billco98 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It transpires that the richest man in Russia, Oleg Deripaska (reputedly worth ?17 Billion), who is currently suing Vlad and Rodney for ?7m in connection with an alleged fraud involving an Aluminium deal, is now involved in an allegation that the smarmy Tory shadow chancellor, George Osborne, may have been tapping him for a donation to Tory Party funds. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7681464.stm http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/latestnews/Richest-man-in-Russia-39is.4608326.jp I wait with interest to see Coppercrutch's response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 US Expensive lamb chains! Did I win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I feel quite chuffed I worked that out:) Tenuous link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Expensive lamb chains! Did I win? It's good but it's not right................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I feel quite chuffed I worked that out:) Tenuous link. Well done:welldone: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It's not all that tenuous a link, really. The guy is suing our owner and if that isn't enough to warrant space on this board, he is also rumoured to be interested in snapping up a UK football team of his own. Or at least he was, until everyone else starting suing HIM...and for billions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It makes me a little anxious that Vlad has done business with Deripaska. I hope it is just down to the fact that Deripaska is so omnipotent in Eastern European business life that you cant really do business out there without doing business with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It makes me a little anxious that Vlad has done business with Deripaska. I hope it is just down to the fact that Deripaska is so omnipotent in Eastern European business life that you cant really do business out there without doing business with him. Deripaska seems to be the main man when it comes to aluminium and various other things. I suppose it would make sense that they might cross paths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I thought the reason they were doing "business" is that Vlad outbid for a metal plant in Mostar, after it was "promised" to Deripaska? It also seems that Mr Deripaska sues anyone he wants when he doesnt get his way. He's suing Montenegro as well is he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 To be fair, he has changed over the years. Rather than sue, he used to assassinate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I thought the reason they were doing "business" is that Vlad outbid for a metal plant in Mostar, after it was "promised" to Deripaska? It also seems that Mr Deripaska sues anyone he wants when he doesnt get his way. He's suing Montenegro as well is he not? From what I've seen, I think the Mostar plant thing happened a year or so after they made the deal mentioned in the NOTW. So they obviously had more than one deal on the go...all sounds a bit complicated, either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I thought the reason they were doing "business" is that Vlad outbid for a metal plant in Mostar, after it was "promised" to Deripaska? It also seems that Mr Deripaska sues anyone he wants when he doesnt get his way. He's suing Montenegro as well is he not? The whole country? I saw a picture of him in the MoTW next to that other Russian thug Putin. He looked like a nasty NF skinhead tbh and he's one of the richest men in Europe!!! Christ on a bike! It has to have been gifted in the first place a la Abramovich then built on intimidation etc etc because he don't look like an entrepreneur, well at least not like we know them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester™ Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 From what I've seen, I think the Mostar plant thing happened a year or so after they made the deal mentioned in the NOTW. So they obviously had more than one deal on the go...all sounds a bit complicated, either way. Im was going on what was posted on the thread about the two from a couple of days ago. Whatever Vlad was being sued for has either been settled or in a very advanced stage of being settled. Even if there was more than one deal on the go, even though our owner seems to practise questionable business tactics, this Deripaska dude, seems even worse. To sue an entire nation because the price of electricity went up seems a tad OTT! It also seems Deripaska is losing money quicker than Hearts have over the last couple of years and is looking to regain his cash. Oligarchs seem to have this "my dad is bigger than yours" mentality, so it wouldnt surprise me if such a legal case is along those lines. Most business deals from the former Eastern Bloc deals seem to have more twists and plot turns than the average thriller. I suspect this is yet another one. EDIT: ive just seen the post above, and I gather that yes, its the whole nation. Its also a place where the Russian government would like to have more control.