable. A man trying to extort a country for money by restricting their water supply, as opposed to S.P.E.C.T.R.E. looking to overthrow the world.

 

I am surprised you didn't like it, I felt it was awfy good. I felt it was a modern take on how Bond would be in the 2000's, and I felt the story entirely believable.

 

Each to their own though.

[Guest Freewheelin' Jambo]

Yes. Twice.

 

You only live twice, Mr Bond

[Griclesfield]

i'm just waiting on some septic tank with a sony handcam to record it from his local cinema and upload it, so i can download it.

[Doyle]

Loved it!! Seen it twice already, and the biggest gadget he has is a camera phone?!?!

 

As for chat up lines??

 

"Come help me find the stationary"

[blairdin]

Doh - just posted on the other thread.

 

A great movie but slightly disappointed.

 

The thing that made Bond most movies so likeable was the fact you could leave your brain at the door, eat popcorn and enjoy the yarn. Not Quantum!

 

The action in the Quantum was first class, Craig and Judi dench were both excellent, but there was too much going on and at times the story was moving too fast to follow. It got to the point where the vengevul 007 was just leaving a trail of random dead bodies behind him, and some of the deaths were never really explained by the ending.

 

A great movie, but not as good as it could have been.

 

There is something about Craig - I think he just nails the part of Bond. I really think this same movie with a Piece Brosnan would have been awful.

[Libertonian_II]

I'm not long back from watching it. Thought it was immense. It was better than Casino Royale. Some very good camera work and special effects.

 

Only 7 quid for 100 minutes of exciting action. Why am I going to Tynie tomorrow?

[Guest Freewheelin' Jambo]

I have yet to see QOS but I liked Casino Royale.

 

I remember when Timothy Dalton became Bond and I really thought he would be good. Daniel Craig seems to be getting the same press as Dalton was after "The Living Daylights" which was like Casino Royale a refeshing change when the franchise was dying a death under Moore and then Brosnan. I think Craig and Dalton are similar though they both lack the singular charisma of Connery ie they have no humor or leave anything particularly memorable like Sean did.

 

There also seems, as always when a new Bond appears, a rewriting of history in Craig's case that he is a more "human" figure etc but at the same time he is more ruthless. I could point out that some of the stuff Connery did, like use women as a human shield, shooting unarmed opponents in cold blood, bascially being far and away more ruthless and frankly more believable, that simply would not be allowed to be shown today. Connery also showed infallibility in From Russia With Love when Robert Shaw had the jump on him. The subsequent fight in the train is the quintessential and probably most realistic fight in a Bond film, something that Craig alluded to in the South Bank show when he was asked about his influences.

 

When guys are saying that Craig is better and more realistic and all that stuff, maybe the same people should watch Dr No and From Russia with Love again and see how it should be done. Nobody wore a suit better in a Bond film, no one was more ruthless, no one was more funny and no one was more cool than Sean Connery.

 

And no one ever will.

[Bobby_swing_the_bar]

Just back, saw it tonight. Thought it was good, but not as good as Casino Royale.

 

Lots of action, but sometimes the camera angles are just too fast to see what is going on. Felt the same with the last Bourne film too.

 

I'd still recommend QOS to anyone who likes action movies though.

[Say What Again]

OK. We've establshed that Bond dies twice , but does he get the girl? does he get captured by the baddie and escape?

 

Man, I love the excitement of a new Bond film. You'd think after 22 of them the idea would wear thin, but good old JB keeps the fans guessing!

 

[bighusref]

What I forgot to add is that David Arnold does the score again. Nobody does Bond scores like Arnold IMO, immense.

[Art Vanderlay]

Really liking what they are doing with the Bond character, but the plot of QOS just doesn't cohere very well. As such the movie is nowhere near as audience-friendly as it should be - that's the major disappointment, because the film has all the ingredients to really kick-ass. Unfortunately, it doesn't deliver in all departments.

[The Doctor]

I saw it last night and I thought it was amazing. The set pieces, the action scenes were top notch. The relationship between Bond and M was very well played and handled. The scene at the opera was beautifully filmed and choreographed, very original and clever.

