iainmac Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 There will come a time soon when we need to put petty footballing rivalries to bed - amongst each other on JKB and with our neighbours across the city. Sunday 9th November at Haymarket - this will probably be one of the most significant and poignant Remembrance Services ever held at the Clock, given that the Council would like to confine this memorial and it's location to the pages of history. We can't and won't allow this to happen - this would be a terrible affront to the memory of all the lads from Edinburgh and surrounding districts who were brave enough to sign up for the cause in 1914. They didn't let anyone down and fought side by side, irrespective of what club they played for or supported - now it's our turn not to let them down. We don't have to suffer the horrors of war or face the prospect of never returning home to our loved ones. All we have to do is turn up in numbers on Sunday 9th November and give up 45 minutes of our time and show this insensitive Council what we think of their proposal to move the memorial. It's not too much to ask, is it? I would be grateful if someone could post this on Hibs.net - please, no points scoring on this occasion. This is too important. Some context - a letter from Captain Peter Ross to Mrs Watt, telling her that her son (Edward) won't be coming home. Sent on the 30th June 1916 Dear Mrs watt, It falls to me to perform a painful duty. Last night the 16th Royal Scots were ordered to send out a patrol. Your son, Edward, volunteered to take part with eleven of his pals from 'A' company. After getting through the German wire, the machine-guns opened fire on them. Your brave son was killed. It was the fate of three others also, whilst two were wounded, one of them seriously. I could hardly regret the boy's death more if he were my own son. He was one of the best men in the battalion. It is over a month now since the Colonel sent in your boy's name for a special reward for his conduct. He was one of the first men in my Company to get home on leave owing to his magnificent work in the field. Quite apart from that, he was a very popular lad. He was alongside his officer last night when this happened. The heavy wire they found was the cause of the calamity. But they have not died in vain. The Colonel authorises me to say that he is told by our General that the information obtained by the patrol has been the means of saving the lives of hundreds of men. Sir George is also greatly grieved over your son's death and asks me to convey his deepest respects. I assure you that you have my heartfelt sympathy. I only wish that I could have brought the boy home with me, but I know not what awaits myself tomorrow. I put my trust in God and go to my duty with one of the finest Companies in the British Army. I have the honour to be, Yours very sincerely, Peter Ross, Captain 'A' Company 16th Royal Scots. Captain Ross was killed in action the next day.* *source: McCrae's Battalion by Jack Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 The most sensible post on here for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Can we have a sticky please mods? I've just copied and pasted it to hibs.net, as Iain requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Can we have a sticky please mods? I've just copied and pasted it to hibs.net, as Iain requested. We won't be stickying the thread just yet, because we find that some threads get read more in the first few days if they aren't stickied. However, we will be working over the next 17-18 days to encourage the maximum possible attendance at Haymarket on the 9th, and also at the Remembrance Sunday lunch that takes place shortly after the service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Nooo....no sticky! People don't notice them as much and this needs to be noticed. Great post Iain and I absolutely agree. I really hope we get the numbers on November 9th.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 We won't be stickying the thread just yet, because we find that some threads get read more in the first few days if they aren't stickied. However, we will be working over the next 17-18 days to encourage the maximum possible attendance at Haymarket on the 9th, and also at the Remembrance Sunday lunch that takes place shortly after the service. Good stuff Uly - and apologies for the request! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Without wishing to appear small minded I would be mighty surprised if any Hibs supporters supported our cause. If they were to do so it would be to their great credit, and in some small way show that they can rise above team rivalries! This would in my opinion strengthen our case, if a united front was shown to the council. I won't be holding my breath though........ Further more (and I may have missed it not living in the East), surely our politicians should be more vocal in support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Without wishing to appear small minded I would be mighty surprised if any Hibs supporters supported our cause. If they were to do so it would be to their great credit, and in some small way show that they can rise above team rivalries! This would in my opinion strengthen our case, if a united front was shown to the council. I won't be holding my breath though........ Further more (and I may have missed it not living in the East), surely our politicians should be more vocal in support! If supporters of Hibernian Football Club made the effort to lay wreaths at the Memorial at Contalmaison (which they have done!), I'm sure that quite a number will continue to attend the wreath-laying ceremony at Haymarket - regardless of views about it being solely a 'Hearts memorial'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 If supporters of Hibernian Football Club made the effort to lay wreaths at the Memorial at Contalmaison (which they have done!), I'm sure that quite a number will continue to attend the wreath-laying ceremony at Haymarket - regardless of views about it being solely a 'Hearts memorial'. Hibs directors have made the effort to travel and lay a wreath. One did so this year yet no Hearts director could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ando Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hibs directors have made the effort to travel and lay a wreath. One did so this year yet no Hearts director could. sergi did it the first year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennygarland1 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Can we have a sticky please mods? I've just copied and pasted it to hibs.net, as Iain requested. When did you return:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 When did you return:eek: Two days ago mate: do keep up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 When did you return:eek: Two days ago mate: do keep up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennygarland1 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Two