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Im was going on what was posted on the thread about the two from a couple of days ago. Whatever Vlad was being sued for has either been settled or in a very advanced stage of being settled. Even if there was more than one deal on the go, even though our owner seems to practise questionable business tactics, this Deripaska dude, seems even worse. To sue an entire nation because the price of electricity went up seems a tad OTT! It also seems Deripaska is losing money quicker than Hearts have over the last couple of years and is looking to regain his cash. Oligarchs seem to have this "my dad is bigger than yours" mentality, so it wouldnt surprise me if such a legal case is along those lines. Most business deals from the former Eastern Bloc deals seem to have more twists and plot turns than the average thriller. I suspect this is yet another one. EDIT: ive just seen the post above, and I gather that yes, its the whole nation. Its also a place where the Russian government would like to have more control.... Quelle Surprise!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Expensive lamb chains! Did I win? It's not often a Doctor makes me laugh, but that did ! Congratulations Dr Bapswent, sheer comic genius !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It makes me a little anxious that Vlad has done business with Deripaska. I hope it is just down to the fact that Deripaska is so omnipotent in Eastern European business life that you cant really do business out there without doing business with him. IIt makes me anxious, given I am mory Tory than Labour that they may have been sniffing around him. Just shows our politicians, from all parties are more crooked than Vald will ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 IIt makes me anxious, given I am mory Tory than Labour that they may have been sniffing around him. Just shows our politicians, from all parties are more crooked than Vald will ever be. I believe that the last person to enter the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I believe that the last person to enter the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes ! With the benefit of hindsight, a shame he failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Freewheelin' Jambo Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Great to see that oily Tory git Osborne squirming. These *******s will never change. 'Judgement and Character' I've sh*t 'em. Just handed Gordon a few points in the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It transpires that the richest man in Russia, Oleg Deripaska (reputedly worth ?17 Billion), who is currently suing Vlad and Rodney for ?7m in connection with an alleged fraud involving an Aluminium deal, is now involved in an allegation that the smarmy Tory shadow chancellor, George Osborne, may have been tapping him for a donation to Tory Party funds. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7681464.stm http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/latestnews/Richest-man-in-Russia-39is.4608326.jp I wait with interest to see Coppercrutch's response. Might seem like a daft question (OK, it is a daft question), but why are you specifically looking for, or hoping for, a response from one particular poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billco98 Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 Might seem like a daft question (OK, it is a daft question), but why are you specifically looking for, or hoping for, a response from one particular poster. Oh' it's just that Coppercrutch usually has some strong opinions on such matters so I was looking forward to any comments he might make on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Oh' it's just that Coppercrutch usually has some strong opinions on such matters so I was looking forward to any comments he might make on this thread. Is there not a rule to say that you mustn't mention someone who has not contributed to the post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Oh' it's just that Coppercrutch usually has some strong opinions on such matters so I was looking forward to any comments he might make on this thread. I think it all stinks. Shadow chancellor. From a long line of Lords and gentry. Doesn't seem to be much else to explain why he is in the position of power he finds himself. On holiday with Mandelson. Sleazy horrible man who has got away with so much he must have serious stuff on so many people. Mandelson at the time was in charge of an EU department that dealt in tariffs for Aluminum trades. Where were they on holiday ? The yacht of a mega rich Russian oligarch - Deripaska. His business ? Aluminium. Osbourne decides to leak info to the press about Mandleson. Mandelson then returns to cabinet. Oh yes forgot to mention Mandelson is actually a Lord now. same guy who was investigated for seriously dodgy mortgage deal, which he surprisingly got off scot free with. Osbourne's boss Cameron is also mates with another man on the boat, none other than a member of the secretive and always linked to many dodgy goings ons - the Rothschilds. Reputed to have a much larger control over the World's banking system than they admit. Rothschild then writes a letter to the papers about Osbourne making dodgy advances to the Russian. Osbourne is big trouble. Looks like Osbourne is getting it in the neck for divulging secrets of these big boys meetings. He broke the rules - he pays the price. As for Vlad. He is a small fry in amongst all this real power. It is going ons like this that make many of the 'crazy' conspiracy theories out there look perfectly reasonable. In fact it makes some of them look rather boring in comparison........