 

Yes, the plot was slight, but I think there are two reasons for this, firstly Bond was motivated by revenge, QoS could really be Casino Royale 2, and I thought that that played out well, particularly with Mathis confirming Vesper's love for Bond, the plot such as it was filled in the bones of this theme. Secondly it set up Bond's classic enemy. In the early books Bond combatted SMERSH, which became SPECTRE in the movies, this has now become Quantum, Bond's archenemy for films to come.

[Gavsy Van Gaverson]

I really enjoyed it.

 

Agree with Bighusref. The main things I noticed about this film were 1) lack of gadgets, and 2) how they have managed to turn Bond into a trained killer (a la Jason Bourne). Good changes though IMO.

[Acey]

Word of advice; refresh your memory regarding the CR plot before you go to see this one. Because I'm stupid, I didn't, and - while I enjoyed the film as a spectacle - the plot pretty much passed me by. I don't really regard it as a Bond film; the purists have a point, but I like the quips/gadgets/hover gondolas. Desmond Llewelyn RIP.

 

Also, I keep forgetting that Felix Leiter is: 1) alive and 2) black now!

[The Doctor]

Word of advice; refresh your memory regarding the CR plot before you go to see this one. Because I'm stupid, I didn't, and - while I enjoyed the film as a spectacle - the plot pretty much passed me by.

 

Also, I keep forgetting that Felix Leiter is: 1) alive and 2) black now!

 

's good advice.

 

I did.

[Gimme an H...]

Who would win a fight, James Bond (Danny Craig) or Jason Bourne?

 

Thought QOS was more like a Bourne film than a Bond film, without the erased identity etc.

 

Anyway thats what got me thinking of the above question...

[Boris]

Bond, because he is half Scots.

[Acey]

As an aside, I went last night with a group of friends, among whom is a total Bondaholic (for want of a much better term); the guy who has facilitated my watching of every Bond in chronological order over the past year and a half. After the bit where Bond chases the agent across the rooftops (towards the start of the film), and eventually gets him, he turned to me and remarked, "Roger Moore would've just taken a taxi."

[Gavsy Van Gaverson]

Word of advice; refresh your memory regarding the CR plot before you go to see this one. Because I'm stupid, I didn't, and - while I enjoyed the film as a spectacle - the plot pretty much passed me by. I don't really regard it as a Bond film; the purists have a point, but I like the quips/gadgets/hover gondolas. Desmond Llewelyn RIP.

 

Also, I keep forgetting that Felix Leiter is: 1) alive and 2) black now!

 

Agreed - I read up on Casino Royale on Wikipedia. Took 5 mins and did the trick to remind me of what happened.

 

[Dix Handley]

Dont think Daniel Craig makes a good bond but i do think he is a damned good

actor, remember seeing him in one of his early films he played a schitzophrenic

trying to (and failing on occasions) to maintain a normal life.

 

Was quite heart wrenching watching him grappling with the torment of

his mental illness.

 

Cant remember what it was called unfortunately, was on telly, years ago.

 

Bondwise i think hes a much more capable actor than the franchise allows.

But as long as he keeps his other foot firmly planted in more challenging,

leftfield projects, dont think it can do him any harm.

[Boris]

Dont think Daniel Craig makes a good bond but i do think he is a damned good

actor, remember seeing him in one of his early films he played a schitzophrenic

trying to (and failing on occasions) to maintain a normal life.

 

Was quite heart wrenching watching him grappling with the torment of

his mental illness.

 

Cant remember what it was called unfortunately, was on telly, years ago.

 

Bondwise i think hes a much more capable actor than the franchise allows.

But as long as he keeps his other foot firmly planted in more challenging,

leftfield projects, dont think it can do him any harm.

 

Geordie in "Our Friends in the North" perhaps?

[Dix Handley]

Geordie in "Our Friends in the North" perhaps?

 

Some Voices, released 2000.

 

Just looked it up the noo.

[Gimme an H...]

As an aside, I went last night with a group of friends, among whom is a total Bondaholic (for want of a much better term); the guy who has facilitated my watching of every Bond in chronological order over the past year and a half. After the bit where Bond chases the agent across the rooftops (towards the start of the film), and eventually gets him, he turned to me and remarked, "Roger Moore would've just taken a taxi."