days ago mate: do keep up! Welcome back,and glad you had a change of heart(no pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Two days ago mate: do keep up! greetin' faced lassie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Thanks guys. Iain, mods (and speedbump): huge apologies for this thread going off topic. That ends now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeToonJambo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Sunday 9th November at Haymarket - this will probably be one of the most significant and poignant Remembrance Services ever held at the Clock, given that the Council would like to confine this memorial and it's location to the pages of history. Not living in Edinburgh I'm a bit out of touch but did the BBC not report that the council had relented and the memorial would be returned to its rightful position after the tramworks are finished? Or did I imagine that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tams bird Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Some older Hbbees have been going for years, but as no one wears scarfs nobody would know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Sunday 9th November at Haymarket - this will probably be one of the most significant and poignant Remembrance Services ever held at the Clock, given that the Council would like to confine this memorial and it's location to the pages of history. Not living in Edinburgh I'm a bit out of touch but did the BBC not report that the council had relented and the memorial would be returned to its rightful position after the tramworks are finished? Or did I imagine that? No, you're right but the Council want to put the memorial into storage for at least 2 years. Jack's post refers. http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/579525-post145.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Good post Iain. The wife and I will be there on the 9th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeToonJambo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 No, you're right but the Council want to put the memorial into storage for at least 2 years. Jack's post refers. http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/579525-post145.html Thanks for that. I think I'm clear now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doogle98 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Bloody good post . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 BTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Good post Ian. Even in this modern age, that was a powerful letter from Captain Ross! More so with the last few lines and his ultimate demise. Was I the only one who got a shiver down the spine reading that letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Without wishing to appear small minded I would be mighty surprised if any Hibs supporters supported our cause. If they were to do so it would be to their great credit, and in some small way show that they can rise above team rivalries! This would in my opinion strengthen our case, if a united front was shown to the council. I won't be holding my breath though........ Further more (and I may have missed it not living in the East), surely our politicians should be more vocal in support! Incorrect,they have been in attendance every year I have and it is to their credit. They even turned up the year nobody at all from Hearts did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Well said everybody on this thread. The bigger the turn out this year the better. I hope to see you all (and more) there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Speedy and friends will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Good post Ian. Even in this modern age, that was a powerful letter from Captain Ross! More so with the last few lines and his ultimate demise. Was I the only one who got a shiver down the spine reading that letter? No you're not The fact he was well aware he might be next, and indeed was, just underlines why their sacrifice has to be remembered Anyway, I know we really shouldn't have to view it this way but a large turnout on Sunday might spike the guns amongst the ' well who's actually bothered nowadays' camp in the Council Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordy Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Good post Ian. Even in this modern age, that was a powerful letter from Captain Ross! More so with the last few lines and his ultimate demise. Was I the only one who got a shiver down the spine reading that letter? No mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Quite probably a stupid question.... I assume the service will be starting at 11 on the 9th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 If supporters of Hibernian Football Club made the effort to lay wreaths at the Memorial at Contalmaison (which they have done!), I'm sure that quite a number will continue to attend the wreath-laying ceremony at Haymarket - regardless of views about it being solely a 'Hearts memorial'. As you quite rightly state, the War Memorial at Haymarket is in honour of the Hearts players, Staff, and Supporters who gave their lives, rather than McCrea's Battalion who are remembered at Contalmsion. It is worth making people aware that despite that fact, and to their credit, Hibernian Football Club have laid a wreath at Haymarket for a good few years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Bit miffed at poster who suggests Hibs fans would not make effort to attend. I'm sure many of our lot would make the trip if it was the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beverley Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 just to bump this back to the top i'll be making an effort to attend this year as i never made it last year Was I the only one who got a shiver down the spine reading that letter? fraggle, have you read Jacks book?? if you get goosebumps reading that letter, you'll love the book... in fact, you would love it anyway! i was crying and laughing all the way through it. definitely worth reading In Flanders field the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. Major John McCrae, May 1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 i will be in attendance for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 A poignant letter from a must read book. Will be there as ever on the 9th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin hood jambo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Having moved back from ingerlund this wil be my first chance to show my respect and i will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I will be taking my two boys with me this year,i think that it is important that they begin to understand why we honour those who perished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I will be taking my two boys with me this year,i think that it is important that they begin to understand why we honour those who perished. I