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billco98 Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 I think it all stinks. Shadow chancellor. From a long line of Lords and gentry. Doesn't seem to be much else to explain why he is in the position of power he finds himself. On holiday with Mandelson. Sleazy horrible man who has got away with so much he must have serious stuff on so many people. Mandelson at the time was in charge of an EU department that dealt in tariffs for Aluminum trades. Where were they on holiday ? The yacht of a mega rich Russian oligarch - Deripaska. His business ? Aluminium. Osbourne decides to leak info to the press about Mandleson. Mandelson then returns to cabinet. Oh yes forgot to mention Mandelson is actually a Lord now. same guy who was investigated for seriously dodgy mortgage deal, which he surprisingly got off scot free with. Osbourne's boss Cameron is also mates with another man on the boat, none other than a member of the secretive and always linked to many dodgy goings ons - the Rothschilds. Reputed to have a much larger control over the World's banking system than they admit. Rothschild then writes a letter to the papers about Osbourne making dodgy advances to the Russian. Osbourne is big trouble. Looks like Osbourne is getting it in the neck for divulging secrets of these big boys meetings. He broke the rules - he pays the price. As for Vlad. He is a small fry in amongst all this real power. It is going ons like this that make many of the 'crazy' conspiracy theories out there look perfectly reasonable. In fact it makes some of them look rather boring in comparison........ Thankyou, Coppercrutch, for a concise and fair summation of events so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I think it all stinks. Shadow chancellor. From a long line of Lords and gentry. Doesn't seem to be much else to explain why he is in the position of power he finds himself. On holiday with Mandelson. Sleazy horrible man who has got away with so much he must have serious stuff on so many people. Mandelson at the time was in charge of an EU department that dealt in tariffs for Aluminum trades. Where were they on holiday ? The yacht of a mega rich Russian oligarch - Deripaska. His business ? Aluminium. Osbourne decides to leak info to the press about Mandleson. Mandelson then returns to cabinet. Oh yes forgot to mention Mandelson is actually a Lord now. same guy who was investigated for seriously dodgy mortgage deal, which he surprisingly got off scot free with. Osbourne's boss Cameron is also mates with another man on the boat, none other than a member of the secretive and always linked to many dodgy goings ons - the Rothschilds. Reputed to have a much larger control over the World's banking system than they admit. Rothschild then writes a letter to the papers about Osbourne making dodgy advances to the Russian. Osbourne is big trouble. Looks like Osbourne is getting it in the neck for divulging secrets of these big boys meetings. He broke the rules - he pays the price. As for Vlad. He is a small fry in amongst all this real power. It is going ons like this that make many of the 'crazy' conspiracy theories out there look perfectly reasonable. In fact it makes some of them look rather boring in comparison........ You're becoming a more and more of a comrade as each day passes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 You're becoming a more and more of a comrade as each day passes! Coppercrutch in real life: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Thankyou, Coppercrutch, for a concise and fair summation of events so far. No probs. Although much of that was from the media - maybe they are all on the wind up too? Just seems like this whole thing is a big game. Not funny for many though. You're becoming a more and more of a comrade as each day passes! Boris !! I just think power corrupts. That goes for so called socialism and so called capitalism too. There is always someone in charge - and they will invariably be a complete ****. Talking of ***** - according to some sources: this meeting on the yacht was the one where Mandelson called Brown a **** - rhymes with hunt This was just prior to getting moved back into Brown's close team.... What the **** is going on !! He must have some serious juice on Brown I imagine. I think there seems to be one main thought of what that could be.... Clue - He apparently never gets too friendly with his wife. Or maybe that's all just a rumour to **** Brown over too. All too complicated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 No probs. Although much of that was from the media - maybe they are all on the wind up too? Just seems like this whole thing is a big game. Not funny for many though. Boris !! I just think power corrupts. That goes for so called socialism and so called capitalism too. There is always someone in charge - and they will invariably be a complete ****. Talking of ***** - according to some sources: this meeting on the yacht was the one where Mandelson called Brown a **** - rhymes with hunt This was just prior to getting moved back into Brown's close team.... What the **** is going on !! He must have some serious juice on Brown I imagine. I think there seems to be one main thought of what that could be.... Clue - He apparently never gets too friendly with his wife. Or maybe that's all just a rumour to **** Brown over too. All too complicated... That rumour's been around for years, CC - God knows if it's true or not, and it's really of no import anyway. I think Mandy was brought back for his contacts, organisational ability, and as a sop to the Blairites: showing that Brown wasn't one to hold grudges, basically (of course though, he very much does!