 

 

I think QOS has taken it to more of just a random axtion film as aposed to a Bond film.

 

Which is sad.

 

There wasn't anything 'Bond' about it.

[Heartbeat]

went on Friday and while it was good IMO not as good as Casino Royale which was a lot to live up to.

 

Agree that the story moved to fast.

 

Call me thick (and I know some will) but at the end when he spoke with M about his relationship with Vesper I couldnt quite understand where that left him about her. Not described it too much for those who have not seen it yet

[The Doctor]

went on Friday and while it was good IMO not as good as Casino Royale which was a lot to live up to.

 

Agree that the story moved to fast.

 

Call me thick (and I know some will) but at the end when he spoke with M about his relationship with Vesper I couldnt quite understand where that left him about her. Not described it too much for those who have not seen it yet

 

He had killed the boyfriend, saved the Canadian agent and so avenged her death (to a degree). M knew this and the conversation, I think, confirmed that he had 'closure'. Also leaving the necklace left lying in the snow suggests that he has now left Vesper behind. The books do say that he makes a pilgrimage to Royale every year to visit Vesper's grave though...

 

In white to avoid spoilers, highlight to read!

[Commander Harris]

doctor, you can use spoiler tags now:

 

[noparse]

gubbins goes here

[/noparse]

 

give you:

 

 

gubbins goes here

 

[cosanostra]

I thought it was very good, the 2nd best Bond film after Casino Royale (i'm not much of a Bond fan).

 

Daniel Craig is excellent and I like the super-violent Bond.

 

Like BH said, the music was outstanding throughout although i didn't like the opening credits Bond theme.

 

Also, like the Doctor said, the opera scene was outstanding.

[The Doctor]

doctor, you can use spoiler tags now:

 

[noparse]

gubbins goes here

[/noparse]

 

give you:

 

 

gubbins goes here

 

Cool

 

Every day's a school day!

 

 

Damn, why didn't it work?

 

Aha! Got it!

[bighusref]

Like this?

 

 

this is cool

 

[Gavsy Van Gaverson]

Like this?

 

 

this is cool

 

 

Bond is gay

 

[JamboRossi79]

As an aside, I went last night with a group of friends, among whom is a total Bondaholic (for want of a much better term); the guy who has facilitated my watching of every Bond in chronological order over the past year and a half. After the bit where Bond chases the agent across the rooftops (towards the start of the film), and eventually gets him, he turned to me and remarked, "Roger Moore would've just taken a taxi."

 

Which reminds me I was going to do exactly that but just never had the time.

[JamboRossi79]

He had killed the boyfriend, saved the Canadian agent and so avenged her death (to a degree). M knew this and the conversation, I think, confirmed that he had 'closure'. Also leaving the necklace left lying in the snow suggests that he has now left Vesper behind. The books do say that he makes a pilgrimage to Royale every year to visit Vesper's grave though...

 

 

In white to avoid spoilers, highlight to read!

 

BTW

 

 

Not quite true I don't think, he didn't kill him physically. He was alive when Bond left the room

 

[Lovecraft]

 

 

 

 

Awwwww, I wish I could work the spoiler thingy

 

[Midloth_Iain]

I think QOS has taken it to more of just a random axtion film as aposed to a Bond film.

 

Which is sad.

 

There wasn't anything 'Bond' about it.

 

Pretty much agree, I suppose it could be an age thing.

 

The film was good as an action pic (in a Bourne / Die Hard way) but was far removed from the James Bond style, no gadgets (no Q), lack of sexual innuendo, lack of any real humour and charisma from J.B. Things you sort of take for granted in Bond films

 

I suppose, as he was working in an unauthorised role for much of the film, it is not surprising there were no gadget scenes, but I think a lot of the traditional Bond fans will be disappointed that it didnt continue in the same vein as previous films, esp after the far better Casino Royale.

 

I also felt some of the action scenes were too random and quick, making it tricky to follow, the camerawork being pretty disappointing

 

Too much money spent for little return in my opinion.