believe a group of about 40 pupils and staff from Tynecastle High school have just returned from Belgium and France where they were on a battlefields trip. The group visited Contalmaison where they laid a wreath at the Memorial and visited a battlefield cemetery nearby where some of the 16th Royal Scots are buried. I believe you might see an even larger contingent at the service from the school this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 My old school Craigmount takes, or at least used to when I was there, the history students over there. I think it's a very good thing, not enough is taught about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Good post Ian. Even in this modern age, that was a powerful letter from Captain Ross! More so with the last few lines and his ultimate demise. Was I the only one who got a shiver down the spine reading that letter? No, and I'm "a bit" of a cynic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltonjambo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Please make this year our biggest attendance at the service for many a year, it is vitally important that we keep the pressure up on this council ... we need to resist the idea that this memorial is moved for two years ... this is abject nonsense and two years is a non starter ... we also need to ensure that this memorial is secure from any such behaviours of this sort in the future ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest juvehearts Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Im positive that this November 9th All roads leading to Haymarkey will be closed because of the turn out. everyone I know will be in attendance. Juve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Im positive that this November 9th All roads leading to Haymarkey will be closed because of the turn out. everyone I know will be in attendance. Juve I must check out the current state of play on my way to Tynie on Saturday. I past there about 3 weeks ago and the Clock's own traffic Island has been whittled away to nearly feck all, with barriers everywhere else ! Could be quite tricky making it safe for a large crowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBjambo Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 There will come a time soon when we need to put petty footballing rivalries to bed - amongst each other on JKB and with our neighbours across the city. Sunday 9th November at Haymarket - this will probably be one of the most significant and poignant Remembrance Services ever held at the Clock, given that the Council would like to confine this memorial and it's location to the pages of history. We can't and won't allow this to happen - this would be a terrible affront to the memory of all the lads from Edinburgh and surrounding districts who were brave enough to sign up for the cause in 1914. They didn't let anyone down and fought side by side, irrespective of what club they played for or supported - now it's our turn not to let them down. We don't have to suffer the horrors of war or face the prospect of never returning home to our loved ones. All we have to do is turn up in numbers on Sunday 9th November and give up 45 minutes of our time and show this insensitive Council what we think of their proposal to move the memorial. It's not too much to ask, is it? I would be grateful if someone could post this on Hibs.net - please, no points scoring on this occasion. This is too important. Some context - a letter from Captain Peter Ross to Mrs Watt, telling her that her son (Edward) won't be coming home. Sent on the 30th June 1916 Dear Mrs watt, It falls to me to perform a painful duty. Last night the 16th Royal Scots were ordered to send out a patrol. Your son, Edward, volunteered to take part with eleven of his pals from 'A' company. After getting through the German wire, the machine-guns opened fire on them. Your brave son was killed. It was the fate of three others also, whilst two were wounded, one of them seriously. I could hardly regret the boy's death more if he were my own son. He was one of the best men in the battalion. It is over a month now since the Colonel sent in your boy's name for a special reward for his conduct. He was one of the first men in my Company to get home on leave owing to his magnificent work in the field. Quite apart from that, he was a very popular lad. He was alongside his officer last night when this happened. The heavy wire they found was the cause of the calamity. But they have not died in vain. The Colonel authorises me to say that he is told by our General that the information obtained by the patrol has been the means of saving the lives of hundreds of men. Sir George is also greatly grieved over your son's death and asks me to convey his deepest respects. I assure you that you have my heartfelt sympathy. I only wish that I could have brought the boy home with me, but I know not what awaits myself tomorrow. I put my trust in God and go to my duty with one of the finest Companies in the British Army. I have the honour to be, Yours very sincerely, Peter Ross, Captain 'A' Company 16th Royal Scots. Captain Ross was killed in action the next day.* *source: McCrae's Battalion by Jack Alexander Wonderful post. Very poignant and moving indeed. I shall be at the service this year as always... it is the very least any of us can do. There but for the grace of God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedp6873 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 good posting and a wee BTTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltonjambo Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 We need to keep this up here as a reminder guys ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I must check out the current state of play on my way to Tynie on Saturday.I past there about 3 weeks ago and the Clock's own traffic Island has been whittled away to nearly feck all, with barriers everywhere else ! Could be quite tricky making it safe for a large crowd Anyone got any info on the roadworks that could cause problems for those planning to attend on the 9th ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest juvehearts Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 anyone know the travel situatation for sunday for our fans that live far away? juve ps a wee btttt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 anyone know the travel situatation for sunday for our fans that live far away? juve ps a wee btttt. Unless your local supporters bus is putting a bus on I suspect it is make your own way there. Be there for 10:30/10:45 and you'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest juvehearts Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Unless your local supporters bus is putting a bus on I suspect it is make your own way there. Be there for 10:30/10:45 and you'll be fine. mines always does every day, called LRT lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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