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 No probs. Although much of that was from the media - maybe they are all on the wind up too? Just seems like this whole thing is a big game. Not funny for many though. Boris !! I just think power corrupts. That goes for so called socialism and so called capitalism too. There is always someone in charge - and they will invariably be a complete ****. Talking of ***** - according to some sources: this meeting on the yacht was the one where Mandelson called Brown a **** - rhymes with hunt This was just prior to getting moved back into Brown's close team.... What the **** is going on !! He must have some serious juice on Brown I imagine. I think there seems to be one main thought of what that could be.... Clue - He apparently never gets too friendly with his wife. Or maybe that's all just a rumour to **** Brown over too. All too complicated... Anarchist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Anarchist! Hang on Boris. If CC's an anarchist, that makes him an extreme libertarian, and hence on the right. Baws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 That rumour's been around for years, CC - God knows if it's true or not, and it's really of no import anyway. I think Mandy was brought back for his contacts, organisational ability, and as a sop to the Blairites: showing that Brown wasn't one to hold grudges, basically (of course though, he very much does!). Nah I don't think it's a big deal either. If it is true however lying about it is a rather big deal. Anyway I reckon half the boys in the commons are up to that sort of stuff. Far too many strange meetings taking place.. No smoke without fire and all. As for Mandelson - something rather unsavoury about that chap. Even if he does manage to do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Examiner Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 George Osbourne is the Shadowy Chancer? (fetches coat.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T.F.Robertson Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Anarchist! CC's baader than bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 This one is for you Boris. Was just saying on another thread that the French anthem is great. However the best IMO is the Soviet one. At least communism is good for something - Acoustic guitar hits on Youtube. Quality. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T0GejZj4h2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 This one is for you Boris. Was just saying on another thread that the French anthem is great. However the best IMO is the Soviet one. At least communism is good for something - Acoustic guitar hits on Youtube. Quality. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T0GejZj4h2c Don't forget this one either: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IrJ_zfENj_c&feature=related This one always gets me tip-tapping away: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=atzIya14uV4 And this one is just incredibly moving and beautiful: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qW5qh-wy2Zk&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Interesting that CC spends most of his posts on this thread talking about the bit part player Mandelson rather than the Tory Osborne!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 How do you know he's a bit part player? He's got some serious previous. Page 5 - no online link I'm afraid- of the Torygraph outlined a very interesting connection between Mandelson, Deripaska and Rothschild. Basically, Rothshild works or worked as the sole employee of the American firm Atticus. This firm and Deripaska employ a communications firm run by a close friend of Mandy. All very odd?! As for Osborne - it wouldn't be the worst thing for the Tories if he falls on his sword. He's been weak in this crisis. If I were Cameron, I'd ask Ken Clarke to step back in to the role of (shadow) chancellor. Better record than Brown , unwilling to save Tory seats in 1997 by mortgaging the future of the country and a hide as tough as a rhinoceros. Interesting that CC spends most of his posts on this thread talking about the bit part player Mandelson rather than the Tory Osborne!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Great to see that oily Tory git Osborne squirming. These *******s will never change. 'Judgement and Character' I've sh*t 'em. Just handed Gordon a few points in the polls. Like noo labur are whiter than white. Oh and apparently the committee that decide if there is wrong doing regarding these things can find absolutely no evidence that there has been any wrong doing. Having said that I can't take to Osbourne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Interesting that CC spends most of his posts on this thread talking about the bit part player Mandelson rather than the Tory Osborne!!! "Bit part" player !! Mandelson ?!! You are having a laugh. I think it is well known he has his fingers in a LOT of pies. Anyway Osbourne is just a poor shadow Chancellor. He is in over his head. He has got in with a crowd of people he clearly does not understand. Out of his depth big style. I agree with the above poster that Osbourne going would actually be great for the Tories. Clarke or Hague would be far better placed to be shadow chancellor. Mandelson is a far more interesting character. That is probably why I mentioned him more. Sinister I think is the word I would use. Osbourne is not really worth talking about IMO. Anyway what is it with people on this website with political allegiances ?!! From what I have read most have political allegiences similar to that of a football fan. Undying loyalty. I have no idea why. The Labour and SNP voters on this site are the worst IMO………it's like some sort of brainwashed undying 100% commitment to the 'cause'. All the parties are pretty useless IMO. I just vote for the one I think is slightly less useless than the rest. I have NEVER heard an SNP or Labour voter saying the same thing. Come on someone - prove me wrong !! Please !