 

Yours, Jonathan Woss

[Legend Claws]

Overall I enjoyed it but there was a terribly slow passage of about 30 mins in the middle!

[bighusref]

Pretty much agree, I suppose it could be an age thing.

 

The film was good as an action pic (in a Bourne / Die Hard way) but was far removed from the James Bond style, no gadgets (no Q), lack of sexual innuendo, lack of any real humour and charisma from J.B. Things you sort of take for granted in Bond films

 

I suppose, as he was working in an unauthorised role for much of the film, it is not surprising there were no gadget scenes, but I think a lot of the traditional Bond fans will be disappointed that it didnt continue in the same vein as previous films, esp after the far better Casino Royale.

 

I also felt some of the action scenes were too random and quick, making it tricky to follow, the camerawork being pretty disappointing

 

Too much money spent for little return in my opinion.

 

Yours, Jonathan Woss

 

You make valid points, but get your age thing the wrong way around IMO.

 

The books, the original James Bond, is far more visible in the new movies. Of course there is more action, in modern times these films always do. In fact, if such a job existed today, I would suspect that it wouldn't be as sanitized as the Sean Connery films. Times have changed, travelling ladies do not fight to the death for the right to date suave British gentlemen, if they had made that today it would be laughed at.

 

I think that those that like "the way they used to make films" would be disappointed and those that like the books would enjoy this movie.

[Acey]

You would struggle to get a scene as classy as the opera scene in QoS in a Roger Moore-style Bond film though.

 

True. That scene was brilliant, except for the fact that we were supposed to believe that Bond could get a perfect picture of someone's face from hundreds of feet away on a phone camera!

[Acey]

Maybe they could have had a scene with John Cleese playing Q earlier in the film, the explain how the camera could take these pictures. They could have given yet more advertising to Sony, and Q could have got to say "Pay attention 007!".

 

On the flip side however, that would be rubbish.

 

No.

 

If it's not...

 

 

I don't want to know about it.

[Ryan Gosling]

It was an eye recognition phone. Duuuh.

[TommyBoy]

Well worth going to see. I guess where it breaks down is that the bad guys are never actually all rounded up. I guess Quantum will reappear at a later stage.

 

Did I hear that the next film will be yet another sequel?

 

Have to say that Craig is fast becoming an excellent Bond.

[Jambo_Gaz]

I saw it last night, it didn't leave me with the same buzz as Casino Royale but that was a lot to live up to. In essence, it's a continuing of a story, that I have no problem with, this Bond is much darker and broodier than say Pierce. It works for me. I'll be quite happy if the next one is a bit more bloated time wise though as I felt this one was a bit on the short side. But no complaints...

 

As for the lack of gadgets. Did you not see the computer in what I presume was MI6 headquarters??? Bloody good stuff!

[Sherlock]

...I suppose, as he was working in an unauthorised role for much of the film, it is not surprising there were no gadget scenes, but I think a lot of the traditional Bond fans will be disappointed that it didnt continue in the same vein as previous films, esp after the far better Casino Royale...

 

IMO, a traditional Bond fan doesn't want to see gadgets or safari suits mostly because the traditional Bond is simply an assassin not a spy.

 

The scene that illustrates this perfectly is in Dr No where Bond cold-bloodily kills Professor Dent in Miss Taro's cabin.

[Bungalow Bill]

Too much Judi Dench for me and Bond didn't even bag the main Bond Girl! What was that all about! 7 out of 10 and I love Bond.

[siegementality]

Saw it last night, still not decided if I liked it or not. I'd be interested to know what the budget was as it appeared to be less of an extravaganza than other Bond films. Must be one of the cheapest made ones for a while. Craig is a great Bond but Judi Dench, who I like in other films, gets on my tits as M.

[Ryan Gosling]

Saw it last night, still not decided if I liked it or not. I'd be interested to know what the budget was as it appeared to be less of an extravaganza than other Bond films. Must be one of the cheapest made ones for a while. Craig is a great Bond but Judi Dench, who I like in other films, gets on my tits as M.

 

 

$230,000,000.

[siegementality]

$230,000,000.

 

How does that relate to previous Bond films? and WTF did they spend that amount of money on?