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Osborne was accused by someone who is a well known Tory supporter and a close friend who was outraged by his behaviour. Mandelson was present at the yacht and dinner but the well known Tory chose not to chastise him. That makes Mandelson a bit part player IMO and this is all about Osborne's antics, character and judgement. Take lot of Tories anywhere anywhere near a trough of money and they'll stick their snout in it. Take most Labour folk near a trough of money and they'll spend it on public services. Therein lies the difference. And BTW watching Cameron and Osborne cowering on the oppposition benches in the face of flack reminded me that 'this is no time for novices'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/georgeosborne/3244297/George-Osborne-warned-stop-rubbishing-Rothschild-or-youre-finished.html George Osborne warned: 'stop rubbishing' Rothschild or you're finished So a private banker wields this sort of power over a man who was destined to be Britains 2nd most powerful politician soon…………….. See all these 'loonies' and their talk of conspiracies, bildebergers, NWO etc.. I actually think they may well be spot on. They are getting overt with their operations these days. Not even bothering to deny what they are doing. Quite worrying really. Rothschilds initial letter was in the Times. Now there is an article in the Telegraph warning Osbourne to keep away from Rothschild..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Osborne was accused by someone who is a well known Tory supporter and a close friend who was outraged by his behaviour. Mandelson was present at the yacht and dinner but the well known Tory chose not to chastise him. That makes Mandelson a bit part player IMO and this is all about Osborne's antics, character and judgement. Take lot of Tories anywhere anywhere near a trough of money and they'll stick their snout in it. Take most Labour folk near a trough of money and they'll spend it on public services. Therein lies the difference. And BTW watching Cameron and Osborne cowering on the oppposition benches in the face of flack reminded me that 'this is no time for novices'. And there, almost perfectly, my initial point is proven. From what I have read most have political allegiences similar to that of a football fan. Undying loyalty. I have no idea why. The Labour and SNP voters on this site are the worst IMO???it's like some sort of brainwashed undying 100% commitment to the 'cause' 'Jambos are go you' seriously must be one of the most na?ve person I have ever encountered !! Incredible. Mandelson was a "bit part" player on that boat. There is a difference between Labour and the Tories when it comes to putting their noses in the trough. Seriously you couldn't make this stuff up. Priceless. I am just glad I am not as na?ve as some in this country. Not much I can do about what is going on but it is better to at least understand it a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 And there, almost perfectly, my initial point is proven. I. 'Jambos are go you' seriously must be one of the most na?ve person I have ever encountered !! Incredible. Mandelson was a "bit part" player on that boat. There is a difference between Labour and the Tories when it comes to putting their noses in the trough. Seriously you couldn't make this stuff up. Priceless. I am just glad I am not as na?ve as some in this country. Not much I can do about what is going on but it is better to at least understand it a little. I said Mandelson was a bit part player in the Tory sleaze and there is absolutely no evidence or suggestion that he was present at the discussion . It would I suggests BTW that you are naive if you think Osborne would be stupid enough to discuss Tory party business/ funding in the presence of Mandelson. I'm certainly not naive enough not to know you are following a basically right wing Tory agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 What utter guff. There's never been a government in the history of GB more in hock (and awe) to the rich and famous than this lot. One trough of money was the average person's pension fund and they certainly spent that on the public services mostly entirely wastefully - great planning! The problem with Labour is that they'll spend money the country doesn't have and it is clearer more and more that this has been spectacular folly. The Tories will have to clear this mess up - hopefully sooner rather than later. Osborne was accused by someone who is a well known Tory supporter and a close friend who was outraged by his behaviour. Mandelson was present at the yacht and dinner but the well known Tory chose not to chastise him. That makes Mandelson a bit part player IMO and this is all about Osborne's antics, character and judgement. Take lot of Tories anywhere anywhere near a trough of money and they'll stick their snout in it. Take most Labour folk near a trough of money and they'll spend it on public services. Therein lies the difference. And BTW watching Cameron and Osborne cowering on the oppposition benches in the face of flack reminded me that 'this is no time for novices'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 What utter guff. There's never been a government in the history of GB more in hock (and awe) to the rich and famous than this lot. One trough of money was the average person's pension fund and they certainly spent that on the public services mostly entirely wastefully - great planning! The problem with Labour is that they'll spend money the country doesn't have and it is clearer more and more that this has been spectacular folly. The Tories will have to clear this mess up - hopefully sooner rather than later. Couldn't agree more with you. All the money robbed from pensions was poured into the NHS and instead of being used to promote clinical excellence and reduced waiting times - what did we get? Layer after layer of bureaucracy and nothing jobs like "Condom Administrator" or "Real Nappy Coordinator". Now they are borrowing even more to bail themselves out of the hole that they them selves have created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I said Mandelson was a bit part player in the Tory sleaze and there is absolutely no evidence or suggestion that he was present at the discussion . It would I suggests BTW that you are naive if you think Osborne would be stupid enough to discuss Tory party business/ funding in the presence of Mandelson. I'm certainly not naive enough not to know you are following a basically right wing Tory agenda. :eek: I think you will find I have stated in this very thread I think the Tories are almost as useless as the rest of them. How exactly does that fit in with 'following their agenda'? For your own good you need to open your eyes to what is going on. Undying loyalty to one political party is one of the most ludicrous notions people can have - IMO. Let's look at the facts of this case. Massive yacht. One massively wealthy and no doubt dodgy Russian Oligarch. One massively wealthy and probably even more powerful Rothschild. One Tory MP. One Labour peer. And yet according to you this is 'Tory sleaze'????. Wake up and smell the ****ing coffee man !! No this is: Tory sleaze. Labour sleaze. World dynasty banking sleaze. House of Lords sleaze. Russian sleaze. The actual potential donation, IMO, is of little interest. The simple fact that these people are meeting at all is the far more interesting aspect. What do you think Mandelson, who was involved in setting Aluminium tariffs, was talking to the Russian Aluminium Billionaire about ? The weather ? How Alloa Athletic are doing this year ? Wake up !! Nearly all of them are 'at it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Osborne was accused by someone who is a well known Tory supporter and a close friend who was outraged by his behaviour. Mandelson was present at the yacht and dinner but the well known Tory chose not to chastise him. That makes Mandelson a bit part player IMO and this is all about Osborne's antics, character and judgement. Take lot of Tories anywhere anywhere near a trough of money and they'll stick their snout in it. Take most Labour folk near a trough of money and they'll spend it on public services. Therein lies the difference. And BTW watching Cameron and Osborne cowering on the oppposition benches in the face of flack reminded me that 'this is no time for novices'. What utter tosh. Clearly a died in the wool labur supporter. Mandy is anything but a bit part player. This whole thing has come about because Osborne opened his gob and told the press what Mandy said in a private gathering. He is a very sinister man is P Mandleson. On the other hand Osborne is just a schoolboy, a very silly schoolboy at that. And CC is right he's way over his head in the shadow chancellor role. Cameron needs to re-shuffle him out of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 :eek: I think you will find I have stated in this very thread I think the Tories are almost as useless as the rest of them. How exactly does that fit in with 'following their agenda'? For your own good you need to open your eyes to what is going on. Undying loyalty to one political party is one of the most ludicrous notions people can have - IMO. Let's look at the facts of this case. Massive yacht. One massively wealthy and no doubt dodgy Russian Oligarch. One massively wealthy and probably even more powerful Rothschild. One Tory MP. One Labour peer. And yet according to you this is 'Tory sleaze'????. Wake up and smell the ****ing coffee man !! No this is: Tory sleaze. Labour sleaze. World dynasty banking sleaze. House of Lords sleaze. Russian sleaze. The actual potential donation, IMO, is of little interest. The simple fact that these people are meeting at all is the far more interesting aspect. What do you think Mandelson, who was involved in setting Aluminium tariffs, was talking to the Russian Aluminium Billionaire about ?The weather ? How Alloa Athletic are doing this year ? Wake up !! Nearly all of them are 'at it'. Aluminium!! What do you think Brown and Darling were talking to Bank Heads about.Snooker? I love it when I get abuse rather than arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Aluminium!! What do you think Brown and Darling were talking to Bank Heads about.Snooker? I love it when I get abuse rather than arguement. No abuse intended. Simply pointing out I think you are na?ve to think what you do. I imagine most reading this thread thinks the same. So they were talking a about aluminium ? Yes I guessed that !! However this was on a private holiday. In a massive private yacht. Whilst being wined and dined. It was not an official meeting. You can't really compare this to Darling meeting Fred Goodwin in the cabinet room at #10 can you??????.. Honestly do you really think Labour can do no wrong ? Please just tell me a few things you think they have got seriously wrong. Otherwise there is not much point chatting with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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